HTC EVO 3D LTE/WIMAX capabilities

[brownhornet]

Absolutely the lower cost from Sprint is more than enough to get me by. I have had no issues in 11 years where I live with Sprint service....its just as good as Verizon's here, and I can easily roam onto Verizon if need be.

Verizon 4G better than Sprint, sure you can say that off of speculation right now. But until more LTE phones come out, that is just a guess. Are these newer LTE phones going to have the same battery issues that the Thunderbolt has? How well are these other phones going to be at obtaining the so called "marketed" LTE speeds??

Sounds to me as someone else has said you are ready to jump over to Verizon regardless of 4G....and using unofficial numbers as a means of justifying it.

And sorry, one thing Sprint will undoubtedly win in my mind is Unlimited everything, data being a high priority....as LTE is fully rolled out that will evaporate quickly within Verizon.

You say this as if the Evo's battery isnt garbage with wimax turned on though. Its virtually impossible to leave wimax on all day and actually make it through the day without charging. The only difference with the TB is that Verizon/HTC was stupid enough to not include a built in toggle to enable/disable LTE like the Evo has to enable/disable wimax. And speaking of data, Sprint cant even offer decent 3G speeds anymore. There are a ton of threads here, xda and ppcgeeks and even Sprints own site of people complaining about how slow their data is now, myself included. If you're adding customers, ADD TOWERS TOO. It's like what good is unlimited data to me when my speeds are between 80-300 kb/s?

 

[brownhornet]

Those advantages actually do exist with Sprint though. If Sprint rolls out LTE on spectrum that they currently use for CDMA or iDEN, which is what is rumored to be happening, then it would compete with Verizon's LTE network.

True... but by the time this actually happens phones will probably be using 12 core chips.

 

[BlackDynamite]

Before you start making absolute statements such as, "Verizon has better service," you might want to make sure you're speaking for yourself. I know a shit ton of people who live in a major area who hate Verizon's service. I HATE Verizon's service. I can't even make a call half the time because there is no cell service even though the maps clearly show coverage.

I don't want to turn this into a Sprint versus Verizon thing, but I have to point out that Verizon has 3 times as many customers as Sprint. So I may not be speaking for everyone, but I am speaking for the majority when I say Verizon has better service.

 

[evotitans]

You say this as if the Evo's battery isnt garbage with wimax turned on though. Its virtually impossible to leave wimax on all day and actually make it through the day without charging. The only difference with the TB is that Verizon/HTC was stupid enough to not include a built in toggle to enable/disable LTE like the Evo has to enable/disable wimax. And speaking of data, Sprint cant even offer decent 3G speeds anymore. There are a ton of threads here, xda and ppcgeeks and even Sprints own site of people complaining about how slow their data is now, myself included. If you're adding customers, ADD TOWERS TOO. It's like what good is unlimited data to me when my speeds are between 80-300 kb/s?

Guess thats different in opinions. Mine main point was, for where I live, there is NO difference in service(3G only) between Sprint and Verizon.

And as far as the EVO battery goes, with 4G on, yes you wont last a day, at best I have seen 8 hr.s But the Thunderbolt is getting 4 with LTE, so double the speed, half the life?

Guess you have to pick which one is more important to you. Considering I hardly use 4G any way, as I dont need it for any practical uses....I can easily stick with Sprint.

When I do use it, I am more than fine with 4 down and 1 up for speeds.

 

[jdsingle]

I don't want to turn this into a Sprint versus Verizon thing, but I have to point out that Verizon has 3 times as many customers as Sprint. So I may not be speaking for everyone, but I am speaking for the majority when I say Verizon has better service.

You're the one that retorted. I just pointed out your use of an absolute statement that was wrong.

Guess thats different in opinions. Mine main point was, for where I live, there is NO difference in service(3G only) between Sprint and Verizon.

And as far as the EVO battery goes, with 4G on, yes you wont last a day, at best I have seen 8 hr.s But the Thunderbolt is getting 4 with LTE, so double the speed, half the life?

Guess you have to pick which one is more important to you. Considering I hardly use 4G any way, as I dont need it for any practical uses....I can easily stick with Sprint.

When I do use it, I am more than fine with 4 down and 1 up for speeds.

I guess I won't understand what people's fascinations are with having a phone that can do 20mbps download speeds.

 

[BlackDynamite]

Guess thats different in opinions. Mine main point was, for where I live, there is NO difference in service(3G only) between Sprint and Verizon.

And as far as the EVO battery goes, with 4G on, yes you wont last a day, at best I have seen 8 hr.s But the Thunderbolt is getting 4 with LTE, so double the speed, half the life?

Guess you have to pick which one is more important to you. Considering I hardly use 4G any way, as I dont need it for any practical uses....I can easily stick with Sprint.

When I do use it, I am more than fine with 4 down and 1 up for speeds.

It should also be pointed out that the Evo was only getting 4 hours with 4G on when it was first released. A few updates released later (and custom ROMs) have helped that. But early on, it was just as bad as the Thunderbolt on battery life.

 

[evotitans]

You're the one that retorted. I just pointed out your use of an absolute statement that was wrong.



I guess I won't understand what people's fascinations are with having a phone that can do 20mbps download speeds.

Lol it is all about MORE speed. Cause you know, you need that precious 5 seconds or so of your life.

Hey if I was on Verizon, I would probably have a Thunderbolt and be riding LTE, just for the fact I stick with HTC phones and Android. The 4hr battery life would be no issue to me, have work charger, car charger etc. accessable.


But in no way would I leave Sprint for Verizon just for speed....and I like having a lil more money in my bank account.

 

[crabjoe]

The reason that you are not getting the same speeds is because you are dealing with a phone that is about 1.5 years old now, hardware wise, compared to a phone that is about .3 months old hardware wise. Do you expect that with all your electrics? That a 1.5 year old pc is expected to match the latest and greatest pc?

What does age of equipment have to do with data speeds? I can tell you my 5 yo PC can download/upload a file as fast as my 1 year old PC. It's not age, it the technology that was built into it at the time and what's available today. Yes, my older PC has a wireless G and the newer one has wireless N, but it's only as fast as the weakest link.... My cable broadband connection, which happens to be way below what a wireless G card can handle. This is similar to WiMax....

Even is new phones came with WiMax 2 chipsets (which none happen to have), if the basestation is WiMax, it's not going to be any faster today, then it was yesterday.

 

[crabjoe]

LTE is in the 700mhz range which is always going to suck down power, it can not change subchannels like wimax, it can only increase power to save a connection. It is also using protocols that are about 10 years old now.

The faster the phone is, the more the battery life it sucks, which is why the placed a soft software cap on speeds with the htc evo, of 10mbps.

The biggest issues with lte is radio and tv interference, and then powerline fade, which has to be overcome with an increase in power.

There is really no way around this, they opted for a wide open 700mhz, they have to just increase power. Thank you cold war era broadcast systems.

What are you talking about with all this power increase crap? Power output from cell towers and handsets are regulated, so if 2 watts are allowed, you stuck at 2 watts.

This is one of the reasons WiMax has such poor building penetration. If Sprint/Clearwire or any carrier were allowed to just boost signal, they would have done it to fix holes in their coverage.

 

[jdsingle]

Lol it is all about MORE speed. Cause you know, you need that precious 5 seconds or so of your life.

Hey if I was on Verizon, I would probably have a Thunderbolt and be riding LTE, just for the fact I stick with HTC phones and Android. The 4hr battery life would be no issue to me, have work charger, car charger etc. accessable.

But in no way would I leave Sprint for Verizon just for speed....and I like having a lil more money in my bank account.

You'd think we are on crack around here with the Need for Speed.

Side note with regards to cost: it's going to end up being roughly $30 cheaper per month for us to be with Sprint. That's roughly $360 a year.

 

[RiverOfIce]

What does age of equipment have to do with data speeds? I can tell you my 5 yo PC can download/upload a file as fast as my 1 year old PC. .

LOL so your wifi b card goes as fast as your wireless n card?

Just trying to understand that.

If Sprint rolls out LTE on spectrum that they currently use for CDMA or iDEN, which is what is rumored to be happening, then it would compete with Verizon's LTE network.

Just like cdma? Right? Verizon cdma is just the same as sprints?

No, it would not. Verizon has a ton of money to dump into what ever it wants, sprint is truely limited on what it can do.

Let us look at this from just a cash flow issue.

Verizon in one corner- 15 billion in gross profit in 3 months. Total operating expenditure of 20 billion in 3 months. With zero long term debt.
Compared to

Sprint. Gross Profit 3.7 billion in 3 months. Total operating expenditures, 8 billion in operating expenditures. 20 billion in long term debt.

You are honestly saying that a company that has twice the operating structures and 5 times the captial is going to be equaled by a company that has massive long term debt? I love the world you live in.

If sprint use the cdma and iden network, you would still have the same problems as you have now. Sprint is not going to go out an buy the best equipment, because they can not afford to.

One of the major reasons that they went with wimax, is because partners fronted the 8.1 billion dollars in build out cost.

In the real world. A lte tower cost between 100,000 and 150,000 dollars per site. A wimax station cost about 10-15 thousands dollars.
Which do you think the cash strapped company is going to build out?

But once again, going to lte will not solve any problems with the build out. In fact, given that in cities 2.5ghz is the best spectrum to build out on, they should use that to build out lte in the cities.

 

[RiverOfIce]

What are you talking about with all this power increase crap? Power output from cell towers and handsets are regulated, so if 2 watts are allowed, you stuck at 2 watts. .

Well there is the rub, wimax in the htc evo 4g only sucks 340 m/watts. LTE sucks down 400-500 m/watts.

Wimax can turn off to 2 mwatts, lte cant.

You just dont google before you post do you?

 

[evotitans]

You'd think we are on crack around here with the Need for Speed.

Side note with regards to cost: it's going to end up being roughly $30 cheaper per month for us to be with Sprint. That's roughly $360 a year.

LOL yea this thread is an example of it. People are so worried about speed, that no matter how fast it is they will always want even faster.

Funny part is, that this thread is/was about the E3D "possibly" having LTE & WiMax capabilities....which for one we still have NO confirmation on.

Number 2 too that point, even if the E3D has an LTE radio(highly unlikely) people act as if LTE would be up and running months after, that is not the case.

In no way shape or form just because you buy an E3D this year, would it be obselete and useless by next year if Sprint decides LTE.

And even if Sprint decides to be LTE by late 2012/2013, wont most(Not saying all) customers be ready for a new LTE Evo at that time?

Inhonest opinions, how many on this board actually keep(Or plan on keeping) a phone for more than a year in this day and age???

 

[jdsingle]

Let us look at this from just a cash flow issue.

Verizon in one corner- 15 billion in gross profit in 3 months. Total operating expenditure of 20 billion in 3 months. With zero long term debt.
Compared to

Sprint. Gross Profit 3.7 billion in 3 months. Total operating expenditures, 8 billion in operating expenditures. 20 billion in long term debt.

You are honestly saying that a company that has twice the operating structures and 5 times the captial is going to be equaled by a company that has massive long term debt? I love the world you live in.

If sprint use the cdma and iden network, you would still have the same problems as you have now. Sprint is not going to go out an buy the best equipment, because they can not afford to.

One of the major reasons that they went with wimax, is because partners fronted the 8.1 billion dollars in build out cost.

In the real world. A lte tower cost between 100,000 and 150,000 dollars per site. A wimax station cost about 10-15 thousands dollars.
Which do you think the cash strapped company is going to build out?

But once again, going to lte will not solve any problems with the build out. In fact, given that in cities 2.5ghz is the best spectrum to build out on, they should use that to build out lte in the cities.

Don't even get into this. Arguing with this person on financial matters will get you no where. I've already gone through the financials and they won't listen. Read page 2 for confirmation.

LOL yea this thread is an example of it. People are so worried about speed, that no matter how fast it is they will always want even faster.

Funny part is, that this thread is/was about the E3D "possibly" having LTE & WiMax capabilities....which for one we still have NO confirmation on.

Number 2 too that point, even if the E3D has an LTE radio(highly unlikely) people act as if LTE would be up and running months after, that is not the case.

In no way shape or form just because you buy an E3D this year, would it be obselete and useless by next year if Sprint decides LTE.

And even if Sprint decides to be LTE by late 2012/2013, wont most(Not saying all) customers be ready for a new LTE Evo at that time?

Inhonest opinions, how many on this board actually keep(Or plan on keeping) a phone for more than a year in this day and age???

I specifically mentioned this earlier! LOL! At first, I will admit I was hoping for both. I then said in retrospect, LTE will not even be out by the time I am ready for a new phone.

Question for you guiz, will LTE send my textz faster than wimax? If so, I need LTE in my E3D

 

[BlackDynamite]

Just like cdma? Right? Verizon cdma is just the same as sprints?[/QUOTEJust stop right there...

Are you saying Sprint's CDMA network doesn't have coverage/penetration/etc that can compete with Verizon's LTE coverage/penetration/etc?

If Sprint rolls out LTE on spectrum that they currently use for CDMA or iDEN, which is what is rumored to be happening, then it will absolutely compete with Verizon's LTE.

None of those finances you posted even matter. Yes, the finances would be key if both were starting from scratch. But we're not talking about starting from scratch here.

Sprint is already doing a network optimization. It would not be a big deal to make LTE a part of that already planned project.

 

[evotitans]

Don't even get into this. Arguing with this person on financial matters will get you no where. I've already gone through the financials and they won't listen. Read page 2 for confirmation.



I specifically mentioned this earlier! LOL! At first, I will admit I was hoping for both. I then said in retrospect, LTE will not even be out by the time I am ready for a new phone.

Question for you guiz, will LTE send my textz faster than wimax? If so, I need LTE in my E3D

Since I am a gold member, I will be taking advantage of the Every year program for new phones, thats why it doesnt affect me too much.

I held out long with the HTC Touch(Original, not even Pro) in 07. Forgot that thing lasted me 2 years lol.

Went to the Palm Pre in 09, which I did love(the OS atleast)...but upon hearing of the EVO(Android) and the lack of any news from Palm...I jumped to the EVO in 10.

Sure enough I will be getting an E3D this year, unless drastic changes are made.....so I cant be in a minority that does this right????

Another benefit to staying with Sprint for so long, changing phones every year(Admittedly, I would be really upset if they did take this away from Gold members).

 

[lordofthereef]

WOW this thread blew up.

This whole time I thought we were more wondering why Sprint doesn't expand. I would be happy to even HEAR that Wimax is expanding someplace. Instead, we are inching close to a year after their major 4G handseet launch and my STATE (along with about 15 others) doesn't even have it yet. I think people would be happy (or at least content) with wimax IF THEY HAD IT.

I also thought this whole "Sprint going to LTE" debate started because it was a known fact Sprint was having issues with clear in rolling out more wimax service. Am I wrong in this thought?

 

[lordofthereef]

Another benefit to staying with Sprint for so long, changing phones every year(Admittedly, I would be really upset if they did take this away from Gold members).

I think the vast majority of Sprint's userbase has been screwed out of this deal...

 

[evotitans]

I think the vast majority of Sprint's userbase has been screwed out of this deal...

I feel your pain, I originally had to fight with Sprint because, I have had them for 11 years....but my main number now wasnt my original 6 years ago.

So they were only giving me time for my main number, even though I had a previous number that was active since 1999, there records didnt match up.

But I also think they will bring this option back, or do special promotions, advanced early upgrades for the other userbase. They would need some extra kicks to bring in even more new customers.

 

[jdsingle]

Since I am a gold member, I will be taking advantage of the Every year program for new phones, thats why it doesnt affect me too much.

I held out long with the HTC Touch(Original, not even Pro) in 07. Forgot that thing lasted me 2 years lol.

Went to the Palm Pre in 09, which I did love(the OS atleast)...but upon hearing of the EVO(Android) and the lack of any news from Palm...I jumped to the EVO in 10.

Sure enough I will be getting an E3D this year, unless drastic changes are made.....so I cant be in a minority that does this right????

Another benefit to staying with Sprint for so long, changing phones every year(Admittedly, I would be really upset if they did take this away from Gold members).

I think we'll be silver status if/when we switch over. It's cheaper for us to split the lines up then take all of them over at once because of our discount. I need a new phone every year! Been through a D1 & DInc in less than 10 months already.

WOW this thread blew up.

This whole time I thought we were more wondering why Sprint doesn't expand. I would be happy to even HEAR that Wimax is expanding someplace. Instead, we are inching close to a year after their major 4G handseet launch and my STATE (along with about 15 others) doesn't even have it yet. I think people would be happy (or at least content) with wimax IF THEY HAD IT.

I also thought this whole "Sprint going to LTE" debate started because it was a known fact Sprint was having issues with clear in rolling out more wimax service. Am I wrong in this thought?

This thread has seen just about every topic you can come up with. This is where it's at for us E3D people lol.

You are not wrong in your thoughts. Clearwire is not doing a good job at expanding coverage (according to BlackDynamite this is Sprint's fault). But, we just found out Verizon has agreed to adopt LTE for Sprint and help them roll it out. VZ is so nice.

 

[lordofthereef]

But I also think they will bring this option back, or do special promotions, advanced early upgrades for the other userbase. They would need some extra kicks to bring in even more new customers.

I think I am not the only one that feels that they are going to need to do SOMETHING. Again, I am happy with my service NOW, but am also trying to look ahead and see what companies are doing what. I can't stress enough that some of the pricing point changes other carriers have made makes Sprint's previously amazing deal, though still better, not stand out nearly as much as it once did.

 

[lordofthereef]

You are not wrong in your thoughts. Clearwire is not doing a good job at expanding coverage (according to BlackDynamite this is Sprint's fault). But, we just found out Verizon has agreed to adopt LTE for Sprint and help them roll it out. VZ is so nice.

I guess I just don't understand why there is this battle on whether LTE is better, worse, or the same as WiMax. I guess some people just like to defend what they think is best to the death, even though I don't really think there is anything to defend here.

 

[crabjoe]

Well there is the rub, wimax in the htc evo 4g only sucks 340 m/watts. LTE sucks down 400-500 m/watts.

Wimax can turn off to 2 mwatts, lte cant.

You just dont google before you post do you?

Why should I need to google how much each uses when both are capped by the government? If you want to make your point, why don't you just post a link showing what they use?

As for usability, based on what you're saying, I guess WiMax coverage will never be as good as LTE since it can't use the same amount of power as LTE at a given frequency. More power in a radio wave = better coverage.

Also, if either of these to technologies are using less then .6 watts, it should be a battery savings compared to just CDMA or GSM since both of these older techs use more power then what you're stating. I just don't see how less power is equating out to a faster battery drain when it's on.

Now point me to a source, since you're throwing numbers out insinuating they are available on google. In fact, all you had to do was point us to the source of your info, in the 1st place.

 

[lordofthereef]

Also, if either of these to technologies are using less then .6 watts, it should be a battery savings compared to just CDMA or GSM since both of these older techs use more power then what you're stating. I just don't see how less power is equating out to a faster battery drain when it's on.

I could be wrong here, but I would think the GSM and CDMA antennas would remain on in both scenarios so as to still receive calls, right? We are adding to that the LTE and Wimax antennas, are we not?

 

[RiverOfIce]

Why should I need to google how much each uses when both are capped by the government? If you want to make your point, why don't you just post a link showing what they use?

As for usability, based on what you're saying, I guess WiMax coverage will never be as good as LTE since it can't use the same amount of power as LTE at a given frequency. More power in a radio wave = better coverage.

Also, if either of these to technologies are using less then .6 watts, it should be a battery savings compared to just CDMA or GSM since both of these older techs use more power then what you're stating. I just don't see how less power is equating out to a faster battery drain when it's on.

Now point me to a source, since you're throwing numbers out insinuating they are available on google. In fact, all you had to do was point us to the source of your info, in the 1st place.

No phone can even begin to it 2-3watts, lol. I will give you a place to look. Get the fcc number of the devices that you want, then look up the watts used.

You dont need that much wattage at higher frequencies, because degradation is a lot less.