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just got epic and i feel kinda bamboozled

America has built themselves out there to have the latest and greatest all the time. Anytime someone else have something they don't have, they get mad.

I understand Samsung is a little slow on the update but for me, 2.1 is working just fine on my Epic. No issues with the operating system.

Some people just want their cake and to eat it too.
I for one know that when I pay for my cake that they promise is so delicious, then yes I would like to eat it to. I remember watching one of those "Iphone vs Evo" videos that the kid from best buy did only it was "epic vs evo". Seems to me like everything the animal that wanted the Evo said has come true. To me this is more disappointing than when I had my pre.
 
I for one know that when I pay for my cake that they promise is so delicious, then yes I would like to eat it to. I remember watching one of those "Iphone vs Evo" videos that the kid from best buy did only it was "epic vs evo". Seems to me like everything the animal that wanted the Evo said has come true. To me this is more disappointing than when I had my pre.

But you know the funniest part about the Froyo update is, there are stable versions of 2.2 that are out that you can update too! Granted it is not the "official" supported version by Sprint but its not that hard to update yourself. They are based upon the official 2.2 release from Google.

What makes this different is you have an option to do it yourself but by choice, don't.

Granted by doing so you void your warranty with Samsung for the phone but that is why people have been using Odin to backup their device before they do flash to 2.2. Its not as hard as you might think and can easily be accomplished in an afternoon.

The only thing you will lose is the support of some of the Sprint programs, i used there navigation program but there are alternatives.
 
Going back to what the OP said, we feel bamboozled too..and we've had an Epic for a few months now.

I have an Evo and my girlfriend has an Epic. We've each had our share of problems with our phones...only all of my Evo's issues have been resolved through either software updates or a hard reset (my bluetooth stopped working on the Evo...a hard reset fixed it).

On my girlfriend's Epic, aside from the obvious issue with the Epic not being updated to 2.2, she has the GPS issue as well as an issue with her screen proximity sensor.

For 2.2, the only feature that she really needs is the ability to install apps to the SD card, as she's already running out of space. The GPS issue is unbelievable that it was an issue to begin with...and it still continues to be (has there been a fix for this yet? After a few months, I gave up on coming to the forums to check for one). Then, most importantly...her issue with the proximity sensor. When she's on a phone call, her Epic's proximity sensor doesn't function properly. Often it'll leave her screen on and active while she's talking, and then she'll inadvertently hang up with her cheek. This is a major issue for her, as she uses this phone for work-related calls as well as personal use. Sprint only has suggested that we try a hard reset (which we have...that didn't fix anything). Samsung claims its not an issue at all, as they haven't had widespread reports of it.

Aside from those issues, her phone constantly lags and freezes. Apps sometimes won't open at all, and often the phone just stops responding...the only way to get it to work again is to do a reboot, or even a battery pull and reboot. She needs to battery pull at least once a week and a reboot at least once every other day. I don't know if the unresponsiveness and lag are because of 2.1...but whatever the reason, I don't have to deal with them on my Evo at all (I've had to do one battery pull, ever).

Right now, we're trying to figure out a way to get rid of her Epic and get her the Shift (she loves having a hardware keyboard) without spending a lot of money. I know for a fact, neither of us will be buying a Samsung phone ever again.

Also, when did Sprint ever tout the Epic as an iPhone killer? I remember tech media saying that it could be an iPhone killer, but not Sprint. Additionally, I think it's not that difficult to see why Sprint pushes the Evo so heavily in their ad campaigns. If they are trying to bring more people to Sprint (and keep them happy to stay with Sprint), are they going to push the phone (the Evo) and manufacturer (HTC) that keeps their products updated and on par with other flagship android phones or are they going to push the phone that is woefully out of date at this point and has crippled hardware out of the box for a lot of users (GPS on the Epic?).

As of January 13th, 2011...half of HTC phone models have been updated to 2.2 with an average time of only 56 days from release to update. Only 11 percent of Samsung models have gotten the upgrade and some of its phones take an exceedingly long time to get the update (Intercept at 159 days...and then when it did come out there were widespread issues of phones being bricked by it). Does no one see an issue in this? Sprint had no problem pushing the Evo update...why would they have a problem pushing the Epic update? Additionally, this shows a trend of issues with Samsung updates across all of they android devices...not just on Sprint.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/17649/android_upgrades

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/13/verizon-wireless-and-htc-most-eager-to-provide-android-2-2-updat/


The Epic has so much potential...the screen is amazing, and cpu/gpu is blazing fast...but the software kills it for me. People can spit out benchmark numbers all they want....but if the phone is frustrating to use on a daily basis...then those numbers don't really mean anything.
 
If you have an issue with the proximity sensor, it's more likely a defect and thus you should take it in for a warranty replacement. I could be wrong, but I don't recall that being a known issue with the Epic. There were also workarounds for the gps issue. It should be in the troubleshooting section.

Just think, you could have a motorola Cliq XT that's only a year old and be stuck with 1.5 after being promised an update on multiple occasions. And don't think we're the only ones with 2.1 Galaxy phones. AT&T and Verizon are in the same boat. Not being an apologist. I'm annoyed too and probably not going to be in the market for another Samsung phone. Just beyond the point of really giving a rat's @ss. And the Shift is okay ( I own one too), but I reactivated my Epic and haven't given it a second thought. Shift is a nice phone, but there's too much I'm spoiled with on the Epic.
 
If you have an issue with the proximity sensor, it's more likely a defect and thus you should take it in for a warranty replacement. I could be wrong, but I don't recall that being a known issue with the Epic. There were also workarounds for the gps issue. It should be in the troubleshooting section.

Just think, you could have a motorola Cliq XT that's only a year old and be stuck with 1.5 after being promised an update on multiple occasions. And don't think we're the only ones with 2.1 Galaxy phones. AT&T and Verizon are in the same boat. Not being an apologist. I'm annoyed too and probably not going to be in the market for another Samsung phone. Just beyond the point of really giving a rat's @ss. And the Shift is okay ( I own one too), but I reactivated my Epic and haven't given it a second thought. Shift is a nice phone, but there's too much I'm spoiled with on the Epic.

Yeah, I know what you mean about the Cliq XT (and all the other phones permanently stuck on 1.5 or 1.6)...that has to suck being stuck with one of those for another year (especially when the original Cliq got 2.1 at least). The problem we have with the warranty replacement is that the proximity sensor issue happens often, but not all the time (we haven't been able to notice a specific trigger for it). Sprint told us for replacement, we would have to replicate the issue at a Sprint store for the employees to see it (because it hasn't been a widely reported issue). The nearest Sprint store is about an hour away and the last time we were there, we were unable to replicate the problem. We stayed arguing with them for a while that they should replace the phone anyway...they wouldn't. Since then, we simply haven't had time to go back there, especially without a guarantee that our efforts would not be in vain. I've tried the GPS workarounds from these forums, but I haven't been able to find anything that's worked so far for her Epic. Thankfully, 95% of the time that she may need the GPS, I'm with her anyway so we could use my Evo if needed...but it would still be nice for her to have just in case.

To be honest, we haven't even seen a Shift in person yet (haha, like I said...Sprint store is an hour away, and Best Buy here doesn't carry Sprint at all). The only reason we want to switch to the Shift is based on my good experience with HTC and because she really wants a hardware keyboard. I really wish Sprint had more high-end Android devices to choose from (I would consider the Shift a mid-level), but at least we do have much lower monthly bills than Verizon or AT&T.
 
there is not a radio shack or best buy.. or walmart.. or any other reseller of sprint phones around you???
 
there is not a radio shack or best buy.. or walmart.. or any other reseller of sprint phones around you???

Not really...we have two Wal-Marts and a Best Buy...not one of them carry Sprint here. Radio Shack carries Sprint, but I'm not on good terms with a few of the employees and the manager there (I ripped them a new a**hole collectively when they royally screwed something up when I got my Evo from them).
 
ok.. sorry to hear that. hope it can be worked out.

It's not an issue now...I got my Evo last August (on the day the Epic launched actually) and the issue was fixed after about a week (and multiple phone calls to Sprint customer service). After the whole thing was finally resolved, I wrote a pretty scathing customer survey response for Radio Shack, and the regional manager called me to offer a paltry $20 gift card (the mistakes they made cost me far more than $20). I still haven't used it, because I haven't been back in a Radio Shack since then.
 
After buying the Moment last year and going through that fun stuff I learned a valuable lesson all android fans on sprint should learn, buy a phone for what it does, not what it has the potential to do.

Now I updated to the Evo and I'm having issues, hopped over here to the other side and it seems the grass may be greener on the other side, but who knows, if I pay the $35 and switch phones I'll probably end up wishes I stuck with the evo.
 
yeah.. that sounds like a bad situation to be in...
look around in the EVO forum.. for you issues.. most should be addressed with a search. others.. start a thread and see if someone there can help you.

mosiah.. lead us to the promise land.
 
buy a phone for what it does, not what it has the potential to do


Couldnt have said it better! My epic does what i need it to do. It works! End of story. Sometimes i do miss having an evo. Miss the .3 extra screen space, miss the htc keyboard.... then i remember how better the battery is on the epic, how the processor is better on the epic, better quality picture, better variety of video codecs that can be played on the epic, live wallpaper is more smoother on the epic as opposed to the evo, same for video games. The only thing that the evo has over the epic is manufacturer support from htc (which is awesome), but otherwise the epic is awesome be it with stock 2.1 or modded/rooted 2.2
 
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