Depending on how much I tinker with Pandora and Kindle/Aldiko I get a full day and some, to scrambling to find a charger in the afternoon on day 1. Just keep a spare charger or car charger handy and it's fine. I must confess I really miss the multiple days I could squeeze out of my blackberry. Not nearly enough to go back though. The Evo is fantastic.
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Ipad or Xoom??
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UBRocked
VZW Nexus Please!!!
First of all, congrats on the baby!
I'm going to use your comment to make a few points...but not all of them are necessarily directed "at" you.
While I can not...or will not, speak for the owner of this forum...I'll make my best attempt to clear up a few things.
1) "Freedom of speech" here goes a pretty far way compared to most forums.
If you are not simply trolling for the sake of trolling, attacking other users, or breaking the other published forum rules (found HERE), then users will not be banned or reprimanded. I've read the rules several times...never have I seen a guideline pertaining to not being able to talk negatively about an android product, or not being able to talk positively about a non-android product.
2) Many of our members do not eat, sleep, and live "android". Many members may have a single Android device along with an iPad, iPhone, Nokia device, etc. Some users here may not own any Android devices and are looking for their first one. You don't have any extra credibility here if you are an Android "fanboy" or "fangirl".
3) This site is a support forum for "all things Android" but we support the users. Helping users pick out a device that best suits their needs sometimes involves looking outside of Android. I have personally recommended the iOS devices to users based on their location, availability to other devices, price range, and their specific device needs. Obviously this is a rarely occurring situation as I am a HUGE fan of Android!
But the "my device is better than your device" types of comments are completely subjective and not helpful. I don't own a Xoom or and iPad because both are above my price point for what the devices accomplish. Both the iPad, iPad2 and Xoom are "better" devices than my Archos 70...but to me, my device meets my needs and my budget. To each their own...
Now, considering this is an iPad vs. Xoom thread, please feel free to express your opinions. Don't like one or both of these devices?...that's okay (were not going to ban you for it). But lets agree that EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion. Every user has different needs, budgets, likes and dislikes.
Don't want to have to shut this thread down but Moderators aren't always going to delete 20-30 posts in an effort to "clean up". SoFlo is a patient person and I thank him for cleaning up the thread...But now everyone has been warned to keep the discussion on point, and within the rules.
Please...we really hate locking threads like this
ren857
Android Enthusiast
Congrats on having a baby. And well said.
First of all, congrats on the baby!
Thanks!
@UBRocked, I understand what you're saying. I hope my post wasn't too mean.
I saw this thread, plus other "xoom sucks, iPad rocks" posts made by certain people over and over again outside of this thread and I let my emotions (and hormones) get the best of me.Next time, I'll count to 10 or go yell at my husband - he can take it.
syntrix
Android Expert
I know, you don't even have to install any additional software on the xoom to sync with say, a droid.
MS Windows platforms have this ability that is device driven. It makes it so easy, caveman can do it!
You can even install something like doubletwist which almost all the android noobs I know, I recommend it, and they are like... I have it syncing over my wifi automatically!
We won't go into that other closed-source platform that forces you to ONLY use their software to sync. You don't even have other options!
I also like the ipad threads of late on other forums, seems like Moto's marketing department has worked very well. Most of the fanbois (term coined decades ago to class an apple freak) have so much hate for the xoom, that they can't even specify an example of their hate
UBRocked
VZW Nexus Please!!!
Thanks!
@UBRocked, I understand what you're saying. I hope my post wasn't too mean.
Next time, I'll count to 10 or go yell at my husband - he can take it.
No, your post wasn't too mean. I've got two kids and my wife didn't have the best pregnancies...so believe me, the last thing I want to do is upset you!
(I've seen first hand how that works out )I just was reading through some of the posts here and seeing 20+ posts that SoFlo deleted I figured I'd just reiterate some of the "ground rules". I just used your post as a springboard.
zipur
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And Moto is different how? droid 1 and droid 2. The point of the Ipad2 is that it is thinner and lighter. I don't understand why one would discount how important that is for portable device
Listen to me, TO ME. TY.
The people who complain don't really understand consumer behavior and business.
Your first generation of a new line can be revolutionary, but subsequent generations should mostly be evolutionary to avoid a disconnect between generations. Plus, it's tough to beat yourself at your own game every year.
And consider that they want to keep the price the same, so you can't blame them for not going all out with the iPad 2. You can't run out of steam too soon. The first generation is usually a test of the product line, meant to get user feedback for a much better second generation product.
Some of you have zero business sense and understanding of consumer behavior. You're all mostly power users, not the majority audience for these products.
Your first generation of a new line can be revolutionary, but subsequent generations should mostly be evolutionary to avoid a disconnect between generations. Plus, it's tough to beat yourself at your own game every year.
And consider that they want to keep the price the same, so you can't blame them for not going all out with the iPad 2. You can't run out of steam too soon. The first generation is usually a test of the product line, meant to get user feedback for a much better second generation product.
Some of you have zero business sense and understanding of consumer behavior. You're all mostly power users, not the majority audience for these products.
I pointed you to at least 5. Along with 7.9 million hits on how-tos, Yahoo! questions, and other places where users are asking how to do it. In fact, it's an autofill on Google Search; which means LOTS of people are asking how.
So, no. I'm not still looking for them. You are ignoring them.
An obvious lack of insight here. There are only 2 real formats for consumers: MP3, which is lossy and small; or PCM WAV which is lossless. Really, any other format is a waste, or for professionals.
Well that's a ******ed retort. Do you know how many support calls I've taken for "How to get on the internet"? That is a very basic function of a computer, however, people seem to need hand-holding.
Does what work? Overwriting ring tone settings? Wow, it syncs music by default, but guess what? One needs to be activley using iTunes in order for that to work.
Will iTunes automatically grab all of my playlists from another media player on my computer? No. So, it's a moot point if I use one of the many media managers out there, all of which WILL sync music/playlists/podcasts with an Android phone just by clicking a "Sync" button.
But, tell me: Why should a phone by default, be a fantastic media player? Especially when most users who get a smart phone get one to be a phone, and keep up with email and their calendars? Playing music just happens to be side benefit.
ipadforums.net has at least 5 posts asking that question.
I said all of MY MUSIC is mp3 or WAV. I didn't say the only formats are mp3 or Wav. There's a host of them (ogg, flac, aac, wma, etc)
You said if copy/paste was so easy, why do people ask it. Yes, that is comparable to "How do I get on the internet".
If I want to watch "Inception" on my Android device, I just go to the website "Letmewatchthis.com", and watch it. I don't need to know about DVD Rips/conversion to do so either, so your point is moot.
Not to mention DVD ripping can not occur with iTunes either, so your point is not valid anyways.
Android doesn't only provide a single solution to this for all Android devices because there are at least 10 different ways to do it.
The default solution for Android is to use whichever media manager you decide to use. Be that Windows Media Player, RhythmBox, WinAMP, etc.
And, apparently, so do iOS users. Since many seem to not know how to do it, as illustrated by my first link, and the one provided here.
I said all of MY MUSIC is mp3 or WAV. I didn't say the only formats are mp3 or Wav. There's a host of them (ogg, flac, aac, wma, etc)
You said if copy/paste was so easy, why do people ask it. Yes, that is comparable to "How do I get on the internet".
If I want to watch "Inception" on my Android device, I just go to the website "Letmewatchthis.com", and watch it. I don't need to know about DVD Rips/conversion to do so either, so your point is moot.
Not to mention DVD ripping can not occur with iTunes either, so your point is not valid anyways.
Android doesn't only provide a single solution to this for all Android devices because there are at least 10 different ways to do it.
The default solution for Android is to use whichever media manager you decide to use. Be that Windows Media Player, RhythmBox, WinAMP, etc.
And, apparently, so do iOS users. Since many seem to not know how to do it, as illustrated by my first link, and the one provided here.
I picked up my Xoom a couple Fridays ago, the day after launch. I had been pondering an iPad since it was announced last year, but held off because it just didn't seem to do enough to warrant getting one.
After seeing the iPad 2 announcement and specs, I couldn't be more confident that I made the right decision.
The iPad and iPad 2, while they are fantastic pieces of hardware and the iOS system is *really* good at what it does, lack actual tablet features that I was looking for. They are really just a 10" iPhone 3GS that can't make phone calls. Sure, there's jumbo-size apps that make use of the larger screen, but I never saw the device as capable of delivering a unique enough experience.
I've owned the 3G, 3GS, Droid, Droid X, and now the iPhone 4, so I feel like I've played both sides of the war equally. I truly appreciate what both have to offer. I landed on an iPhone 4 with Verizon because the silky smooth OS and ease of use are what I desire more out of my phone. I want my phone to "just work", and while all the customization I did on my Droid/X was awesome, it wasn't what I really need out of my pocket device.
I found the exact opposite true on my tablet. I'm not looking to use a tablet for quick bursts of use, although it is there for that as well. Tabbed browsing, fantastic multitasking and all of the bells and whistles Android is capable of is more than Apple's OS can offer. People can argue that the Xoom isn't finished, but if you look at what it's lacking, I think that's an unrealistic argument:
Flash support: Xoom has it coming, iPad will never have it.
Micro SD Support: Xoom has it coming, iPad will never have it.
4G/LTE support: Xoom has it coming, iPad will never have it.
If you judge the Xoom based on worst-case scenario of none of these features coming (extremely unlikely), the Xoom is still reduced to an equal footing with the iPad on these categories. It's not like the device is crippled until Adobe, Motorola and Google implement these features.
I've heard lots of grumbling about the cost as well. Yes, it's $799.99 off contract, but the equivelant iPad 2 is $729. That's NOT a huge price difference and the cost can be quickly recovered by the amount of free apps available on the Android market. When the wifi version launches at $599.99, it's going to be an identical price point to the wifi-only iPad 32GB model.
Finally, to address complains about the lack of tablet-specific apps on the market, what do you expect? The Honeycomb OS has been live for less than 2 weeks. It's unrealistic to expect it to launch with thousands of apps for devices that aren't in consumer hands yet. Video game consoles launch with a dozen or so titles to showcase the platform's ability, then the floodgates are opened as consumers dig in. Counting this as a disadvantage is short-sighted. The iPad launched with a small handful of tablet apps and leaned heavily on the rest of the App store too.
So there's my take. I love my Xoom to death and I couldn't be more pleased with it. It is a great product RIGHT NOW, and the upgrades and apps that are on the way is going to make this thing even better. I also love my iPhone 4, or iPad nano. To each their own, but it'd be nice to see people giving props where they are due, and hitting talking points that don't really matter isn't contributing much.
After seeing the iPad 2 announcement and specs, I couldn't be more confident that I made the right decision.
The iPad and iPad 2, while they are fantastic pieces of hardware and the iOS system is *really* good at what it does, lack actual tablet features that I was looking for. They are really just a 10" iPhone 3GS that can't make phone calls. Sure, there's jumbo-size apps that make use of the larger screen, but I never saw the device as capable of delivering a unique enough experience.
I've owned the 3G, 3GS, Droid, Droid X, and now the iPhone 4, so I feel like I've played both sides of the war equally. I truly appreciate what both have to offer. I landed on an iPhone 4 with Verizon because the silky smooth OS and ease of use are what I desire more out of my phone. I want my phone to "just work", and while all the customization I did on my Droid/X was awesome, it wasn't what I really need out of my pocket device.
I found the exact opposite true on my tablet. I'm not looking to use a tablet for quick bursts of use, although it is there for that as well. Tabbed browsing, fantastic multitasking and all of the bells and whistles Android is capable of is more than Apple's OS can offer. People can argue that the Xoom isn't finished, but if you look at what it's lacking, I think that's an unrealistic argument:
Flash support: Xoom has it coming, iPad will never have it.
Micro SD Support: Xoom has it coming, iPad will never have it.
4G/LTE support: Xoom has it coming, iPad will never have it.
If you judge the Xoom based on worst-case scenario of none of these features coming (extremely unlikely), the Xoom is still reduced to an equal footing with the iPad on these categories. It's not like the device is crippled until Adobe, Motorola and Google implement these features.
I've heard lots of grumbling about the cost as well. Yes, it's $799.99 off contract, but the equivelant iPad 2 is $729. That's NOT a huge price difference and the cost can be quickly recovered by the amount of free apps available on the Android market. When the wifi version launches at $599.99, it's going to be an identical price point to the wifi-only iPad 32GB model.
Finally, to address complains about the lack of tablet-specific apps on the market, what do you expect? The Honeycomb OS has been live for less than 2 weeks. It's unrealistic to expect it to launch with thousands of apps for devices that aren't in consumer hands yet. Video game consoles launch with a dozen or so titles to showcase the platform's ability, then the floodgates are opened as consumers dig in. Counting this as a disadvantage is short-sighted. The iPad launched with a small handful of tablet apps and leaned heavily on the rest of the App store too.
So there's my take. I love my Xoom to death and I couldn't be more pleased with it. It is a great product RIGHT NOW, and the upgrades and apps that are on the way is going to make this thing even better. I also love my iPhone 4, or iPad nano. To each their own, but it'd be nice to see people giving props where they are due, and hitting talking points that don't really matter isn't contributing much.
Here, let me post the links AGAIN:
Let me google that for you
It's what I was replying to you...
Don't have to use that site. You can use one of thousands of tools/sites like that to do so.
Just like one would have to research iTunes in order to find it... Did you know Windows Media Player is a CORE COMPONENT of Microsoft Windows? And it syncs music/movies/podcasts/playlists with a single click.
Not much research or buying involved there...
I already provided links. You are choosing to ignore them. I can't help that.
I don't mind posting links supporting my assertions. Now, when the person just ignores the links provided...
Provide support for his argument?
And I did. A couple of times. Both of which you seemed to have ignored.
I posted a link to a search which linked to 7.9 million instances of people asking how to sync music with their iphone.
I'll repeat, for the fifth time, I provided links to my support. 7.9 million hits of support.
Au contraire. It's a user experience hit, remember. Because I'm sure 99.999999999999% of Android users know how to copy/paste music onto their device. And the remainder most likely use another Media manager.
But, I guess we can take apart all of your notions. Here, it's demonstrated that iTunes will manage media on an Android device as well:
http://androidforums.com/android-media/139655-how-sync-itunes-android.html
So, since iTunes takes care of the same thing on an Android phone as it does on an iOS device, your points are moot. The same learning curve now for both devices.
kennychaffin
Android Enthusiast
Guys, please, we've been round this block twelve times already. Just drop it.
I'm already done. I've posted a link to a search that includes no less than 5 forum posts on the first page.
Some people just don't get it, I'm afraid.
Like I said, I can lead you to water, but you actually have to go and drink.
Here, let me narrow it down further for you, as I am starting to see using a computer might not be your strongest suit:
site:everythingicafe.com how do I sync music with my iphone? - Google Search
Since you are unwilling or unable to post links you feel would support your arguement, I click the first link in your link to search results.
In this first link, the user apparently was able to sync their ios device the first time they connected it to their computer. They later performed a windows 7 upgrade that screwed things up.
Oh, I get it. You finally click and link, but then decide it's not valid because it doesn't meet with your expectation of the perfect world.
Ok, now I see. Troll, welcome to Lake Ignora.
p8ntballah21
Android Enthusiast
please don't feed the troll. he's been here since page 1 baiting folks. i'm surprised mods are even allowing him to have posting privileges.
rjoudrey
Android Expert
Thank you
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