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I believe that marijuana should be legal (discussion)

Dark Jedi said:
People still smuggle alcohol or have you forgot moonshine? That's right you wouldnt know as it dont make the 6pm news.
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you know why it doesn't make the news? because it's such a small problem, no one even cares. Most people who make moonshine do it as a hobby and just give it to their buddies. When was the last time you went to a "moonshine dealer" instead of running to the liquor store?

Dark Jedi said:
Plus they will always be around as legal pot would be very weak and people would rather get the stronger stuff from the cartels. So they will still have a strong presence in the drug picture.

Don't care if its alcohol or drugs when you constantly use the item your body creates a tolerance to the item. So you have to do more to get your buzz. So the weak stuff the government would push would be fine for the recreational user bit for your more hardcore people the weak stuff just won't cut it.
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that's actually not accurate. for example look at the medicinal marijuana shops in california. They have MUCH stronger strands than most of the stuff you buy from your local dealer. When you have the freedom to cultivate without fear of criminal persecution, your resources are increased. And your second statement is false as well. I've been drinking beer for 10 years, and 7 or 8 beers still gets me drunk just like it did back then. Same goes for pot when I smoke it.
 
Dark Jedi said:
People still smuggle alcohol or have you forgot moonshine? That's right you wouldnt know as it dont make the 6pm news. Sure its not on the grand scale as back during prohibition. To drive the drug cartels out of business you would have to basically legalize every hard drug there is. They don't deal in one drug only.

Plus they will always be around as legal pot would be very weak and people would rather get the stronger stuff from the cartels. So they will still have a strong presence in the drug picture.

Don't care if its alcohol or drugs when you constantly use the item your body creates a tolerance to the item. So you have to do more to get your buzz. So the weak stuff the government would push would be fine for the recreational user bit for your more hardcore people the weak stuff just won't cut it.
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Kinda goes against your "nothing has changed" arguement...
 
shadowninty said:
Because it can affect others, and put a burden on healthcare..
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If that is your reasoning, should we not also prohibit tobacco and alcohol, regardless of how hard and costly it would be to enforce such prohibition? Oh wait, hordes of people already don't obey the marijuana prohibition and our tax dollars are being spent to prosecuted and overcrowd our jails and prisons with the small percentage of them that get caught.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
If that is your reasoning, should we not also prohibit tobacco and alcohol, regardless of how hard and costly it would be to enforce such prohibition? Oh wait, hordes of people already don't obey the marijuana prohibition and our tax dollars are being spent to prosecuted and overcrowd our jails and prisons with the small percentage of them that get caught.
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I think you are missing his point. AFAIK he is pro legalization. He is simply giving reasons that the gov't may use against legalizing. (correct me if I am wrong, please Shadow)

That said, the "we have plenty of other things killing Americans that are legal" isn't a very good approach to legalizing anything. We may have plenty of harmful things in society. That doesn't mean we need to add more.
 
lordofthereef said:
You/we are making the assumption that the government would even do this. They don't really regulate alcohol (in the sense that there are limits to the proof a company can produce). I don't think there is really any way to know, currently, what would be written into law regarding the potency of marijuana were it to be legalized.
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Wrong. In Utah alcohol content of beer is regulated.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
The government's reasons have been proven wrong in the 1920's.
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You are talking about taking a substance that was once legal and then making it illegal. Then made legal again.

Pot has always been illegal. so you cant use the 1920 prohibition.
 
nlsme said:
Sounds more like they regulate where it can be sold....
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You can buy beer in convenience and grocery stores all over the place. The limit in this case is 3.2% alcohol content, no higher. It is a joke and lots of people drive to Wyoming to get stronger beer.
 
Bob Maxey said:
You can buy beer in convenience and grocery stores all over the place. The limit in this case is 3.2% alcohol content, no higher. It is a joke and lots of people drive to Wyoming to get stronger beer.
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Can you not buy stronger beer at a liqour store?
 
nlsme said:
Can you not buy stronger beer at a liqour store?
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Stronger brews are available in Utah, but not in places where most people purchase their beer. So yes, you can get it but it is less convenient. Especially if you want beer on Sunday.

By the way, there is a plan floating about that would ban all beer sales in all Utah convenience stores. Not sure if that is a good idea or not. In my area, there is a huge grocery store across from a convenience store. Beer at the grocery is less than at the convenience store.
 
Dark Jedi said:
How can you control pot better? Anyone can grow it anywhere. So how do you keep John Q. Public from growing his own? Many criminals dont deal in one drug.
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I'm glad you pointed this out because this furthers our argument.

Why is it okay for people to make their own alcohol and not okay for people to grow their own pot (assuming pot was fully legal).

I see this argument time and time again yet the anti-marijuana protestors don't understand that this plays right into our hands.

You don't see people crying wolf that you can make your own alcohol. But when it's weed - oh no! the sky is falling!

Growing really good indoor hydroponic weed is expensive as hell, hard as hell, and time consuming as hell. I'd say it would be easier to make wine and beer than to make weed as good as the dispensary.

Thanks, Jedi.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Stronger brews are available in Utah, but not in places where most people purchase their beer. So yes, you can get it but it is less convenient. Especially if you want beer on Sunday.

By the way, there is a plan floating about that would ban all beer sales in all Utah convenience stores. Not sure if that is a good idea or not. In my area, there is a huge grocery store across from a convenience store. Beer at the grocery is less than at the convenience store.
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So it is more, them regulating where you can buy it, over them regulating the alcohol content the brewer can produce...
 
jamor said:
I'm glad you pointed this out because this furthers our argument.

Why is it okay for people to make their own alcohol and not okay for people to grow their own pot (assuming pot was fully legal).

I see this argument time and time again yet the anti-marijuana protestors don't understand that this plays right into our hands.

You don't see people crying wolf that you can make your own alcohol. But when it's weed - oh no! the sky is falling!

Growing really good indoor hydroponic weed is expensive as hell, hard as hell, and time consuming as hell. I'd say it would be easier to make wine and beer than to make weed as good as the dispensary.

Thanks, Jedi.
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It is not OK to make your own alcohol. Well, you can make beer and wine, but that is it. Growing pot is easy in the home garden. I know a little something about indoor plants and hydroponics. In my view, it is grown inside because growers want to keep it a secret and have no other choice but to use a more difficult growing process.

In the garden, it is a weed and it can easily be cultivated, even in Utah.

I do not want to make my own Scotch or gin, store bought is far better. MJ can sprout up anywhere, almost. Making good Scotch takes decades, good pot takes a half-way decent growing season.

I do not see the comparison as valid because most of us drinkers have no interest in brewing beer, purpling our feet in the grape crusher, or waiting until our children have children to enjoy a nice 60 year old single malt.

I suppose after MJ is legalized (and the new proposal does not legalize MJ in the way most people think, by the way) it will not be enough and people will want to grow Opium Poppies.
 
nlsme said:
So it is more, them regulating where you can buy it...
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Yes, it is regulated. Stronger stuff comes from Utah Liquor Stores, weaker stuff, everywhere else. And a possible ban of beer sales in Convenience stores, so it is all about regulation.

Although regulated, there is no shortage of beer in Utah and no shortage of places to purchase it. Just regulated and we take that serious.

If some had their way, there would be a total ban of all alcohol in Utah.

And we know how that worked out way back when.
 
Isnt congress about now made up of people from the hippie age and younger? So I am sure many had partaken in the weed. But still they wont legalize it. I have always wondered why. I have heard many a pot smoker say if I had the power I would legalize it. Well I am sure there are many in congress that has spoken those exact words. So why wont they do it?
 
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