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How long will a mac last?

The 17 inches is for autocad and ssd is if, god forbid, I dropped it.:eek:
I didn't even know autocad ran on mac :/

I had always heard of it being used with PC. Then again I'm no expert so good luck either way.

*Edit*

And speaking from experience.. that mac is going to look like crap after a short bit of carrying it around.

I have never had a mac.. but, I have a PC I carried around a lot and took spectacular care of.. Mac's heat up worse than PC's...

The mac constantly heating up and cooling down is going to weaken the plastic considerably.. From there moving is so much is going to cause it to actually break..

Not trying to make this mac vs pc.. but, I7 macs are known for being hot.. I only mention my pc because of personal experience with a warm running device and why it got tore up. The pc still runs it still functions well enough.. but, it sits on a desk now to prevent it from being completely destroyed.
 
I didn't even know autocad ran on mac :/

I had always heard of it being used with PC. Then again I'm no expert so good luck either way.

Autodesk just announced a native Mac version and it's going to cost more than the laptop.
 
3k for a laptop thats going to write papers, listen to mp3's and steal the occasional movie or dabble in some pRon???

are u going to school for film editing or music developement??

why the need for such an expensive setup?
are you aware that if u do indeed get this sweet awsome-o expensive laptop, thieves will have an eye out? you know? plus beer will be spilled on it and college dorm rooms are a haven for the word BROKEN

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It's for autocad. And as for the beer and theives it's not like I'm going to leave it in the open while there's a party going on.

btw porn in college? lmao
There are no guarantees. It could last 10 years or two months. On average a Mac is in service longer than a PC, but costs more. If I say you could expect a good 4 years of service from a Macbook Pro and it fails or becomes obsolete or orphaned after 2, does that provide you any comfort or recourse?

Your premise for asking was the necessity of having a working computer for a four year time frame on a budget of $3,000+. It would naturally imply that you are open to more economical alternatives.

Now I have a few questions for you.

If you have already decided that the Macbook Pro is the way to go, then why ask the question unless you are trying to justify the expense, either to yourself or to someone else who will funding the purchase?

Why have you limited your needs to only Apple products? There are plenty of legitimate reasons to do so, I am just interested in yours.

Why is it necessary to have a single machine for the duration of your education?

What are your current needs and projected (three years from now) needs for this computer?

What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?

1. I haven't decided yet, that is why I'm asking.
2. The only apple product I've ever had was an iPod. I've always seen Macs for designing and again I'm using it for AutoCAD. PCs, for me, have always ****ed up after a year (Ex:BSOD) and the batteries deteriorated a lot faster(Compared to my Uncle's son's Mac which is a year old and still last a lot longer. Macs can do another thing, use Windows as well as OSX(WITHOUT hacking)
3. I see it as a car, if I keep buying a new one every year, that will just be a waste of money.
4. Probably going to be the same as freshman year, AutoCAD. That and no crashes.
5. Someone already answered :(

I didn't even know autocad ran on mac :/

I had always heard of it being used with PC. Then again I'm no expert so good luck either way.

*Edit*

And speaking from experience.. that mac is going to look like crap after a short bit of carrying it around.

I have never had a mac.. but, I have a PC I carried around a lot and took spectacular care of.. Mac's heat up worse than PC's...

The mac constantly heating up and cooling down is going to weaken the plastic considerably.. From there moving is so much is going to cause it to actually break..

Not trying to make this mac vs pc.. but, I7 macs are known for being hot.. I only mention my pc because of personal experience with a warm running device and why it got tore up. The pc still runs it still functions well enough.. but, it sits on a desk now to prevent it from being completely destroyed.

It's the other way around for me PCs got hot on my lap using it for 30min-1hr after about 6 months-1 year. I used my uncle's son's mac and it only got warm after about 2-3hrs. They just made AutoCAD for Mac and if I don't like it I can use bootcamp.

Jesus u guys made me write an essay right here...
 
It's the other way around for me PCs got hot on my lap using it for 30min-1hr after about 6 months-1 year. I used my uncle's son's mac and it only got warm after about 2-3hrs. They just made AutoCAD for Mac and if I don't like it I can use bootcamp.

Jesus u guys made me write an essay right here...
Look man. I'm a comp sci major :/

I'm a major comp enthusiast as well, built my own rig and pay close attention to the details.

First the question is what are you doing on your uncles mac?

Seeing as autocad has just been announced, I'm asumming its NOT autocad.

I'm not saying macs are completely worthless.. But, i am saying that, I do have *some* idea of what I'm talking about.

Core i7 hits 100C on MacBook Pro, aluminum shell to blame? - TechSpot News

It *will* be an issue for you.

And no offense man.. but, be very careful. If you want mac help, or people to make you feel good about the decision to buy a mac go to mac forums.

I don't support windows. I don't support apple or osx. I don't support linux.

I support the best *product*. And right now, its not apple. If you have pc problems, learn to fix a pc.

Your hellbent in the belief you will be happy with a mac, and hell you may be.. But, from what I am getting right now.. it seems like you want a mac just to have a mac.. not because, it is the better product for you.
 
... as for the beer and theives it's not like I'm going to leave it in the open while there's a party going on.

Oh, the naivety of youth.

3. I see it as a car, if I keep buying a new one every year, that will just be a waste of money.

No, think of it as buying 3 $15,000 cars instead of one $45,000 car.

4. Probably going to be the same as freshman year, AutoCAD. That and no crashes.

AutoCad is a beast of an app. You'll need every cycle of that processor, but don't expect *no* crashes. First, Macs crash. Not as frequently as PC's, but more catastrophically. Second, this is the first release of AutoCad for Mac after a 20 year hiatus, so it's basically version 1. There are bound to be bugs.


They just made AutoCAD for Mac and if I don't like it I can use bootcamp.

um, no. You can't run the native Mac version of AutoCad in Windows. You'd have to by another license.
 
They are pretty well made, a lot easier to maintain and hold their value well. If any laptop will last, it's gonna be a Macbook

hell yes. i am a computer RUINER. just ask my family...any desktop/laptop that has ever entered our home I have destroyed one way or another....i've had a MacBook pro for over a year and have never ever ever had a problem with it.

this macbook has proven unbreakable by me &that says a LOT hahaha
 
Universities tend to frown upon pirated software being used on their networks. Most find it to be grounds for expulsion.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I am only commenting that he said "don't ask how I'm going to get it" and that indicates to me piracy. If he was getting it through the school coulda just said "through the school".
I will say that it probably depends on what school your going to as to how much they care.
 
I suppose we can only hope that since the OP is going to be majoring in some sort of engineering or technical degree apparently, he'll take some classes and learn about the proper value of anecdotal evidence and statistical anomalies.

ie:

hypothesis - nissans are reliable cars
anecdotal evidence - both nissans I've owned had catastrophic failures before 150k
conclusions - nissans are shitty cars. buy a ford instead. I've never had a failure in a ford.

see what I did there?

for what its worth, i graduated in engineering 6 months ago. macs were all the rage, but tablets (real tablets, not the ipad) were getting more and more popular.
 
Well, I guess if I'm going to get flamed for this topic I'll get a PC :rolleyes:

/thread


Look I don't know if you saying you will get a PC is sarcasm or not.

You have the right to get *WHATEVER* you want to, it is YOUR money.

I am the biggest support of people's right to spend money on the product they want to get.

However, you have to understand macs are a luxury product. You need a product you can utilize.

Sure designer boots are nice.. but, they also cost 200$ and don't provide the same functionality as work boots..

You want the mac? don't let me or anyone else here stop you. At least be honest with yourself and acknowledge that *SOME* of the people here do have some merit to what they are talking about. Some of us really do have better arguments than "EVERYONE HAS A PC, ITS OBVIOUSLY BETTER!" and we actually have a bit of logic to it too..

If you really want a mac go to the mac forums, they will make you feel good about your purchase... but, I'm not here to give antyhing but, honest truth, and try to be unbiased as possible about it.

Do I hate apple? yes.. why? people are so anxious to love them, they let down their gaurd and quit making rational decisions.

Any thing I critisize on apple, I have no problem critisizing windows/android for if I find they are doing the same crap :/
 
However, you have to understand macs are a luxury product. You need a product you can utilize.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Macs certainly are premium products, but they offer additional value for added expense, which to me, precludes them from being a 'luxury' item. A luxury would be something that added status or style with no additional functionality ... like a diamond encrusted iPhone.

By limiting the product line to a few models they can focus on build quality and for the most part, Macbooks exceed that of many PC laptops. It is certainly possible to find a PC laptop of similar or better quality and it's possible to achieve the same level of functionality in a computer for much less, but that takes work and knowledge, given the vast array of PC makes and models on the market.

In Vinsanity93's case, I think a Macbook Pro might be a good option for running AutoCad -- a program that begs a workstation class machine -- if a laptop is necessary for his class requirements. If the university will support it, he might find it less of a distraction than worrying about replacing his machine in 2 years.

I am not a fan of Apple products. I think the premium price is not completely warranted for what I do, and while they may be less problematic than other brands, when problems do arise, resolution is often Machiavellian in it's complexity. At least, that's been my experience.


Do I hate apple? yes.. why? people are so anxious to love them, they let down their gaurd and quit making rational decisions.

I'm not sure why anyone "hates" a corporate entity that produces a product unless it's something that impacts them negatively and personally (like how shrimp fisherman in the Gulf feel about BP). Unfortunately openly expressed "hate" tends to undermine credibility. Just saying.
 
I am going to respectfully disagree with you. Macs certainly are premium products, but they offer additional value for added expense, which to me, precludes them from being a 'luxury' item. A luxury would be something that added status or style with no additional functionality ... like a diamond encrusted iPhone.
In the case of needing a functional device, I fail to see what the mac offers him that a regular PC with the same specs would be incapable of offering.

You yourself were talking about the possibility (and decent one at that) that autocad would not run as well on a mac as a pc due to it being the first autocad on mac in quite some time.

In this case I fail to see how the mac is anything other than a luxury item. I have never heard anyone really talk on a serious level about what mac offers over pc besides prestige. My professor with a PH.D has one and brings it to class.. It is great for presentation purposes utilizing multiple workspaces so he can seamlessly switch between multiple screens for demonstration purposes. He says there are more refined tools for working in unix on mac which I take his word for. However, none of that is really relevant to what is better suited for this guys situation.


By limiting the product line to a few models they can focus on build quality and for the most part, Macbooks exceed that of many PC laptops. It is certainly possible to find a PC laptop of similar or better quality and it's possible to achieve the same level of functionality in a computer for much less, but that takes work and knowledge, given the vast array of PC makes and models on the market.
Errr.. the problem I have with this is how are we defining functionality? Autocad? If autocad is the primary focus according to your assertion which I agree with, a pc would be better suited.

As to the quality of pc, yes you are right some manufacturers are crap, some are better than others. however, this also raises the point that if something goes wrong with a mac, your SOL for help if you don't want to deal with apple. And there are just as many horror stories about apple as there are dell. (Well maybe more dell.. but, my point is macs are not flawless and they can be expensive to repair *if* you need to.. and the quality of mac can be argued all day long)


In Vinsanity93's case, I think a Macbook Pro might be a good option for running AutoCad -- a program that begs a workstation class machine -- if a laptop is necessary for his class requirements. If the university will support it, he might find it less of a distraction than worrying about replacing his machine in 2 years.
Again don't we run into the problem of autocad being at the moment unreleased and potentially buggy on release?
I am not a fan of Apple products. I think the premium price is not completely warranted for what I do, and while they may be less problematic than other brands, when problems do arise, resolution is often Machiavellian in it's complexity. At least, that's been my experience.
Well here we do agree. I personally have never found apple products any "easier" to use as many people claim. I have only found that you can't do certain things.. and for some people that makes it easier.. Having limited options means they don't get bogged down.. that is fine.. against my philosophy on eletronics though.

I'm not sure why anyone "hates" a corporate entity that produces a product unless it's something that impacts them negatively and personally (like how shrimp fisherman in the Gulf feel about BP). Unfortunately openly expressed "hate" tends to undermine credibility. Just saying.
At least I can admit hatred openly.

Do you know how tired I am of people being in love with apple/mac products for no logical reason? (and don't think this is exclusive to apple.. however, lately apple makes a pretty good example of it)

Marking towards people's ego is both a brilliant and a disgusting tactic all at once. And no company does it better.
 
In the case of needing a functional device, I fail to see what the mac offers him that a regular PC with the same specs would be incapable of offering.

Probably not much, but let's look at some of the tangible qualities based on what I think are comparable machines. The Lenovo ThinkPad series is generally considered to be a high quality rugged line of portables coming from an IBM industrial background, and I believe, has continued the tradition. The W701 model is similarly spec'ed to the MBP, the major differences other than brand is the MPB is lighter with a longer battery life. Also the MBP base model has a larger, faster disk drive. The GPU in the Lenovo is faster, which is an issue with AutoCad. And the MBP only comes with a glossy screen. This could be an issue. Glossy screens are great for viewing media, but not so much in a work environment. However the MBP base model has twice the RAM of the base model of the Lenovo (4GB vs. 2 GB) granted this is a fairly simple upgrade but it adds to the cost. Speaking of cost, and this surprised me, the MBP is $200 cheaper. One other point is while this doesn't directly effect the functionality, the Lenovo machine is fugly compared to the Apple styling. It does make a difference when choosing something you intend to be looking at for several years.

You yourself were talking about the possibility (and decent one at that) that autocad would not run as well on a mac as a pc due to it being the first autocad on mac in quite some time.

I did indeed. And truthfully it's a consideration when choosing. But without researching the issues that exist between a new native Mac version and a Mature Windows version, I couldn't say if it was a deal breaker. I do know that AutoDesk has a stellar support record and would be shocked if they released any version of their flagship product that was buggy enough to impact a production environment. Still it is a consideration.

... multiple workspaces so he can seamlessly switch between multiple screens for demonstration purposes. He says there are more refined tools for working in unix on mac which I take his word for. However, none of that is really relevant to what is better suited for this guys situation.

Multiple workspaces are available on PCs too, but MS doesn't implement it by default because they've determined that it isn't an overwhelming customer desired feature. OS X is a true UNIX variant and since AutoCad grew up on Unix workstations, they have a great deal of experience with it, leading me to believe OS X is a well suited OS for that application. Again without the technical information, I can't say for sure, but it is another consideration.

Errr.. the problem I have with this is how are we defining functionality? Autocad? If autocad is the primary focus according to your assertion which I agree with, a pc would be better suited.

AutoCad begs a workstation-class machine if you intend to do anything significantly with it. Both seem to fit the bill accordingly. What would make one better suited over the other is much more about the class environment, network support at the University, support for printers and plotters and the ability to share in a mixed environment. I can't answer those questions and won't make assumptions based on personal biases. If there are no conflicts, I don't think you can claim one is better suited than the other.

And there are just as many horror stories about apple as there are dell.

Agreed. However Apple does have a very good support record. If it's a critical machine, I'd recommend the AppleCare option, or an extended warranty with on-site service for a PC.

Again don't we run into the problem of autocad being at the moment unreleased and potentially buggy on release?

It has been released and it's available now. There is a potential for version 1 issues, but see my comment about AutoDesk quality and support above.

At least I can admit hatred openly.

Do you know how tired I am of people being in love with apple/mac products for no logical reason?

Here's my biggest problem. Aren't they essentially the same thing? An irrational love for a product or brand is just as prejudicial as hate for the same thing? At the end of the day it's hard to argue that Apple Products ... the Macbook Pro specifically ... aren't nice machines.

FWIW, I probably wouldn't buy it either.
 
I'm planning a Macbook Pro 17" 2.8 GHz i7, 8GB RAM and 256 SSD for college. Its going to cost about $3,300 so I need it to last at least 4 years. My last laptop which wasn't a Mac only lasted about a year and a half. I've never really used a Mac so I don't really know what it's like compared to a PC.

Some questions...

Do you feel that 2.8Ghz is worth it? I'd recommend staying 2.5Ghz. There isn't that big of a difference to justify $400.

8GB RAM? What exactly are you going to be doing with 8GB RAM? 4GB is enough unless you plan to do some really intensive editing and multitasking a LOT.

Are you going to purchase the SSD from Apple? If so, DON'T. Apple's SSD is not considered to be one of the better ones out there (you have to do a lot of research into SSDs to really understand which ones are considered to be worthy) and way overpriced.
 
which system you talking about??????????? oooohh applies to BOTH!

Of course it applies to both. One should always take care of laptops. Keep them secure, not drop them, not spill drinks on them, etc. This is why I suggested that the OP should look at a Panasonic Toughbook. A robust laptop that will probably survive the abuses of college life.

BTW my current 3 year old Macbook Pro laptop, has so far managed to outlast any cheaper laptops that I've had. That been a HP Pavilion where the hinges broke after 1 year, and a Packard Bell Easynote where all the USB ports stopped working and the keyboard malfunctioned after 16 months of service. These where cheaper consumer grade laptops, not designed to survive travel and heavy use.
 
Asus, Toshiba Have Lowest Failure Rates, Says Study - Desktops and Notebooks from eWeek

Read that article if you want a tid bit on brands that last. As far as how long will it last? That varies from user to user. You could get a mac that is dead on arrival, or you could get one that will work for the next 20 years. It all varies. If we're talking about specs? Well...mac's are pretty short lived on when they are trumped by other hardware configurations. Actually just technology in general. So if you want something that is durable. I'd say go for Asus, I've had great experience with them. But if you like apple/os x, you can't go wrong with one of their notebooks. As long as you don't mind the price.
 
another consideration is the fact that after FOUR YEARS I'd be much, much, MUCH more worried about individual component failures (same components as any other machine....) than some mystical "unibody chassis" and it being able to withstand a 10 foot drop or whatever.

someone mentioned not getting the SSD from apple, thats the right choice. in fact you could probably save a *ton* just getting the barebones minimum ram and tiniest HD offered and replacing them yourself. The apple premium unfortunately applies to individual components as well.
 
I have a 17" powerbook that is nearly 7 years old now. It has been used pretty much everyday and banged about between home, office and various labs. It has lasted (apart from the battery obviously) but not without bent hinges, faulty catch, intermittent failure to charge, intermittent lines on screen, intermittent zero voltage on USB,... The casing is made of cheese and looked beaten-up after 5 minutes. It was dropped down a flight of stairs but worked after the cheese was straightened a bit to get the plugs in.

At the time purchased it was pretty much the only choice for a 17" portable that combined unix programming and the ability to work with Microsoft format files. It will be replaced when it fails but not with the current Apple equivalent because there are now cheaper alternatives that serve the software needs.
 
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