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- Thread starter weaselboy
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Please visit the All Things Root subforum for all discussions of root-ing and the unsupported actives you might choose to undertake.
If you want to stay casually involved with the Bionic ... accept the updates. You are not saving anything by not updating them. In one case you have out of date copies of stuff you don;t want. In the other case you have updated copies of stuff you don;t want.
You can create an app folder called something other than All Apps that contains all the apps you care about. You can then navigate in that folder and the annoying apps will just not be listed.
Root-ing brings with it some really magnificent solutions to some problems and the unquestionable best backup/restore app available. It also removes some protections that keep you from shooting yourself in the foot.
Be prepared ... if you choose to root ... you will shoot yourself in the foot ... at least once ...
... Thom
If you want to stay casually involved with the Bionic ... accept the updates. You are not saving anything by not updating them. In one case you have out of date copies of stuff you don;t want. In the other case you have updated copies of stuff you don;t want.
You can create an app folder called something other than All Apps that contains all the apps you care about. You can then navigate in that folder and the annoying apps will just not be listed.
Root-ing brings with it some really magnificent solutions to some problems and the unquestionable best backup/restore app available. It also removes some protections that keep you from shooting yourself in the foot.
Be prepared ... if you choose to root ... you will shoot yourself in the foot ... at least once ...
... Thom
johnlgalt
Antidisestablishmentarian
Updating the app uses storage - the equivalent of HD space. Unless the app is running it will not use memory - the equivalent of RAM.
So, updating an app will only use memory if it is already using memory because it already runs now. Since ICS allows you to disable (aka freeze) most apps now, disable the ones you don't want running and they will not use memory.
So, updating an app will only use memory if it is already using memory because it already runs now. Since ICS allows you to disable (aka freeze) most apps now, disable the ones you don't want running and they will not use memory.
johnlgalt
Antidisestablishmentarian
It will use storage space not memory.
Memory is RAM - used by programs when running. Storage space is not RAM - it is always there even when the phone is turned off.
Please make the distinction, as calling storage space memory is too ambiguous and gives the wrong connotation in statements like "It uses too much memory".
Memory is RAM - used by programs when running. Storage space is not RAM - it is always there even when the phone is turned off.
Please make the distinction, as calling storage space memory is too ambiguous and gives the wrong connotation in statements like "It uses too much memory".
Isn't it going to just replace the previous version that was in storage with there being no increase in the among of storage space used ... at least after the first update?
... Thom
... Thom
There are numerous pros and cons associated with root-ing and they are discussed in ... Bionic - All Things Root - Android Forums.
Please move your root-related information, recommendations on root-required apps, and screen shots from root-required apps to ... Bionic - All Things Root - Android Forums.
... Thom
Please move your root-related information, recommendations on root-required apps, and screen shots from root-required apps to ... Bionic - All Things Root - Android Forums.
... Thom
johnlgalt
Antidisestablishmentarian
Good point, with system apps you do have a little bit of extra space taken up.
That info is relevant here b/c it's one way to reduce space taken up by the apps themselves. Also, it goes to show that additional space is taken when you update system apps, no matter what.
Hey guys,
It seems to me that the OP himself never really "opened the door" regarding root-related topics, so it's proper that it remains here in the non-root section for the time being. If the OP himself does broach or further the discussion about root-related activities, it would be proper to move this thread to the all-things-root sub-forum. But for now, it good here.
We need to respect the need to stay on-target with the primary gist of weaselboy's question / issue and since we now know that he's not rooted, we should concentrate on options and information regarding that. The contributions of root-related topics here is fine and most welcome as long as it doesn't stray too far off-topic with regard to the OP's original intention.
Thom's messages about trying to keep root-related discussions in the all-things-root sub-forum is simply trying to follow Phases mandate of keeping our rather large forum organized (an ongoing and often herculean task). Sometimes the topics in a thread make it difficult to decide where or if a thread should be moved (which is certainly the case here). Side-bar: I moved a bunch of threads way back when in the Atrix section because folks were talking about uninstalling system apps which I believed was a root-only activity--only to find out that this was a non-root feature of that particular device.
Thanks to all for their contributions and efforts to help the OP here.
Please let me know by PM if you have any questions.
Cheers!
It seems to me that the OP himself never really "opened the door" regarding root-related topics, so it's proper that it remains here in the non-root section for the time being. If the OP himself does broach or further the discussion about root-related activities, it would be proper to move this thread to the all-things-root sub-forum. But for now, it good here.
We need to respect the need to stay on-target with the primary gist of weaselboy's question / issue and since we now know that he's not rooted, we should concentrate on options and information regarding that. The contributions of root-related topics here is fine and most welcome as long as it doesn't stray too far off-topic with regard to the OP's original intention.
Thom's messages about trying to keep root-related discussions in the all-things-root sub-forum is simply trying to follow Phases mandate of keeping our rather large forum organized (an ongoing and often herculean task). Sometimes the topics in a thread make it difficult to decide where or if a thread should be moved (which is certainly the case here). Side-bar: I moved a bunch of threads way back when in the Atrix section because folks were talking about uninstalling system apps which I believed was a root-only activity--only to find out that this was a non-root feature of that particular device.
Thanks to all for their contributions and efforts to help the OP here.
Please let me know by PM if you have any questions.
Cheers!
I wasn't offended. I was following instructions. I think having a Root-related subforum in many cases misses the point. Perhaps the main forum should be "production" and there should be an "experimentation" subforum.
You elude to a course of action in your message and I believe that any time anyone suggests root-ing to anyone outside the root-related subforum there should be a warning in the message about the potential of shooting yourself in the foot.
Perhaps ICS having the ability to freeze apps (assuming the released ICS does) will go a long way in finally allowing people to gain control of these pre-installed apps without root-ing. (I hate football and the fact that I am forced to have a football app on my un-root-ed Bionic bothers me a lot and I try not to think about it.)
... Thom
Updated apps take up space in /data/app where third-party users apps from the Play Store and other app stores are also stored. The pre-installed apps in /system/app (usually; Amazon MP3 is in /system/apps) are read-only and cannot be over-written by the Play Store, so updated versions go into the same place as other third-party apps (as I said, this is /data/app) - unless they are moved to the media area, of course.
So, the pre-installed version of Gmail (for example) remains in /system/app/Gmail.apk, where it lies dormant, while the updated version gets installed (on my Moto phone) in /data/app/com.google.android.gm-1.apk and becomes the actively running app.
And, to answer the OP, I always update the apps, for a few major reasons:
- it's a lot easier to "update all" then to pick them out, one by one
- there is a possibility that the update is closing a security hole and I'd prefer that the update be made on the off-chance that the app gets started somehow.
- updates to the pre-installed apps really do not take up that much storage space. if you are already space-starved you may decide not to update them.
- it's a lot easier to "update all" then to pick them out, one by one
- there is a possibility that the update is closing a security hole and I'd prefer that the update be made on the off-chance that the app gets started somehow.
- updates to the pre-installed apps really do not take up that much storage space. if you are already space-starved you may decide not to update them.