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How do you think Steve Jobs will be remembered?

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Tried posting this on an Apple forum but the results were biased, so decided to try posting it here instead.

I wish the man no harm, but his LOA for health reasons made me think.... when Steve Jobs eventually passes away, how do you think he will be remembered?
 
I doubt hes gonna be passing anytime soon, but he will definately be remembered as one of the top innovators in mobile tech (i include laptops there as well). Anything that you bring with you seems to apples specialty. When he does eventually go, I feel his arrogance and stuff will be forgotten.
 
gallandof said:
I doubt hes gonna be passing anytime soon, but he will definately be remembered as one of the top innovators in mobile tech (i include laptops there as well). Anything that you bring with you seems to apples specialty. When he does eventually go, I feel his arrogance and stuff will be forgotten.
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I tend to agree with you. People tend to gloss over the negative parts of a person's personality after death and focus on the positive. Jobs is a brilliant innovator, amazing marketer and arrogant prick. When he's gone, the last part will be forgotten.
 
He will definitely be known as the man who saved Apple. He is one of the biggest faces in the tech world and in the world in general. For a lot of people, he's become a household name.
 
Steve Jobs founded Apple Computer, Inc. with Steve Wozniak. Woz built the Apple I, Jobs made it happen as a business.

About that same time, Bill Gates had ported Dartmouth BASIC and developed it for the Altair MIPS and founded Microsoft in Albuquerque. Gate & company then went on to attempt to make money off of that, but were promptly blown off and pirated, something Gates strongly objected to.

A few years later, Microsoft BASIC gained widespread adoption on the Apple ][+ and while also available on other machines from Commodore and Radio Shack, those went nowhere while the Apple skyrocketed.

It was the success of the Apple ][+ in the business world that prompted IBM'ers in Boca Raton, FL to come up with the IBM PC.

This gave Bill & company the basis to work further, leading to their development of PC-DOS and a port of Microsoft BASIC that would only work only on IBM machines due to a rom dependency and later to MS-DOS and another BASIC good for clones.

Meeting that onslaught, Jobs took Apple in another direction and came up with the Macintosh - and partnered with Lotus and Bill & company to bring that to the forefront.

Jobs did that by convincing Xerox execs to sell off the IP they were about to waste at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center - PARC.

PARC developed the windowing office paradigms we still use today and Jobs offered for the first time to the public on the Macintosh. (PARC also invented something called Ethernet to go with that system - perhaps you've heard of it. Apple introduced networking small computers as a built-in option on the Macs using a little thing called AppleTalk - even networked to the Apple LaserWriter, one of the first popularly available laser printers on the market. Perhaps some of you use a network to exchange documents and talk to a printer.) Gates learned those technologies while partnering at Apple - Apple fanatics still haven't gotten over this, but either way, that's a cold, historical fact.

Long ago, at the beginning of one year, a pundit asked if they would ever someday sell a million personal computers in total, worldwide, forever. He answered his own question as no, and the business community laughed it all off. At the end of that year, that same pundit manned up, ate a lot of crow, and gave the award for a million sold of a single model, the Commodore VIC-20, which sold 800,000 copies in 1982 alone.

In 1982, before many of you were born, Time shocked the nation by announcing that the 1982 Person of the Year was The Computer.

So - Jobs isn't the guy that saved Apple.

Of all those early companies, only one is still building personal computers - Apple. Only one company brought the windowing operating system to the market first - Apple. Only one company has cross-pollinated tech from first principles with Microsoft - Apple.

And all that was because of Steve Jobs.

So, you don't have to like the guy or his products, but neither should anyone say that after his death that his contributions to the computer industry will be overstated.

There is no telling where we'd be today had Jobs not had the vision he had.

You're all free to argue inevitable discovery and hypotheticals until the cows come home.

Won't change the fact that it was Jobs alone that made it happen and whom you have to thank for much of what many of you seem to love in personal electronics and computers today.

PS - if this history shocks you, learn all you can about the Atari machines - they were superior to the Apple in every way - except Jobs' business management.

/history lesson
 
haaha.. Atari 800 was my first machine lol

I agree with most all that you stated. Jobs did a job on the market.
Did you ever eat at Griffs? Griffs was far superior to McDonalds and in direct competition for the market of early fast food. They were out marketed. Remember betamax?? Same thing. It's foresight and clever marketing that Jobs will be remembered for. All but giving his macs to the school systems was by far one of the most clever investments Apple ever made. Though I haven't used any of their products.. I can't recall any "new coke" cooperate blunders. They have always had their stuff together. Hats off to them.
 
Don't recall Griffs - I was strictly a Big Boy and A&W stand boy back then. ;)

Owned a Betamax. :p

It's foresight and clever marketing that Jobs will be remembered for.
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While people hate him for it - he's always been a good showman.

The features shown below were seen first thanks to Steve Jobs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-XwPjn9YY

Here's Bill Gates and others speaking up in a rather fun way (trimmed).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVtxEA7AEHg

I can't recall any "new coke" cooperate blunders.
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Those blunders would include going from the first successfully all open platform for adding hardware to the hermetically-sealed Mac; Jobs drive to split the Apple ][ and Mac dev teams; (and funny you should mention the New Coke) the board decision to replace the CEO with the former CEO of Pepsi, John Sculley - the move that spelled the death of Apple from a host of even worse products, until Jobs returned and saved the company.
 
olbriar said:
It's foresight and clever marketing that Jobs will be remembered for.
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Well, by people like you, yes he'll be remembered for that.

But by the public at large, mostly (and often intentionally) ignorant of those "background details," he'll be remembered for the iPhone and the iPad, plain and simple. And I'm nearly certain that he would have it no other way.
 
Apple made a number of blunders. I can't come up with any right off the top of my head, but I do remember not too long ago that their stock was around $2 a share and people were sticking a fork in them. The company was all but dead. Jobs returns, moves the company away from computers and toward consumer electronics. He hits the jackpot with the iPod. Hits a jackpot again with the iPhone. His the jackpot again with the iPad. Apple stock (as of this posting) is trading at around $350 a share. Steve Jobs was the moving force behind all three of those devices.
 
I believe that's $350 after a split.

BTW - this revenue chart might be interesting, from http://seekingalpha.com/article/216448-apple-s-revenue-by-segment

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A.Nonymous said:
Steve Jobs was the moving force behind all three of those devices.
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That wouldn't have happened without the Mac, the other thing he was the driving force behind.

See above for list of blunders.
 
olbriar said:
haaha.. Atari 800 was my first machine lol

I agree with most all that you stated. Jobs did a job on the market.
Did you ever eat at Griffs? Griffs was far superior to McDonalds and in direct competition for the market of early fast food. They were out marketed. Remember betamax?? Same thing. It's foresight and clever marketing that Jobs will be remembered for. All but giving his macs to the school systems was by far one of the most clever investments Apple ever made. Though I haven't used any of their products.. I can't recall any "new coke" cooperate blunders. They have always had their stuff together. Hats off to them.
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I ate at a Griffs in Bossier City La when I was stationed at Barksdale AFB all the time. One of the greatest burger I ever had. Wish I had one close to where I live now.

On to steve jobs. He will be known as a great man and innovator and pitch man. He will also be know as the man to lock down a device so much that you cant do anything to customize it to your liking. He can be credited to starting a cult following for electronic devices. The famous fanboys lol.

Seriously though without this man apple would have either closed up shop or Microsoft would be owning them now.
 
Well often times those super successful types can tend to become a bit full of themselves. If you had earned a company billions of dollars... TWICE, you might start drinking your own koolaid as well.

While there is some debate as to whether or not he is cocky, arrogant and/or self centered... there is no debate that he is self confident. So let's just roll with that one for a minute. Now then the question is: was Steve Jobs successful because he's confident? Or is he confident because of his success?

If it's the latter, then you might just say he's earned the right.
 
Well, he's not dead yet and he's going to fight as hard as he can to give google a hard time until it is his time to go. Google will just have to deal with any setbacks (such as ipad2 vs xoom) and fight harder.
He's the one who took out Microsoft from the mobile space. Imagine a mobile web running IE and directx for 3D games instead of webkit and opengl. Bing would be the default search engine on everything. That could've happened if the iphone didn't knock the sails out of WinMo. From an Android POV, an mobile world dominated by Apple is much much better than a Microsoft dominated world.
 
Outlaw71 said:
Well often times those super successful types can tend to become a bit full of themselves. If you had earned a company billions of dollars... TWICE, you might start drinking your own koolaid as well.

While there is some debate as to whether or not he is cocky, arrogant and/or self centered... there is no debate that he is self confident. So let's just roll with that one for a minute. Now then the question is: was Steve Jobs successful because he's confident? Or is he confident because of his success?

If it's the latter, then you might just say he's earned the right.
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Everything I've read about Jobs seems to indicate that he is an arrogant prick but people work with him and put up with him because he is incredibly brilliant and incredibly succesful. From what I've heard, if he wasn't so brilliant and successful, people wouldn't have much to do with him because of his arrogance.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Everything I've read about Jobs seems to indicate that he is an arrogant prick but people work with him and put up with him because he is incredibly brilliant and incredibly succesful. From what I've heard, if he wasn't so brilliant and successful, people wouldn't have much to do with him because of his arrogance.
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I WAS an apple product fan, but after seeing the pure arrogance of Steve Jobs, that alone was enough for me to never buy an apple product again.
Scott
 
A.Nonymous said:
From what I've heard, if he wasn't so brilliant and successful, people wouldn't have much to do with him because of his arrogance.
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Lol, well that could be said about a lot of people. I mean none of those people who wouldn't have anything to do with Steve Jobs if he wasn't a success, have anything what-so-ever to do with me. And I'm not an arrogant prick at all.


:D
 
Outlaw71 said:
Lol, well that could be said about a lot of people. I mean none of those people who wouldn't have anything to do with Steve Jobs if he wasn't a success, have anything what-so-ever to do with me. And I'm not an arrogant prick at all.


:D
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I won't even comment on the self assessment there.

Anyway, we all know people or have crossed paths with people who are arrogant pricks and are neither brilliant nor successful. These people usually wind up mired in menial jobs which they have no escape from because no one will tolerate their arrogance.
 
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