hmmmmm, maybe the moderator who run the dev's off, and is deleting most posts in regards to this matter ( talk about freedom of speech !!! ), could clearify and explain to us what happen, so at least all the innocent ones would know what's going on.
( but I doubt that ever happens )
Hi.
Accusations are easy to make and nearly impossible to debunk.
In Hroark13's case, he started hating a guy as bogus. When evidence was completed, I banned the bogus guy.
Another budding dev came along, Hroark13 sent me a PM that the new guy was a sock puppet for the first. He was mistaken, I said so and thought that was that. Others joined in disrupting the second guy's thread for not answering, ignoring completely that the cat had posted, "My laptop crashed, I will be back soon."
Instead of waiting to see what the guy had to say, and then decide if he was bogus, the public witchhunt began, complete with false accusations. Hroark13 posted lovely things such as pictures of steaming dog poo.
Another mod went in and posted two or three sentences that said, please be polite, please don't attack each other, please be on-topic (ICS).
Hroark13 responded with a long screed about how stupid we all were and that he had the right to post whatever he wanted. And that if he were reprimanded, he would quit.
I asked him to try decaf with a smiley face, said that we can't share publicly how we knew that the second guy wasn't the first (our privacy policy protects everyone), and now can we drop the issue?
You decide if that was disrespectful or a reprimand.
He quit over that.
The obscenities came next, I asked him why in PM, he answered that he wanted to be banned so everyone could see what a Jerk I was. He earned a no-posting probation and I told him that it would lift when he calmed down and stopping raging. I thought that would take a few minutes or an hour but I was wrong.
A few hours later, others in the ICS thread, good guys, asked in very-thanked public posts if one of us would please remove the drama so that they could discuss ICS kernels in that thread in peace.
I complied with that request and the PM campaign began, I got the first copy of the one posted earlier.
Mods can't hide anything from Phases nor would we want to. Complaints on me have been given him, oh, how they have been given.
He's reviewed everything in the matter, meaning what was actually said publicly and privately and has responded in support of my actions and statements.
And seriously - at no time did I ever say that no one cared if he was leaving. Look at my record, look at my posts, no one here could reasonably believe that I roll that way.
As for linking me to Shabby, please google -
site:androidforums.com prevail shabbypenguin EarlyMon
And decide for yourselves if my head belongs on a stick.
I've always respected and admired Shabby. If he has a beef with me, I don't know about it, and you all can ask him.
I won't respond further, I don't think it's my place to get any further into this silly hearsay.
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Devs are unhappy that we don't ban trolls on the spot.
We wish we could, but we don't ban anyone based on suspicion. It takes time to establish a case for the difference between trolls and a dev or wannabe who royally screws up.
Makes us look asleep at the switch but we're really not.
Your alternative is to have a bunch of ban-happy, power-tripping mods tossing people out on the first suspicion. Sorry, that ain't us.
Or - you can just use the report button on devs you're unsure of, and ignore them until we get time to really check them out.
With a million members, over a thousand forums here with people needing help, it does take time to disassemble roms, contact people, hear how they have done with the accused developments, etc etc etc.
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Some people think that I don't understand devs.
I don't develop for Android.
I do develop industrial Linux applications for the semiconductor industry. Chances are if you own something with chips in it, then you own something tested during manufacturing with my work - our firm is the world's leader in that test segment, and I am the director of r&d.
I first began unix kernel development over 25 years ago. Some of you may have used some of my code in your desktop machines. Certainly, my work is still on-station in orbit and in use by the military.
So yes, I think that maybe I do understand the plight of developers and I am pretty sure that I care a great deal about software quality.
I know that I care that I care about and understand maybe a little bit about Android. Before Linux, I wrote an SMP operating system, half of it in assembly on bare metal.
And I use Android, so I care about it working for all of us.
I'm the proud grandfather of six wonderful kids, one old enough now to have carried her first Android phone!
If I seem out of place asking for calm reflection rather than flame wars, if I sound odd asking that we attack issues instead of each other, maybe it's because I am from a generation and a time where respect was earned every day and we stuck up for the weakest among us.
I don't know if I am old school, but I think that I will do until old school comes along.
Thanks for asking me to speak up, thanks to anyone who has read this.
Please have a great day, please enjoy the forums, and please be excellent to one another - rock on!
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). his reason for leaving the forums is his own and ive no right to judge anything on that. it wasnt a situation that involved me, therefore its not my place to say who is right and who is wrong. im sorry if that upsets anyone it isnt my intention.
and can't see how someone or a mod can run someone off?? what is the gain of it?? don't know why??