inssane
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carynis1doll
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so much of this place is about the science bring it on yes I'm a Bible believing christian but I didnt even bring it up just science The Homosexual Brain "observing differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men does not tell us when these differences arose. It is quite possible that the INAH-3 in homosexual men started out the same size as the INAH-3 in heterosexual men and then became smaller due to their experienced sexual behaviors." talk about not understanding natural occurances the plane analogy is rediculousthe birds wouldnt fly. if you go back to other civilizations the timing is perfect when they got so "smart" hat everones truth was relevent the fell.
inssane
Android Expert
I understand what you mean. There is so much about sexuality we still don't understand - like S+M and major deviances, that your statement doesn't bring light to the issue for some.
People always need to see "more" and even so, they are still not convinced if it doesn't agree with what they see as "right".
carynis1doll
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how off is that comparison if something is ok to you why shouldnt that be ok for them. they feel (pedophilles) feel that thats just how they were born
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
Heh, we've all seen homosexual behavior with pets and other animals. There is no question about it being in "nature," and it seems silly to hear people talk as if human beings are not of nature in the first place.
Homosexuality does not have to be justified or investigated as to its legitimacy in the human element; they're here, they're some of your neighbors, co-workers and family members like it or not.
Leave them alone. They're fighting back. It's a shame that they have to fight for rights at all in a so-called free country, isn't it.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
The thing is, you ask any TRUE Christian, (which is hard to come by these days, most people are poseurs!) All of that is forbidden, and not acceptable under Christianity. I'm sorry, but a homosexual Christian is just contradictory. Christianity dictates you follow the bible, and divorce is also unacceptable.
And I posted this in another thread:
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inssane
Android Expert
Just because someone feels that way doesn't mean that they were actually born with it. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the genetic theory, but I am saying that what someone thinks is different from what actually happened.
A person could be born that way.
Contrast to this idea, someone could have suffered trauma at any stage of their life that affected their development. Nature versus Nurture. I believe in nature to an extent regarding psychological development, but I happen to be a huge proponent of "nurture" and the ideology behind development being directly and indirectly influenced by internal and external factors.
G.Armour
You know you want to.
No! No! No!!!!
Ok I argued against the gay thing but I am tolerant to that... Pediphiles in my book should be shot, hung, and burned to death!! I strongly believe that they don't even have the right to exist! I, as well as many parents out there, would do whatever it takes to make sure our kids will never experience anything from any of those sick people.. Even the gay community should back me on this... Don't come in here and try to justify them sick people! If you are, I think your just as sick or demented as them!
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inssane
Android Expert
Notice the strategic use of the word "dictate"...
Nothing will change the mind of a fundamentalist thinker, but like I said previously, and the idea mentioned by some and avoided by others, the Bible is interpreted. This is true on a personal and a Church to Church level in some cases.
How many different versions of the Bible are there?
Septuagint - 250 A.D. Written in Greek
Vulgate- 400 A.D. First version of the Bible which is canonized at the Council of Carthage in 400 A.D. Written in Latin
Luther's German Bible- 1534 A.D.
King James Version- 1611 A.D. This is the most widely used versions however it has large number of errors given that none of the writers had a decent understanding of Hebrew.
Revised Standard Version- 1952 A.D. Literal translation into American English which used the earliest possible text
New International Version- 1960's & 70's A.D. This is a very good contemporary English version
The Youngs Literal Translation is as close to the originals as you can get, translated by Robert Young in 1898 A.D.
Each one of these is written differently and elicits a different "interpretation" of "hard and fast" laws of the Bible.
The ironic part about the Bible is that we Catholics believe in the New and Old Testament. Jesus was Jewish and Judaism doesn't recognize the New Testament - in which Jesus was present...
Sorry if I sound rude, but chew on that for a while. It's logic, when you break it down so take the blinders off for a few paragraphs.
I am not asking you to agree with the gay marriage idea or homosexuality, just take a different view because if I were gay and reading this and the other thread, the way you word some of your posts comes off as rather hostile and offensive.
Edit - The reason that "true" Christians are hard to come by in your opinion, is because people figured out that not taking Biblical scriptures literally does not prevent them from believing in God.
inssane
Android Expert
Because I have studied Psychology and Therapy extensively, I will respond as such:
My gut agrees with the former portion of your thought process. However regarding defense of sickness, the truth of the matter (without defending the acts themselves) is that these people truly are sick and need help.
Majority of self admitted pedophiles typically have thoughts and "fantasies" without acting out - which is bad and good, with the good being that they don't act. Many don't understand why they have these thoughts and are repulsed at the notion that they are afflicted to begin with.
Like I said - I DO NOT defend the act or thoughts whatsoever, but it truly is like telling a person with alzheimers that they should be shot because they act crazy - they can't help certain aspects of their disorder.
Sorry to get so deep and "scholarly", lol, but I just wanted to provide a little insight.
hakr100
Android Expert
I'm not sure I understand why it is ironic that Jews don't recognize the New Testament even though Christians recognize the Old Testament.
inssane
Android Expert
Misunderstanding with "even though Christians recognize the Old Testament" I didn't mean that. I see it as ironic because they simply don't recognize the son of God and Catholics/Christians to, but Jesus was Jewish.
IDK - maybe it's just better sounding in my head, LOL. Like Jesus would be pissed that his own religion didn't believe in him even though he is the people's Savior.
Zenze
Well-Known Member
I admit I didn't read the whole thread but here is my take on it. I think its pretty simple...
Marriage is/should be a religious/church thing. So get it the heck out of our government!!! I believe in a strong separation of church and state.
If you want to keep a "marriage" type thing in government policy then call all of it a "civil union" and any couple can get it regardless of sexual orientation.
I don't see the negative to this... religion stays where it should be and everyone is equal under the law. If you want to get "married" under the eyes of god or whathaveyou you go to a church and its their decision as to whether or not they will do it. However all couples have the same legal status of "civil union" and all the benefits that go with it.
Marriage is/should be a religious/church thing. So get it the heck out of our government!!! I believe in a strong separation of church and state.
If you want to keep a "marriage" type thing in government policy then call all of it a "civil union" and any couple can get it regardless of sexual orientation.
I don't see the negative to this... religion stays where it should be and everyone is equal under the law. If you want to get "married" under the eyes of god or whathaveyou you go to a church and its their decision as to whether or not they will do it. However all couples have the same legal status of "civil union" and all the benefits that go with it.
hakr100
Android Expert
Why should Jews recognize someone Christians believe is the son of God, or the peoples' savior? I don't mean to be argumentative, or to in any way put down religious beliefs, but Christianity, like Judaism and like most other religions is built on faith. If you don't share a particular belief, you don't share a particular belief.
My investigations into religion tell me that Jesus was born Jewish, lived Jewish, and died Jewish, assuming there was such a being. Christianity was not something of Jesus' making, after all. It was a creation of those who followed some time later.
inssane
Android Expert
I just find it Comedically ironic, that's all.
gibbga
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Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
Thank you for that. It's what I stated earlier. Apparently, even that is not acceptable.
Basically, they don't want any kind of union between homosexuals, even if there's a rational way to do so that would give all of the same benefits that heterosexual couples enjoy. They do NOT want equal rights for all citizens, only for heterosexuals.
If marriage is religious, then it should NOT NOT NOT be in government! Separation of Church and State! Leave marriage to religious ceremonies done in whatever religion you're apart of and have "civil union" as part of the government.
G.Armour
You know you want to.
As long as it doesn't impose.. But actually I think they should just let everyone have equal everything regardless of race, creed, culture, religion, or sexual preference.
I been thinking about it, and a civil union would probably be the best way to solve the issue..
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I been thinking about it, and a civil union would probably be the best way to solve the issue..
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Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. lol If you're implying that homosexuals choose to be 2nd class citizens, it's a bit incorrect.
Vihzel
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IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Notice the strategic use of the word "dictate"...
Nothing will change the mind of a fundamentalist thinker, but like I said previously, and the idea mentioned by some and avoided by others, the Bible is interpreted. This is true on a personal and a Church to Church level in some cases.
How many different versions of the Bible are there?
Septuagint - 250 A.D. Written in Greek
Vulgate- 400 A.D. First version of the Bible which is canonized at the Council of Carthage in 400 A.D. Written in Latin
Luther's German Bible- 1534 A.D.
King James Version- 1611 A.D. This is the most widely used versions however it has large number of errors given that none of the writers had a decent understanding of Hebrew.
Revised Standard Version- 1952 A.D. Literal translation into American English which used the earliest possible text
New International Version- 1960's & 70's A.D. This is a very good contemporary English version
The Youngs Literal Translation is as close to the originals as you can get, translated by Robert Young in 1898 A.D.
Each one of these is written differently and elicits a different "interpretation" of "hard and fast" laws of the Bible.
The ironic part about the Bible is that we Catholics believe in the New and Old Testament. Jesus was Jewish and Judaism doesn't recognize the New Testament - in which Jesus was present...
Sorry if I sound rude, but chew on that for a while. It's logic, when you break it down so take the blinders off for a few paragraphs.
I am not asking you to agree with the gay marriage idea or homosexuality, just take a different view because if I were gay and reading this and the other thread, the way you word some of your posts comes off as rather hostile and offensive.
Edit - The reason that "true" Christians are hard to come by in your opinion, is because people figured out that not taking Biblical scriptures literally does not prevent them from believing in God.
Oh, so it's everyone's own personal distorted version of Christianity. Gotcha. Well guess what, that's still not a "true" Christian. It's like saying I'm muslim but don't believe in Allah. Just doesn't work. I suppose that's why Christianity is distorted into about 15 different flavors. Maybe they should make a new one, that allows homosexuality & divorce. After all, while all of the "Christian" religions are similar, they are not all the same.
Agreed.
inssane
Android Expert
How do you know that your view is right and the others aren't? How do you know that your view is not the distorted one? It's your interpretation - which is fine for you to live by.
I will again say that interpretation has nothing to do with believing in God or not. I went to a Catholic kindergarten, grade school, high school, and university so please don't tell me about Catholicism.
I have always believed that people who take the bible literally do so because they are unable and/or unwilling to apply the ideas and the general stories in the bible to their own lives.
Per Miriam-Webster:
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