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HTC EVO 3D LTE/WIMAX capabilities

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jdsingle said:
You are not wrong in your thoughts. Clearwire is not doing a good job at expanding coverage (according to BlackDynamite this is Sprint's fault). But, we just found out Verizon has agreed to adopt LTE for Sprint and help them roll it out. VZ is so nice.
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It IS Sprint's fault. Are you telling me the Wimax expansion isn't related, in any way, to Sprint cutting off their funding?
 
BlackDynamite said:
It IS Sprint's fault. Are you telling me the Wimax expansion isn't related, in any way, to Sprint cutting off their funding?
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I never once said it isn't related. I told you, JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAJORITY STAKEHOLDER DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THE COMPANY. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this. When you want to go through the financial statements with me so I can explain everything to you let me know. Debating with you is like debating with a little kid. Everyone on here is getting tired of it.
 
Let me ask this. Does it matter who's fault it is? It could be my own mother's fault. At the end of the day, if we don't get the service we expect, we end up jumping ship, right?
 
evotitans said:
Inhonest opinions, how many on this board actually keep(Or plan on keeping) a phone for more than a year in this day and age???
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Me for one. I'm still using a Touch Pro 2, and would have still been on an original TP if it hadn't broken down seven times in a couple of months so that they finally just replaced it with the newer version.

I'm not a Gold member, and am not paying retail (-$75 I guess) for a new phone next Summer...unless they're willing to knock down the monthly bill because they're not subsidizing me like they are a new customer (or 2 year upgrader) :D
 
jdsingle said:
I never once said it isn't related. I told you, JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAJORITY STAKEHOLDER DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THE COMPANY. I don't know how many times I have to tell you this. When you want to go through the financial statements with me so I can explain everything to you let me know. Debating with you is like debating with a little kid. Everyone on here is getting tired of it.
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You're just wrong, that's all there is to it.

If I am the one making decisions at a company, even if I delegate that responsibility to someone else, then I am absolutely responsible for what that company does. Period.

Your argument that "Sprint could pull out of clearwire" doesn't hold water. Sure, if Sprint pulls out they won't be calling the shots anymore and therefore would not be responsible for any decisions made at that company. But that doesn't change the fact that over the last year Sprint could put in whatever management team they wanted, making whatever decisions Sprint wanted.
 
evotitans said:
LOL yea this thread is an example of it. People are so worried about speed, that no matter how fast it is they will always want even faster.

Funny part is, that this thread is/was about the E3D "possibly" having LTE & WiMax capabilities....which for one we still have NO confirmation on.

Number 2 too that point, even if the E3D has an LTE radio(highly unlikely) people act as if LTE would be up and running months after, that is not the case.

In no way shape or form just because you buy an E3D this year, would it be obselete and useless by next year if Sprint decides LTE.

And even if Sprint decides to be LTE by late 2012/2013, wont most(Not saying all) customers be ready for a new LTE Evo at that time?

Inhonest opinions, how many on this board actually keep(Or plan on keeping) a phone for more than a year in this day and age???
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Its funny how hypocritical people are being about speed now that the Evo isnt the fastest thing on the market anymore. But when it came out all you saw were speedtest threads and touts of how fast 4G was. Pretty comical. And why is the speed impressive? Its not just the speed thats impressive. Whats impressive is that I can hold a signal without it dropping as soon as I walk in my house. Or the fact that I can actually stream youtube or whatever other video site now without it buffering to hell. Lower ping, more stable, more reliable, better signal.
 
brownhornet said:
Its funny how hypocritical people are being about speed now that the Evo isnt the fastest thing on the market anymore. But when it came out all you saw were speedtest threads and touts of how fast 4G was. Pretty comical. And why is the speed impressive? Its not just the speed thats impressive. Whats impressive is that I can hold a signal without it dropping as soon as I walk in my house. Or the fact that I can actually stream youtube or whatever other video site now without it buffering to hell. Lower ping, more stable, more reliable, better signal.
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I am not sure this is hypocrisy. When it was the best, people were touting it as the best. Now that it's not, well, people can't be so proud of it anymore. It's kind of like buying a brand new BMW. You are pretty proud of and excited by it, right? 10 years later (and at the speed tech advances I think this is a fair comparison) you're no longer talking about it, but rather the next one (or the next 10!) Still, the issue is that the speed went to hell, and the network has all but stopped expanding its footprint. In short, there actually was something to brag about before.
 
brownhornet said:
Its funny how hypocritical people are being about speed now that the Evo isnt the fastest thing on the market anymore. But when it came out all you saw were speedtest threads and touts of how fast 4G was. Pretty comical. And why is the speed impressive? Its not just the speed thats impressive. Whats impressive is that I can hold a signal without it dropping as soon as I walk in my house. Or the fact that I can actually stream youtube or whatever other video site now without it buffering to hell. Lower ping, more stable, more reliable, better signal.
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Funny, in places that are fully built out, I can walk underground tunnels and still have signal, even after 3g cuts out. But of course if you are not happy with wimax or sprint, feel free to leave.
 
lordofthereef said:
I am not sure this is hypocrisy. When it was the best, people were touting it as the best. Now that it's not, well, people can't be so proud of it anymore. Still, the issue is that the speed went to hell, and the network has all but stopped expanding its footprint. In short, there actually was something to brag about before.
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They are still building out the network, could you offer proof they stopped, because I still have work orders.
 
RiverOfIce said:
They are still building out the network, could you offer proof they stopped, because I still have work orders.
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Pardon me. Let me clarify. I haven't seen their coverage map expand, at all, in the past 5-6 months. It's great that users with the service are getting BETTER service. That doesn't help the people hoping and waiting for it in their area.
 
lordofthereef said:
Pardon me. Let me clarify. I haven't seen their coverage map expand, at all, in the past 5-6 months. It's great that users with the service are getting BETTER service. That doesn't help the people hoping and waiting for it in their area.
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In the last 5-6 months they have turned on 14 cities. My god. 2 cities in the last month.
 
RiverOfIce said:
In the last 5-6 months they have turned on 14 cities. My god. 2 cities in the last month.
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Which? I haven't seen any states that didn't have it 5 months ago make it onto the map. THat is exactly what my personal issue is. We have state capitols with millions of residents that don't have it yet. IMO there is something wrong with that.
 
BlackDynamite said:
And when your car gets dirty, abandon it and buy a clean one...
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Which is what you have been saying about wimax for the last week. Sprint needs to abandon wimax.

The only thing that you will get with a lte buildout is sprint spending more money.

lordofthereef said:
Which? I haven't seen any states that didn't have it 5 months ago make it onto the map. THat is exactly what my personal issue is. We have state capitols with millions of residents that don't have it yet. IMO there is something wrong with that.
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I am sure that verizon has you covered, just spend the extra money and go with them.
 
BlackDynamite said:
You're just wrong, that's all there is to it.

If I am the one making decisions at a company, even if I delegate that responsibility to someone else, then I am absolutely responsible for what that company does. Period.

Your argument that "Sprint could pull out of clearwire" doesn't hold water. Sure, if Sprint pulls out they won't be calling the shots anymore and therefore would not be responsible for any decisions made at that company. But that doesn't change the fact that over the last year Sprint could put in whatever management team they wanted, making whatever decisions Sprint wanted.
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Do you even know what a peripheral investment is? Because that is exactly what clearwire is to Sprint. IT IS NOT at the basis of operations. I'm done debating this with you.
 
RiverOfIce said:
Which is what you have been saying about wimax for the last week. Sprint needs to abandon wimax.

The only thing that you will get with a lte buildout is sprint spending more money.
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Hey you're the one telling everyone to go to Verizon if they aren't satisfied in every imaginable way with Sprint...

An LTE buildout would insure that Sprint can get decent phones in the future without paying extra for a custom Wimax version. And that is in addition to all the benefits they would get by rolling out LTE on a spectrum that they currently have iDEN or CDMA on.
 
jdsingle said:
Do you even know what a peripheral investment is? Because that is exactly what clearwire is to Sprint. IT IS NOT at the basis of operations. I'm done debating this with you.
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So is it your contention that Sprint had absolutely no voice concerning anything at the operational level if they had wanted to have a more hands on approach?

This isn't a debate, so I'm glad you're done.

Just because Sprint chose to let Clearwire operate independently, doesn't mean Sprint isn't to blame if that decision turns out to be a bad decision.
 
BlackDynamite said:
Because if every carrier in the world goes with LTE, then HTC/Samsung/Motorola will not be making Wimax phones unless Sprint pays extra for a special design.
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LOL.

Really. Wimax hardware cost 3 times less then lte. Testing can be done more or less for free and automated.

HTC/Samsung/motorola will still have to produce wimax phones, because this year about a billion people will be covered by wimax.

Japan, S. korea, india, and china are all running with wimax. Your savings just will not happen. Wimax is not going anywhere.
 
RiverOfIce said:
LOL.

Really. Wimax hardware cost 3 times less then lte. Testing can be done more or less for free and automated.

HTC/Samsung/motorola will still have to produce wimax phones, because this year about a billion people will be covered by wimax.

Japan, S. korea, india, and china are all running with wimax. Your savings just will not happen. Wimax is not going anywhere.
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Please provide a link showing that a billion people are using Wimax phones. I am calling BS on that.

HTC/Samsung/Motorola don't give a crap who is using Wimax as a backhaul, or as a home ISP. They care about cell phones. When they look at Europe and every single carrier is on LTE and ordering LTE phones (which they will be within the next few years), and in the USA every carrier is on LTE, and in Canada, Australia, and so on, there is no way they will be making a Wimax phone for Sprint unless Sprint orders a special design made just for them. And Sprint will have to pay a premium for that.

You can deny it all you want, but we all saw it with CDMA. Even with Verizon on CDMA, and several carriers using CDMA throughout the world, Sprint still rarely got nice phones until well after AT&T- who themselves got them well after Europe. And the CDMA version was always more expensive than the GSM version.

Why do we even bother studying history if we don't learn from it? Apparently Verizon learned from it. Thankfully, all signs point to Sprint learning from it too.
 
Slick1020 said:
Let me sum it up right here. Wimax works on a higher frequency and it blows at penetrating buildings. LTE operates on a lower frequency thereby having the ability to penetrate buildings. If you work in a nice building with different levels or on a military installation don't expect to get WiMax indoors.
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LTe is planned for most of the world at greater than 2 Ghz range, with that said in the U.S. the 700 Mhz range is being utilized for LTe. You need to do some research on the difference in "penetration" of 700 Mhz & 2.5 Ghz, you will find the studies demonstrate; not much. Try not to take to heart marketing propaganda.

Hint: you can actually search this site and find citations from NASA and other reputable organizations.
 
BlackDynamite said:
It IS Sprint's fault. Are you telling me the Wimax expansion isn't related, in any way, to Sprint cutting off their funding?
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Sprint has legal and contractual restraints on it's 53.9% of the voting shares of Clearwire, see Clearwire's last annual report. Legally, Comcast, Google, Intel and others have minority rights. Clearwire's board is bound to look after all of CLWR shareholders, not Sprint's shareholders.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
Sprint has legal and contractual restraints on it's 53.9% of the voting shares of Clearwire, see Clearwire's last annual report. Legally, Comcast, Google, Intel and others have minority rights. Clearwire's board is bound to look after all of CLWR shareholders, not Sprint's shareholders.
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No, this person will not listen to anything anyone says. Would love to know where they got their BSBA or MBA from.
 
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