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I think with ICS & LTE both hitting around the same time for Sprint that WiMax devices will take a backseat to the LTE phones. This does not surprise me. It's just how technology advances & businesses run.

~ ArmyX
 
I'm hard pressed to believe that they don't have sufficient staff to handle both the Network Vision upgrade as well as the ICS updates. I recall that the Epic Touch is on deck for their upgrade, so Sprint's not gone completely away on this. Then again - I don't work at Sprint, so don't take my word on that.

Also - the Sensation has already been upgraded to ICS - that roll-out began in March, it's just varying by carrier - so T-Mo waiting until 3 months later says something about T-Mo, not HTC.

I am hereby eating crow, however - I believe the fossil record here will show that I expected ICS by April - and unless April has more than 30 days this year, I think I got it wrong.

As always, I like my crow with a delicious, tangy Texas BBQ sauce. :)
 
I try not to say a "time" I expect it, but I'm guessing the end of May or early June.

My reasoning is that the Rezound was April to May "window" and the T-Mo Sensation is Mid-June. Makes me think the Evo3D will be in-between those two.

Who knows? Not me. I wish Sprint would tell us something. I am getting very minisculely slightly frustrated. Just give us a Quarter at least. Something, say something Sprint! lol :p

~ ArmyX
 
I look at it like this:

I can either have a working Evo 3D with Gingerbread now and for another month, maybe two. Or I could have a buggy ICS that is worse than GB because things don't work. And let's say that the bugs take 3-4 months to work out, because they have to keep retesting the updates over and over. As much as people are clamoring for ICS now, imagine how bad the feedback would be if they released a less-than-ready update? I can't imagine more than 50% of smartphone users are anxiously awaiting ICS. I bet it's actually more like 20%, but I'm not sure (95.32% of all statistics are made up on the spot, after all) so don't hold me to it. But let's just say it's 50/50. Now introduce a bad ICS update, now 80% of the people are upset that they have a buggy release. As most of those people are likely not rooted, there's no way of reverting back to Gingerbread to wait for the fixes.

Yes, the US is slow on getting updates. We also complain the most when we get bad updates. HTC and Sprint have to balance speed with quality, divide it all by the bottom line and multiply it by all of their devices that are eligible and weigh that against how many of their customers have device X, Y or Z and they want to satisfy them, first.

I bet it's similar to the LTE rollout. If you take a map of Sprint customers and put the first tier of LTE rollout cities, I bet the LTE dots sit over their larger concentration of customers. Here in the Baltimore area, I see Sprint stores all over the place. We have pretty good WiMAX service here. We were slid in at the last minute to get LTE in the first tier, as well.

So if you take that observation and apply it to even the Evo 3D vs the Epic 4G Touch, I bet more people bought the Epic 4G Touch, so Sprint probably wants to upgrade them before us.
 
Well, I also look at it in the way that Gingerbread is awesome. I love it. I mean, ICS is going to be great too but Gingerbread isn't doing me a disservice. It's not like Gingerbread isn't good enough or doesn't fulfill my needs. It's great! At the same time, I'm really looking forward to ICS still =)

~ ArmyX
 
This is from a PhoneDog article last week:
"It's not really a shock to hear that the Epic 4G Touch will be updated to Android 4.0, but it's still nice to get confirmation straight from the (horse's) carrier's mouth. As for which other devices will be getting upgrades to ICS, Sprint is apparently staying mum for now, but both HTC and Motorola have announced updates for some of their respective handsets on the Now Network: HTC says that the EVO 3D and EVO Design 4G will be receiving upgrades, while Motorola is aiming to update the Photon 4G in Q3. We'll keep our ears to the ground for more details on Sprint's ICS plans and pass along any new information as we get it."
Sprint says Ice Cream Sandwich is coming to Epic 4G Touch, "other key products" | PhoneDog

I know its taking a little while longer then we all would like, but to be honest, people were bound to complain no matter what. I don't see why anyone should dobut the Evo 3D getting ICS.
 
EarlyMon said:
Also - the Sensation has already been upgraded to ICS - that roll-out began in March, it's just varying by carrier - so T-Mo waiting until 3 months later says something about T-Mo, not HTC.
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From the article, "Last we heard, T-Mobile identified radio issues with the update and had sent it back to HTC to be fixed.", so that might be what caused the delay for T-Mo
 
So on tonight's Survivor they had their episode (like every season) where they get a phone from sprint to see messages from their loved ones on. Guess which phone sprint used? Yeah... still the 3d!

Its a sign!

Sarcastic. But hey, it's something.
 
FYI, there was a leaked version of the ICS firmware update for the HTC EVO 3D discovered today. Granted, it is geared for Virgin Mobile, but seeing how VM is a sub carrier of Sprint, it stands to reason that Sprint is going to be releasing ICS for the Evo 3D, it just leaked from the VM side first.
 
mak916 said:
If they have a Virgin Mobile version, what is taking so long for the Sprint version? Is there any difference between the two since Virgin Mobile is owned by Sprint?
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It is a leak, which means that it's in testing and somebody related to the testing decided to make a copy, bring it home, and send it to the community. It could be that this person is only involved with the VM side of the house and not Sprint.

Or it was leaked intentionally to get a broader span of free testers that would tear it apart and try to find the bugs. I saw that when the DX went from Froyo to GB. Every 2 weeks or so, we'd have a new 'leak' and things the community found just so happened to get fixed in the next leak :p
 
ArmageddonX said:
I try not to say a "time" I expect it, but I'm guessing the end of May or early June.

My reasoning is that the Rezound was April to May "window" and the T-Mo Sensation is Mid-June. Makes me think the Evo3D will be in-between those two.

Who knows? Not me. I wish Sprint would tell us something. I am getting very minisculely slightly frustrated. Just give us a Quarter at least. Something, say something Sprint! lol :p

~ ArmyX
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That would be good if we got it in May or June, but I'm afraid I'm not as optimistic as you are lol.

The previous posts about ICS taking a backseat to the release of the Evo 4G LTE and the overall release of LTE, and with both set to hit at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the 3D and other Wimax devices won't get ICS until around the end of Q2 at the earliest.

Nothing to base that on other then just a suspicion that since the 3D isn't a key device for Sprint anymore, and with several new devices launching over the next couple months as well as the rollout of LTE, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out that our ICS update gets pushed to the back of the line in terms of importance and we'll get it later rather then sooner.

So my honest prediction (having extremely low expectations) is the end of Q2 is the earliest we'll see it, and if it drags on then probably not till near the end of Q3.

I hope I'm wrong, but just my .02.
 
Bobby2478, I agree with you that I suspect the Evo3D is not a priority device for Sprint. They are focused like a laser-beam on the LTE phones because frankly it's pivotal to Sprint's future.

It could be worse though, at least we are guaranteed the update this year while some other devices will never be getting it. So, we might have to wait a little longer than some other phones but I am grateful we will be getting it in the first place.

The Evo3D did not do as well as it was expected to do. I don't think it did poorly, but I think Sprint was (foolishly) expecting another Evo4G phenomenon with the Evo3D. When they didn't get that effect, I suspect it was very disheartening for them. There are other threads for this discussion & how badly Sprint marketed the phone, so lets not get into that.

I only say that because how well the devices sell usually can pertain to how quickly they get updates. The devices that sell very well usually get updates more quickly. This is not always a rule however as the carrier & manufacturer can also play a large role in this process. See the Samsung Epic 4G or the Samsung Fascinate for a good example of that.

All-in-all, ICS is still coming to the Evo3D and with the leak of the Virgin Mobile version I think it'll be sooner rather than later. I could be wrong, but I really don't think we'll see ICS later than June. If we do, I will personally be upset at that point because in that hypothetical scenario we will have been told Q1, pushed to Q2, and then pushed to Q3. I don't mind waiting for a good update, but don't promise me one thing and do another.

ICS is still coming. =)

~ ArmyX
 
ArmageddonX said:
Bobby2478, I agree with you that I suspect the Evo3D is not a priority device for Sprint. They are focused like a laser-beam on the LTE phones because frankly it's pivotal to Sprint's future.

It could be worse though, at least we are guaranteed the update this year while some other devices will never be getting it. So, we might have to wait a little longer than some other phones but I am grateful we will be getting it in the first place.

The Evo3D did not do as well as it was expected to do. I don't think it did poorly, but I think Sprint was (foolishly) expecting another Evo4G phenomenon with the Evo3D. When they didn't get that effect, I suspect it was very disheartening for them. There are other threads for this discussion & how badly Sprint marketed the phone, so lets not get into that.

I only say that because how well the devices sell usually can pertain to how quickly they get updates. The devices that sell very well usually get updates more quickly. This is not always a rule however as the carrier & manufacturer can also play a large role in this process. See the Samsung Epic 4G or the Samsung Fascinate for a good example of that.

All-in-all, ICS is still coming to the Evo3D and with the leak of the Virgin Mobile version I think it'll be sooner rather than later. I could be wrong, but I really don't think we'll see ICS later than June. If we do, I will personally be upset at that point because in that hypothetical scenario we will have been told Q1, pushed to Q2, and then pushed to Q3. I don't mind waiting for a good update, but don't promise me one thing and do another.

ICS is still coming. =)

~ ArmyX
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I agree with everything you just said. The fact the 3D was such a disappointment to Sprint in terms of sales, I agree with you that update priority and resources in general tend to go first to where the most customers are. So if the 3D never sold as well as they wanted, and doesn't have a lot of subscribers, then when push comes to shove they will be further down the line as Sprint wants to kill the most birds with one stone so to speak, and make the most people happy in the smallest number of steps.

I hope you're right and that June is the late end of when we'll get the update, and as you point out that would already be at least 1 full quarter later then when it was initially promised. But being as it's already May and we don't even have a leaked Sprint version of this update yet, time is running out to be able to deliver a solid update with minimal bugs in just under 2 months if we are to truly get it by end of June.

I'm also hoping for a June release, however knowing this is such a big update (not simply an incremental update) and how much goes into making it work as smooth as possible without problems, I won't be shocked if it drags out into Q3 sometime.

So I'll be pleasantly surprised to see it by June (end of Q2), however with how this has been pushed back so far and seeing how this device never got much traction, I won't get my hopes of for Q2 and wouldn't be shocked if we don't see it until sometime in Q3.

Regardless, as you point out we are STILL getting ICS, that isn't in question. The only question is when.... :)
 
bobby2478 said:
I agree with everything you just said. The fact the 3D was such a disappointment to Sprint in terms of sales, I agree with you that update priority and resources in general tend to go first to where the most customers are. So if the 3D never sold as well as they wanted, and doesn't have a lot of subscribers, then when push comes to shove they will be further down the line as Sprint wants to kill the most birds with one stone so to speak, and make the most people happy in the smallest number of steps.

I hope you're right and that June is the late end of when we'll get the update, and as you point out that would already be at least 1 full quarter later then when it was initially promised. But being as it's already May and we don't even have a leaked Sprint version of this update yet, time is running out to be able to deliver a solid update with minimal bugs in just under 2 months if we are to truly get it by end of June.

I'm also hoping for a June release, however knowing this is such a big update (not simply an incremental update) and how much goes into making it work as smooth as possible without problems, I won't be shocked if it drags out into Q3 sometime.

So I'll be pleasantly surprised to see it by June (end of Q2), however with how this has been pushed back so far and seeing how this device never got much traction, I won't get my hopes of for Q2 and wouldn't be shocked if we don't see it until sometime in Q3.

Regardless, as you point out we are STILL getting ICS, that isn't in question. The only question is when.... :)
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ICS has leaked, roms are up and I have tested 2, 100% working for all i need so a true release should be soon
 
ICS for E3D is likely to be released in the last week of may, as announced by a French operator. See link below. Its GSM version only and not sure when the cdma version will see ICS.

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wake69 said:
ICS has leaked, roms are up and I have tested 2, 100% working for all i need so a true release should be soon
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Have these leaked ICS roms for the 3D been Sprint baked versions that are in a form close to what we'd actually get from Sprint? If so, then that would give me a little more hope for a release sooner rather then later.
 
bobby2478 said:
Have these leaked ICS roms for the 3D been Sprint baked versions that are in a form close to what we'd actually get from Sprint? If so, then that would give me a little more hope for a release sooner rather then later.
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It appears so. People are even reporting that WiMAX is working, as VM/Boost will be getting WiMAX. I plan on playing with a ROM or two tonight to see how everything is going. WiMAX hasn't worked on anything that wasn't based on a Sprint update in the Evo 3D ROM area, for an explanation of why that is important.
 
jerofld said:
It appears so. People are even reporting that WiMAX is working, as VM/Boost will be getting WiMAX. I plan on playing with a ROM or two tonight to see how everything is going. WiMAX hasn't worked on anything that wasn't based on a Sprint update in the Evo 3D ROM area, for an explanation of why that is important.
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Very interesting. I'd be interested to know if the 3D functionality appears to work on any of these ROMs, as well as if they include any of the pre-loaded Sprint junk that they inevitably throw onto our phones (such as Sprint Zone, Sprint TV & Movies, etc).

If so, then that would lead me to believe that these ROMs have come a long way from when next to nothing was working, that they are legit Sprint based ROMs, and that hopefully the final version is getting close!
 
bobby2478 said:
Very interesting. I'd be interested to know if the 3D functionality appears to work on any of these ROMs, as well as if they include any of the pre-loaded Sprint junk that they inevitably throw onto our phones (such as Sprint Zone, Sprint TV & Movies, etc).

If so, then that would lead me to believe that these ROMs have come a long way from when next to nothing was working, that they are legit Sprint based ROMs, and that hopefully the final version is getting close!
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I think there may be a miscommunication:

The developer community has been developing ICS ROMs (either Stock or Sense) since about January. None of them were based on anything official from HTC or Sprint. They were either ports from other devices (like the HTC One S), or built from the AOSP (Android Open Source Project). But building a fully functional ROM from the Google code to work for the Evo 3D, while also maintaining a day job / school / family / any mix of other factors, development is quite slow.

As of yesterday, or maybe the day before, a leak came in the form of ICS for the Virgin Mobile Evo 3D. So people have been tinkering with it and there's all sorts of excitement. I'm downloading the 100% stock ROM right now, so I will see if it has Sprint Zone and all the other pieces of Sprint software. I doubt it, as it changes the carrier banner to "Virgin Mobile" but we'll see.
 
I've been using Viper's version of the leaked ICS for the past few hours and I'm pretty impressed with how complete it is. I've seen leaks in the past (for other phones and versions of android) that were extremely buggy or even completely missing stuff but this one looks pretty good so far.
Don't give up hope yet people!
 
Doomstang said:
I've been using Viper's version of the leaked ICS for the past few hours and I'm pretty impressed with how complete it is. I've seen leaks in the past (for other phones and versions of android) that were extremely buggy or even completely missing stuff but this one looks pretty good so far.
Don't give up hope yet people!
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I just loaded the bone stock one. I managed to get it to crash within the first 5 minutes :p I clicked on all the radios simultaneously. It did not like that. It probably just needed a reboot anyways, from after the initial setup.

And there isn't a single Sprint app on this ROM, it's definitely VM only. But still, the Sprint version can't be too far away.
 
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Official-ICS-leaks-out-for-the-HTC-EVO-3D_id29789
The link above I saw this morning and this is what the link says below my comment here. Not sure if there referring to the vm Ics leaked ROM or what but hey we have hope in our sights now atleast.

While many great developers have tried their hand with the HTC EVO 3D and there have been several semi-functional Android 4.0 ROMs available, the unique camera library for the device has prevented a proper daily driver. These tricky libraries have caused much frustration to owners and developers alike, and while several other HTC devices have seen ICS leaks, many users have felt that the EVO 3D was being left behind. Fret no more, because early this evening a leak emerged from an unlikely source and developers already have a full ICS ROM available. Team Virtuous at RootzWiki got their hands on a leaked Virgin Mobile build, of all things. Sprint recently confirmed that WiMax would live on in their prepaid branch and it appears the venerable EVO 3D will help carry that torch.

This leaked build is Android 4.0.3 with Sense 3.6. The process is relatively simple, especially for H-Boot 1.4 users, but does require a firmware upgrade before you can flash the ROM. As usual, JoelZ9614 was the first to get a functioning ROM out of this but no doubt other developers will be hard at work this weekend bringing new ROMs to the table as well as updating older ICS attempts with working 4G and camera. We've been running Joel's build for about an hour now with only one minor reboot in the beginning, but otherwise its been perfect. Still, since this isn't an official release expect a few bugs while developers iron out the kinks.
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Yes, they're talking about the VM leak. It's the same build I have installed. It appears they had the same crash I did.
 
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