Kids Banned For Life (or until the lawsuit)

[Bob Maxey]

So the consensus is that we hate kids right?

Speaking for me, I can do without them.

I think most here do not hate kids, they hate their antics and their bad parents. Parents hate that we do not find their loud monsters cute and adorable.

If kids were well behaved in public, very few restaurants would seek to ban kids.

 

[A.Nonymous]

It's interesting because this topic came up on another forum I'm on where a member was bitching about having to sit in front of screaming kids on an airplane. The entire forum basically ganged up on this guy and bashed him and the one other person who supported the idea of paying extra for kid-free flights. Their argument was that kids only misbehave if they're stressed or in a new situation. It's not the childs fault they're misbehaving and there is absolutely nothing at all the parents can possibly do to fix the situation. The child is stressed. Is the parent supposed to just stay home all the time because the kid won't behave in public in new situations? It's no one's fault and it's inconsiderate of people to not tolerate a kid's bad behavior in public.

 

[lunatic59]

It's interesting because this topic came up on another forum I'm on where a member was bitching about having to sit in front of screaming kids on an airplane. The entire forum basically ganged up on this guy and bashed him and the one other person who supported the idea of paying extra for kid-free flights. Their argument was that kids only misbehave if they're stressed or in a new situation. It's not the childs fault they're misbehaving and there is absolutely nothing at all the parents can possibly do to fix the situation. The child is stressed. Is the parent supposed to just stay home all the time because the kid won't behave in public in new situations? It's no one's fault and it's inconsiderate of people to not tolerate a kid's bad behavior in public.

That's somewhat of a copout. A child's behavior is influenced by a number of factors, most importantly the parents, but it's not entirely out of their control. And it's not an either or situation to travel with rowdy kids or not travel at all. Many times a parent just sits and yells, ignores or worse, hits the child. I've traveled extensively with children from 6 months through adolescence and never once did they act out or misbehave without instruction and repercussions. For the most part they were pleasant polite diners and travelers. More importantly, now that they are adults, they find those activities as adults infinitely more enjoyable.

The problem is that the state requires a minimum set of skills to operate a motor vehicle but not to procreate.

 

[cds0699]

So the consensus is that we hate kids right?

I don't hate kids at all, I do hate being disturbed by loud, obnoxious kids that cause me to have an unpleasant meal that I am paying for. In a perfect world, kids would be welcome because parents would do a good job of making sure their kids are well behaved. However, we know that there are some parents that could care less what their kids do, and don't make sure they act appropriately in a restaurant/place of business.

I think this is how most of the adults in this thread feel.

 

[cds0699]

The problem is that the state requires a minimum set of skills to operate a motor vehicle but not to procreate.

This is an amazing quote.

 

[dan330]

i have a kid.. and think she is great.


and I dont mind if others are willing to pay more to be on a kid free airplaine.

but I do feel it is wrong to exclude me and my well behaved daughter from a restaurant. adults get loud and annoying too.. and argue too!

 

[lordofthereef]

That's somewhat of a copout. A child's behavior is influenced by a number of factors, most importantly the parents, but it's not entirely out of their control. And it's not an either or situation to travel with rowdy kids or not travel at all. Many times a parent just sits and yells, ignores or worse, hits the child. I've traveled extensively with children from 6 months through adolescence and never once did they act out or misbehave without instruction and repercussions. For the most part they were pleasant polite diners and travelers. More importantly, now that they are adults, they find those activities as adults infinitely more enjoyable.

The problem is that the state requires a minimum set of skills to operate a motor vehicle but not to procreate.

Have you ever gone on a 12+ hour overseas flight with your youngsters? If so, and they didn't act out once, they are probably angels. That said, 100% of how a kid acts is not up to how they are brought up. I have seen plenty of families with multipled kids where two are "perfectly normal" and one is just a big d***. It happens, sometimes, and there just isn't much that can be done about it.

 

[mikedt]

Quickest way to stop the kid from standing there is to start talking about having had lice recently - do it loud enough for the parents to hear....hasn't failed yet, the parent's freak out and make the kid move to the other side usually. It's great.

That's rather of like talking about having a highly contagious airborne desease and sneezing, while in a packed elevator(Ghost 1990). Would probably work in a restaurant as well.

 

[Vihzel]

but I do feel it is wrong to exclude me and my well behaved daughter from a restaurant. adults get loud and annoying too.. and argue too!

Take her to a restaurant in Manhattan. People wont even know she's there. lol Have to like yell to be able to talk to your friend.

 

[bluelanche]

I wish they would ban all kids from airplanes!

 

[pantlesspenguin]

I wish they would ban all kids from airplanes!

I'm sorry, this is rather ignorant. My family went on many vacations when my brother and I were youngsters. We were just fine. So, if it was up to you, you would take away fun vacation privelages to ALL kids just because a few act out?

In a restaurant setting, it's easier to exclude kids if the owner wants. There are always more kid-friendly restaurant options out there. But the same doesn't really hold true for flights.

I've had to ask their parent to keep their spawn from kicking my chair on a flight or two. After I mention that, they suddenly develop parenting skills and I can enjoy the rest of my flight. As for kids crying? I have ear buds.

 

[A.Nonymous]

but I do feel it is wrong to exclude me and my well behaved daughter from a restaurant. adults get loud and annoying too.. and argue too!

You can reach over and pop a fellow adult upside the head for being annoying. Try doing that to some other person's kid.

 

[Bob Maxey]

You can reach over and pop a fellow adult upside the head for being annoying. Try doing that to some other person's kid.

Clearly, we need better parents.

 

[Dark Jedi]

I'm sorry, this is rather ignorant. My family went on many vacations when my brother and I were youngsters. We were just fine. So, if it was up to you, you would take away fun vacation privelages to ALL kids just because a few act out?

In a restaurant setting, it's easier to exclude kids if the owner wants. There are always more kid-friendly restaurant options out there. But the same doesn't really hold true for flights.

I've had to ask their parent to keep their spawn from kicking my chair on a flight or two. After I mention that, they suddenly develop parenting skills and I can enjoy the rest of my flight. As for kids crying? I have ear buds.

Sorry I can see why banning kids from planes some people would like it. I know from a past experience while flying back to my base. I boarded the plane and right from the get go This kid starts crying and continues to cry 1 hour in to the flight. The mother doing nothing to quiet the kid. By this time I have the worst headache I have ever had. I finally cant take it no more and turn around and say loudly if you dont hush that kid up I will. SHe picks the baby up and the kid automatically shuts up. So yeah I can see why people dont want kids on the planes.

 

[ParishL31]

Ban infants from movie theaters. There is zero excuses for taking a baby to a movie theater. 100% irresponsible piece of trash parent for doing so. It's one thing to take your 5 year old to Cars or something (that's fine), but a newborn to a movie is idiotic.

Those people need to realize they have a family now and need to grow up and make the appropriate changes. Either get a babysitter or stay home.

 

[pantlesspenguin]

Sorry I can see why banning kids from planes some people would like it. I know from a past experience while flying back to my base. I boarded the plane and right from the get go This kid starts crying and continues to cry 1 hour in to the flight. The mother doing nothing to quiet the kid. By this time I have the worst headache I have ever had. I finally cant take it no more and turn around and say loudly if you dont hush that kid up I will. SHe picks the baby up and the kid automatically shuts up. So yeah I can see why people dont want kids on the planes.

Oh I can totally understand why some people don't want kids on planes. Earlier someone had mentioned wanting an option for a kid-free flight, and perhaps paying a little more for it. As an adult now, I think this is a fantastic idea. But thinking back on how I acted as a kid on flights, I don't think it's fair to BAN kids from flying, just because some people don't know how to control their crotch spawn. When my bro and I went on vacation, no matter if we were flying or my dad was driving, I'd plug into my walkman and my bro would plug into his gameboy. You wouldn't hear a peep out of us the entire trip, unless we had to pee.

 

[batgeek]

As for kids crying? I have ear buds.

sticking your head in the sand doesn't solve the problem.

and why should someone without kids have to pay more to get a flight sans children. it should be the people with children that should have to pay extra. they are inconveniencing the airline more than i would be.

 

[cds0699]

Oh I can totally understand why some people don't want kids on planes. Earlier someone had mentioned wanting an option for a kid-free flight, and perhaps paying a little more for it. As an adult now, I think this is a fantastic idea. But thinking back on how I acted as a kid on flights, I don't think it's fair to BAN kids from flying, just because some people don't know how to control their crotch spawn.

I agree, esp with the bolded.

 

[pantlesspenguin]

sticking your head in the sand doesn't solve the problem.

and why should someone without kids have to pay more to get a flight sans children. it should be the people with children that should have to pay extra. they are inconveniencing the airline more than i would be.

I don't have kids, either. And I have a VERY low tolerance for screaming, kicking little brats. But I also realize that not every kid is a screaming, kicking little brat. I wouldn't have a problem with a family behind me in the plane with well mannered children. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here, because for the most part people in this thread hate those screaming, kicking brats (including me). But, why should a family with well-mannered children have to pay more, just because they're flying with kids?

I could very well be biased in this, because my family took many vacations when I was a child and they meant a lot to me. When my bro and I were young, we were fine. It would've sucked if my family had to jump through hoops just because I was a kid, even though the adults on the plane wouldn't even realize I was there.

 

[lordofthereef]

Airlines are never going to get rid of kids. They'd lose too much money (and they already cut corners everywhere they can). I fly 2-5 times a year, depending on various circumstances. At least 15-20% of the flight is kids under 16. Interestingly I'd say 9/10 of the flights are just great. I think people here are WAY over emphasizing bratty kids on trips. All it takes is a single experience like that and you decide they are all terrible. What about the guy that sits next to you that feels like telling you his life story? I think airlines should adopt a rule that people can't talk to one-another on the plane unless they are related or there is an emergency.

 

[dan330]

plane or bus = pubic transportation = equal access for all at fair prices

you want special conditions:
better seats?
better food?
better service?
to exclude others?
example: Business class or first class treatment or no kids?
you want it....you have to pay for it!!!

 

[pantlesspenguin]

When kids travel for an extended period of time, they get BORED. If a parent loads up on games they could play, a portable dvd player, ipod, etc to keep their kids occupied it would be fine. On planes, parents could prepare their kids by telling them what to expect. They will be in a small space, and might be uncomfortable at times (air pressure, turbulence, etc). Assure them this is normal, and try to distract them from those feelings.

Restaurants? There are tons of restaurants that cater toward kids. Take you kids out to a fancy restaurant with your spouse or friends to have an adult night out? They'll get bored. Call a babysitter.

Movies? If you're not going to see a movie that they will enjoy, they will get bored. Call a babysitter. If you're already in the movie and they're not having fun and start fidgeting? Leave. Screw the $30 you spent.

Even doing mundane things like taking your kids to the store. They'd rather be doing something else. Leave them at home with your spouse, or at a friend's house, or even call a babysitter for an hour or two so you could do other errands as well.

Vacations? It's a tricky one. Say there's grandma that lives across the country who wants to see her grandchild, but grandchild is too young to behave in a plane and grandma is too old/ill to travel. I really don't have an answer for that one.

 

[lordofthereef]

Vacations? It's a tricky one. Say there's grandma that lives across the country who wants to see her grandchild, but grandchild is too young to behave in a plane and grandma is too old/ill to travel. I really don't have an answer for that one.

Based on the sentiment in the thread, I'll answer that for you.

The kid inconveniences me. My experience is all that matters. Let grandma die without seeing her grandkid, so long as I have my peace and quiet.

 

[pantlesspenguin]

Based on the sentiment in the thread, I'll answer that for you.

The kid inconveniences me. My experience is all that matters. Let grandma die without seeing her grandkid, so long as I have my peace and quiet.

This thread does create a fine line for me, being an adult now who loathes bratty children, but I still have fond memories of family vacations as a child. For all I know I could have be seen as a brat while enjoying a hotel pool, ping pong table, etc. I really think kids are an extension of their parents. My parents were great (looking back now) at not taking crap from my brother and me. Parents these days could definitely benefit from some lessons from my parents.

 

[kool kat2]

I hate kids and realize others do too. Unfortunately i cant leave mine at home when i go out. And a 3 month old will probably cry.... sry about that, all of u can deal..... haha kidding, if i have to go somewhere i will try my hardest to leave the kids with grandma, i hate it when they cry too

And what would Samuel l. Jackson say about kids on a plane? XD