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Galaxy S vs Droid Incredible

OKAY. here are picture comparison from the two phones...

Samsung
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HTC
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Samsung:
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HTC:
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Samsung:
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HTC:
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Samsung:
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HTC:
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Samsung:

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HTC:
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I wish I can show you more but this is what happened prematurely...

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those Dinc shots look terrible...My phone takes MUCH better pics than that. Im not sure whats going on there. The Galaxy S shots do look good.
 
birthofahero said:
those Dinc shots look terrible...My phone takes MUCH better pics than that. Im not sure whats going on there. The Galaxy S shots do look good.
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Are you referring to your photos as they appear on your phone or when you upload them on your computer?

I noticed that my dinc photos turn out looking worse than how they appear on my phone after I transfer them onto my laptop.
 
birthofahero said:
those Dinc shots look terrible...My phone takes MUCH better pics than that. Im not sure whats going on there. The Galaxy S shots do look good.
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This is my 3rd Incredible. They all take pictures like that. Both cameras are set on full automatic. I can produce the files so you can examine yourself. Nothing has been touched and EXIF data is intact w/ timestamp.

I carefully composed my shots to challenge the camera's meter. I knew the results before I even pressed the shutter. I've been saying all along. HTC has a problem with its camera software and it doesn't handle exposures properly even compared to a $60 cellphone.

Pink on green will kill most cellphone's meter.

The last rose picture kills every cellphone out there but the Galaxy S' meter was able to handle the highlights. Despite what some people say, I knew the Samsung was a better camera by just downloading the sample photos, measuring and pixel-peeping the files produced by this phone beforehand. I don't want to go into details but the HTC's incredible has a better physical lens on the phone. It also has a better focal length but the software sucks.

Taking the pictures myself only validated my original assumptions how much better the Samsung is.
The phone, in the hands of someone capable, can take good pictures stock (with no retouching). The samsung has no clipping, no burnt highlights, good tonal range. The software WORKS.


Now, also, consider this, if you don't have the Samsung pictures above side-by-side, the HTC takes decent photos for a cellphone. Just not good enough to be in the super-phone league.

When we get into video. The samsung rapes and owns both the EVO 4G and Incredible no matter how you slice it.
 
mrspeedmaster said:
I think I have enough play time to make a conclusion.

I've had my DINC since launch day. T

Here are the DINC advantages:
1) Optical trackpad
2) HTC Sense (if you like it)
3) Reliable GPS
4) Doesn't have the bad track record that Samsung has in terms of future & quicker upgrades

Besides the GPS issue on the Galaxy S phones (I've read enough posts/threads to know it is an issue), the Galaxy excels at everything else.

The Galaxy S does so many things so well, I am going to crown it the best multimedia PMP Android phone.
There are little things that make it stand out for me:

I like the 16gb internal storage. Along w/ 32GB. I have 48GB of storage.

God forbid, there are these white earbuds that I have that allow me to pause, skip tracks, answer phone calls and mute sound. I was surprise it worked on the S.
They work as well as the black in-ear noise cancelling buds that came with the Galaxy S. Doubletwist on the DINC with those white earbuds sometimes pause music but never answers a phone for me.
They also threw in a nice feature called 5.1 surround sound for the headphones. BTW, the media player has an option to broadcast to a bluetooth ADP2 car stereo with its new Bluetooth 3.0 chipset.


Someone mentioned that they don't care if the DINC CAN't play 720p files on the phone. That is great for him but I don't want to spend hours re-encoding a video I'll only watch once.
I also like the fact I can download 720p off youtube and play them right away even though my screen is 480p. I'll probably only watch it a few times then delete them. And while I'm on vacation taking videos with my dSLR, I can play those home videos I just shot right then and there.
I don't have to go to the hotel and handbrake those videos to play on the DINC.

Furthermore, I like the fact it streams 720p files from many websites that have mobile optimized HD playback for a hot-selling tablet. Some of these sites have shifted away from Flash and play video in HTML5 and the Galaxy plays them so well.
My company places all their instructional videos on a webserver and this is a good phone to recommend to fellow employees who want to watch those company broadcasts.
I don't even have to copy movies over to a microsdhc card. Everything plays in a cloud.

According to another poster, the DINC will have 720p video recording. Real 720p like the EVO 4G and like what I have now on my OTA leaked DINC.The 720p video that shoots at 10fps to 24 fps with real bad audio.
The Galaxy S shoots great video out of the box and there no "ifs, buts" excuses or false promises of rooted patches to make it work. It is also the only Android phone that shoots h.264. You should see the online petition EVO owners have; wishing they can record in h.264.


Some other notes on the Galaxy S:

1) 24 bit vis 16/18 bit display. It is evident when I put up test photos side-by-side.The screen just pops and is very accurate like the Droid X. No banding.
2) Amazing media players. I had more time to play with it
a) Video plays XVID/DIVX and some WMVs,AVIs. Most of my old divx movies played. There were a few exceptions but most played.
b) You can adjust color tempterature/tones during video playback.
c) You can play videos in a playlist. You can download a bunch of youtube music video and be video dj.

Rockplayer on the DINC is not even a contender.

3) Music player is best on Android. Period. Better than MixZing, better than Doubletwist,btunes.

All of the apps seem to mangle album art and corrupt playlist. This one doesn't have any of those problems. It is a fine piece of software that is to me, bug-free.
a)It has 5.1 surround sound.
b)It has an equalizer.
c)It has surround sound effects -stadium,hall,concert,etc.
d)has a visualizer.
e)Audio output is much clearer and accurate

Finally, Battery life:

The Galaxy's battery life is above average. I believe in the mfg's stated talk, usage time.
I played 2 movies 4 hours and was still at 50%. This is in line with the published specs 7.25 hour of continuous video.
Compared to the DINC. 45 minutes. I guess the video player on the DINC is not fully optimized or decompRessing everything in the CPU.

Now for more real world usage:

After a full charge on both. 8 AM.

30 mintues of GPS, 30 minutes of web surfing.
Background email, both have notifications and wifi on. I don't believe in turning things off. Phones shouldn't work that way.

I played streaming audio from the same source via wifi for 4 hours.
The DINC died in less than 6 hours of total use. DINC died on me at 2pm doing the same thing the Galaxy S was doing.

The Galaxy S is stil at 3/4 full and playing video in the background and photos. By 7pm, The Galaxy S still had a 60-70% charge

I believe I can get 2 full days out of the Galaxy for my use. I may need a top-it-off when I drive to work but that is about it.
I believe I can do this without task killers, shutting off wifi or background notifications.
This is something I've been so accustomed to and now expect from all new phones. The Incredible has horrible battery life.
Suggestions to kill tasks, disable this and that is futile and in my opinion. It shows the major deficiency of the device or badly written software.
I shouldn't have to disable facebook or twitter notifications.
Have in mind, my DINC has the OTA update that IMPROVED battery life. My phone is also rooted. There are no apps loaded or installed besides Astro, FCC speed test and some benchmark apps.

My daily usage requires continual email notifications and occasional SSH into some Unix servers. If this is the culprit for my battery life, then I don't know what to say.

So in this regards, the Galaxys S gets my attention.

Conclusion:

I like the optical trackpad on the DINC. GPS works and I assume there is a fix for the Galaxy.
The Galaxy S is the multimedia Android phone bar none. It does have issues; namely ATT an TouchWhiz.
Performance wise, I see no reason for anyone to upgrade. But if you are in the market for a new phone, I would seriously look at the Galaxy models.

I will try to upgrade to the Verizon version, the FASCINATE.

I will be posting some picture comparisons shots. The Camera on the Galaxy is good. The video recording is leaps and miles above the Incredible.
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mrspeedmaster said:
This is my 3rd Incredible. They all take pictures like that. Both cameras are set on full automatic. I can produce the files so you can examine yourself. Nothing has been touched and EXIF data is intact w/ timestamp.

I carefully composed my shots to challenge the camera's meter. I knew the results before I even pressed the shutter. I've been saying all along. HTC has a problem with its camera software and it doesn't handle exposures properly even compared to a $60 cellphone.

Pink on green will kill most cellphone's meter.

The last rose picture kills every cellphone out there but the Galaxy S' meter was able to handle the highlights. Despite what some people say, I knew the Samsung was a better camera by just downloading the sample photos, measuring and pixel-peeping the files produced by this phone beforehand. I don't want to go into details but the HTC's incredible has a better physical lens on the phone. It also has a better focal length but the software sucks.

Taking the pictures myself only validated my original assumptions how much better the Samsung is.
The phone, in the hands of someone capable, can take good pictures stock (with no retouching). The samsung has no clipping, no burnt highlights, good tonal range. The software WORKS.


Now, also, consider this, if you don't have the Samsung pictures above side-by-side, the HTC takes decent photos for a cellphone. Just not good enough to be in the super-phone league.

When we get into video. The samsung rapes and owns both the EVO 4G and Incredible no matter how you slice it.
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Could a software update correct this software problem? Maybe someone cooking up a rom to fix that? You sound much more educated than me when it comes to this stuff. The Galaxy's pictures look stunning. And I really like the picture of the stairs :) I knew there would be a day that the Dinc would be put to shame. I am just sad it came so early.
 
You know why this is, right? Samsung's GPU is the best on the market. Hell, their CPUs are pretty damn good too, although it's still a bit early to pit the Hummingbird against the new OMAP in the X. But TI's OMAP processors>>>> Qualcomm's crap like the Snapdragon.

If your decision is between the Incredible and any of the Galaxy S phones (every major carrier will have it, just renamed slightly) go for the Samsung, hands down. The screen, dedicated GPUs, build quality blow just about every other manufacturer out of the water.
 
adrynalyne said:
The Samsung has a larger stock battery...
1300 vs.1500...
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True but the Samsung phone is much, much lighter than the DINC and the screen is much bigger. The CPU chipset is also leaner 45nm vs 65nm.
It also has some aggressive power management features in the software.

Also, most consumers don't buy extra batteries unless the main battery is defective or the phone is really a poor energy performer.
 
I'm just saying, the Dinc would be a much better survivor in the battery life war if HTC hadn't included that piss ant of a battery and put a real one in.


Screen size doesn't matter. amoled/oled screens are not battery juicers.
 
mrspeedmaster said:
Taking the pictures myself only validated my original assumptions how much better the Samsung is.
The phone, in the hands of someone capable, can take good pictures stock (with no retouching). The samsung has no clipping, no burnt highlights, good tonal range. The software WORKS.
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yeah, i pretty much immediately noticed that the incredible takes much worse pictures than my old omnia did. i really did love the camera on that thing.

but the GPS on that phone sucked too. so apparently samsung makes awesome camera software for their phones - but they have problems with GPS.

i'm not happy about it, but given that choice, i'll take the awesome GPS and an average camera.
 
adrynalyne said:
I'm just saying, the Dinc would be a much better survivor in the battery life war if HTC hadn't included that piss ant of a battery and put a real one in.


Screen size doesn't matter. amoled/oled screens are not battery juicers.
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The best they could've done is the 1500mAh without seriously affecting the phone's thickness or general design. The 1500mAh wouldn't satisfy most complaining about the battery, so it's a moot point.
 
I got a $15 1500 mah that works wonders. I get over 24 hours of medium use which is amazing IMO.

AMOLED is a lot prettier than the LCD screens. Very happy to have it.

In addition, speedmasters battery tests are meaningless as there are a lot of variables and bias with little detail.

Could argue battery tests for a century.

I didn't read any of his review but I did catch the battery review as I was skimming this last page.

Both cameras have flaws - you can see the Galaxy S has a lot of DARK spots when focusing on something which is annoying. Couldn't see the brick background in the flower picture.

While the Incredible was over saturated with light and some accuracy problems.

Lesson: Get a real camera if quality really matters.
 
sabrewings said:
The best they could've done is the 1500mAh without seriously affecting the phone's thickness or general design. The 1500mAh wouldn't satisfy most complaining about the battery, so it's a moot point.
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Oh and a 1300mAh would be a smart choice then, because it doesn't matter?

I call BS. 1500 would get most folks to the end of the day without trouble, unlike now.
 
adrynalyne said:
Oh and a 1300mAh would be a smart choice then, because it doesn't matter?

I call BS. 1500 would get most folks to the end of the day without trouble, unlike now.
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I'm not saying it's cool they skimped on it, but I seriously doubt there would be any significant difference in the number of battery complaints if it had shipped with a 1500mAh.
 
You know, the OS could be a bit more efficient, couldn't it? If you have the OS running leaner, it could optimize battery life without changing a damn thing, hardware-wise. If all that crap bloatware could be done away with, task killers may be a bit more effective since those bloat programs wouldn't start back up again. Am I right?

So far Android has been about breaking down walls feature-wise. The next iteration after 2.2, or maybe 2.2 itself, will focus more on stability and the OS running, like I mentioned earlier, leaner.

I hate to bring the iPhone into this, but unless you download the internet on your iPhone, with moderate use (similar to the average Android user) you will get better battery life than most Android devices. Because the OS is geared towards being more efficient more so than tearing it up performance wise. Prius vs. 572 'vette. Kinda...
 
sabrewings said:
I'm not saying it's cool they skimped on it, but I seriously doubt there would be any significant difference in the number of battery complaints if it had shipped with a 1500mAh.
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Unless jamor who postd above somehow got a battery thats underated for 15 bucks, it makes a big difference.
 
adrynalyne said:
Unless jamor who postd above somehow got a battery thats underated for 15 bucks, it makes a big difference.
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Hard numbers matter to me. If an extra 15% capacity is a "big" difference, then sure.

Put it this way. If when your phone died it magically reset to 15%, then that's all the difference it would make. The rest is placebo, especially since Dustin verified the actual capacities of the OEM HTC batteries.
 
adrynalyne said:
Well, its your word vs. his, and he has one so....

*shrug*

Not my battle, or concern.
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If you're basing it off of his comment about "24 hours of medium use", I can go 24 hours with what I would call medium use as well. People who can't either wear their phones out hard core or have something wrong with their phone that causes it to drain.
 
I got 2 Hong Kong 1500 batteries and a battery charger and the difference in life between stock and the 1500 in large. I have been using my phone heavy on vacation and I always knew which battery was in based on life.

As for pictures, I went on vacation and posted pics on facebook and nobody could tell they came from my phone. YES, it is not as good as a real camera, but they came out better than those posted here. Much better.
 
FramCire said:
As for pictures, I went on vacation and posted pics on facebook and nobody could tell they came from my phone. YES, it is not as good as a real camera, but they came out better than those posted here. Much better.
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Facebook downsamples images. Would you care to share some of your photos? Three incredibles and they all exhibit major metering issues under challenging lighting situations. The stairway photo I did could not be properly exposed on the Incredible no matter how hard I tried. The background sky is what caused problems for the DINC.
Try taking a picture under a shade with dark and bright contrast spots. Use all three metering modes : spot,center,and average. I would like to see.
 
Here are some more images I took w/ the Galaxy. These images are processed a little bit with curve adjustments in Photoshop. I took the same photos on the Incredible but not could not reproduce the same tonal texture in Photoshop. The DINC images are too clipped to be fixed. These are Galaxy S photos:

They've been resized to .3 megapixel with 60% jpeg compression.


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jamor said:
Both cameras have flaws - you can see the Galaxy S has a lot of DARK spots when focusing on something which is annoying. Couldn't see the brick background in the flower picture.
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That picture is properly exposed on the Galaxy. The DINC is up by +2EV in software. I have no choice but to accept what is dictated to me by HTC. It arbitrarily decides to choose +2EV. BTW, I used a light meter when I shot the photos.
I measured it and can reproduce it in software.

The same "dark" picture, I added "+2EV" in Lightroom. I post process this picture, adding 2 stops of over-exposure to match the DINC's exposure and the result is this:

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I know it is a cellphone picture but the original photo is properly exposed.

BTW, if you like this over-exposure, the camera does + /- 2 in both direction on the screen. It is quick click/slider. Again, this is not an option on the DINC. Exposure compensation is built into the Galaxy.
It has very real camera features in the menu and advance options.

I chosed to take the picts in full automatic.

Original photo at NO EV compensation
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