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Liberals are...smarter!

I'm curious Rota, are you a nihilist? I assume that you have given a lot of thought to this subject (God or lack thereof) and I am curious as to you position. Perhaps you have some information that would be useful to me. You seem anxious and personally attached to disproving or marginalizing Christian beliefs. I noticed that you left out most other major and minor religions (Judaism, Hinduism, Scientology, Nation of Islam, Atheism, etc.) when dissecting the nature of the universe. Is there a particular reason for this or is it coincidence? Again, I'm just curious. You don't have to respond if you don't want to.

The funny thing about research like this is that it is meaningless to us. Instead of wasting energy and time on explaining natural evolution, we should instead focus on improving our rate of evolution. In other words, evolution takes a large amount of time and we should focus on making it happen quicker. Our combination with our own technology will afford this to us (genetic alteration, neurological and tissue enhancements, etc.) in the next century or so as long as we make it that far. In the future, the intelligence of the dumbest individual will greatly exceed even our most intelligent people! What a great time it will be, and along with enhanced abilities we will see an explosion or "big bang" of information.

I am always careful about patting myself on the back for the things I believe to do "right" or the things I belive are "right" because there is simply no way to prove oneself correct with our current level of understanding. You would be correct to do the same.

Cheers.
 
Rota said:
If you're going to move from one argument out of ignorance to another, how about this one:

What made the Christian god?
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Well see with God there is no BS scientifical explanation. Because science and religion cannot relate. But here's my answer. What makes God is himself. Good one huh. I am that I am. He said It himself. He Is what he is. He's been around forever since forever has been. Now its hard to explain, I apologize, but I honestly suck at explaining. But I have answered your question, now answer mine.
 
Zenze said:
What proof is there that unicorns don't exits... or zeus or faries or whatever. Logically it seems impossible to prove that something does not exists unless it violates a law of physics.
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Typically an explosion destroys things and does not create. How's that for violating the laws of physics?
 
WAdude said:
Ok. So explain to me in detail. What happened before the Universe? What made what made the Universe? Why did matter just coincidently decide to form itself into humans who have emotions?
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As for what made the Universe that's a rather impossible question, as it is virtually impossible to know, from our point of view, what exists outside the Universe. There are many theories as to what caused the Big Bang, one idea that has recently been gaining traction is that we are part of a 'multiverse' and our universe was created when two other universes collided, causing the Big Bang. Again that is just one idea, with little evidence to support it. Studying the Big Bang itself is still a young science, most physicists haven't even begun to grapple with what caused the Big Bang.

Matter did not just coincidently decide to form itself into humans. The energy released during the Big Bang eventually cooled and dispersed to form matter (mostly hydrogen, helium and lithium, with a little beryllium) which over time clumped together due to gravity. Some of those clumps became large enough for fusion to take place and the first stars formed. The stars transformed the primordial elements into new elements, with the heaviest being iron. When one of these stars exploded in a supernova, it formed many other, heavier elements, all the way up to uranium. The matter from this supernova formed a nebula, which eventually led to the formation of our entire solar system. The genesis of life itself is a bit more fuzzy but all the necessary building blocks are naturally occurring. Once the first self replicating molecules formed, everything becomes much clearer, because evolution and speciation take hold and that brings you to us. This doesn't take into account the paradox that if we didn't exist then we wouldn't be able to contemplate our existence, which nullifies your question.

I hope that helps you, at least enough to know where to look for more information.

Crude said:
Typically an explosion destroys things and does not create. How's that for violating the laws of physics?
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The Big Bang wasn't an explosion, it was an expansion of space itself.
 
hood420 said:
As for what made the Universe that's a rather impossible question, as it is virtually impossible to know, from our point of view, what exists outside the Universe. There are many theories as to what caused the Big Bang, one idea that has recently been gaining traction is that we are part of a 'multiverse' and our universe was created when two other universes collided, causing the Big Bang. Again that is just one idea, with little evidence to support it. Studying the Big Bang itself is still a young science, most physicists haven't even begun to grapple with what caused the Big Bang.

Matter did not just coincidently decide to form itself into humans. The energy released during the Big Bang eventually cooled and dispersed to form matter (mostly hydrogen, helium and lithium, with a little beryllium) which over time clumped together due to gravity. Some of those clumps became large enough for fusion to take place and the first stars formed. The stars transformed the primordial elements into new elements, with the heaviest being iron. When one of these stars exploded in a supernova, it formed many other, heavier elements, all the way up to uranium. The matter from this supernova formed a nebula, which eventually led to the formation of our entire solar system. The genesis of life itself is a bit more fuzzy but all the necessary building blocks are naturally occurring. Once the first self replicating molecules formed, everything becomes much clearer, because evolution and speciation take hold and that brings you to us. This doesn't take into account the paradox that if we didn't exist then we wouldn't be able to contemplate our existence, which nullifies your question.

I hope that helps you, at least enough to know where to look for more information.



The Big Bang wasn't an explosion, it was an expansion of space itself.
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Come again? There's a lot of science that we haven't observed or duplicated. Are you sure the earth isn't flat?
 
I love how people argue over this. It's pointless. You all look like a bunch of idiots. Insane is what I call you.
 
koolkid09 said:
I love how people argue over this. It's pointless. You all look like a bunch of idiots. Insane is what I call you.
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Well there is your proof of God, you don't believe In him, yet you insist on arguing about his existence. :D
 
why do science and religion have to be mutually exclusive? Why couldnt God create the original forms of life and allow them to evolve? I don't understand some of these extreme off the wall views. Just beacuse I am Christian doesnt mean I have to think the earth is 6000 years old or that it took 6 days to complete. I dont know if I am getting my point acress here, but I can't be the only Christian person to think that the museum in the above video is completely stupid....am I?
 
WAdude said:
Well there is your proof of God, you don't believe In him, yet you insist on arguing about his existence. :D
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Neither you nor any other believer of any religion anywhere can offer any proof of the existence of a creator.

What believers have is faith, and nothing more than faith.

I don't have a problem with that, except when people of faith try to push their views onto others or onto a non-sectarian state. Believe whatever you wish...that there is or was a creator, that a stone monument is god, that a tree is god, it matters not to me, so long as you don't push that believe onto me and mine.
 
Wardroid said:
why do science and religion have to be mutually exclusive? Why couldnt God create the original forms of life and allow them to evolve? I don't understand some of these extreme off the wall views. Just beacuse I am Christian doesnt mean I have to think the earth is 6000 years old or that it took 6 days to complete. I dont know if I am getting my point acress here, but I can't be the only Christian person to think that the museum in the above video is completely stupid....am I?
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No, you are not alone. In fact, the one of largest Christian groups (Catholics) believe in the big bang, evolution (with divine influence), and view the Bible largely as an allegory. They also are one of the biggest private donors to scientific endeavors in the world. But like radical Islam, it's a lot easier to focus on the nut cases when you're trying to discredit a group than to give credit where it is due.
 
Wardroid said:
why do science and religion have to be mutually exclusive? Why couldnt God create the original forms of life and allow them to evolve? I don't understand some of these extreme off the wall views. Just beacuse I am Christian doesnt mean I have to think the earth is 6000 years old or that it took 6 days to complete. I dont know if I am getting my point acress here, but I can't be the only Christian person to think that the museum in the above video is completely stupid....am I?
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This is basically how I view things, and yes that museum is freaking stupid!
 
redvettez06 said:
No, you are not alone. In fact, the one of largest Christian groups (Catholics) believe in the big bang, evolution (with divine influence), and view the Bible largely as an allegory. They also are one of the biggest private donors to scientific endeavors in the world. But like radical Islam, it's a lot easier to focus on the nut cases when you're trying to discredit a group than to give credit where it is due.
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And the Catholics and the Protestants are also at odds with each other. In the South, where it's predominantly Baptists and Presbyterians, they tell me "Catholic isn't really Christianity."

I've never heard the Catholics say something similar about Protestants, though.

And if the Catholics truly do view the Bible as largely "allegorical" why do atheists constantly attack the Catholics and not the Protestants? Aren't Catholics "closer" in beliefs to non-believers (science-driven) than Protestants?

I largely believe religious books are allegorical and are there to offer kind of a guide book on how to live morally and in harmony with each other. This comes off of experiencing two religions, one personally, and the other Christianity because it's so popular.

Yeah, the nutjobs take it too far, but if religious folks are stereotyped as being intolerant and ignorant, then there's one atheist being the same towards believers, immediately jumping to conclusions and stereotypes about them without first talking to them and learning their views.

For the liberals that I've seen, I think a good number of them are very naive. They believe that everyone is good and can be changed and should be allowed to do whatever they want. They use the Constitution to back up their words. It seems they don't use their discretion very wisely.

Republicans are no better; liberals and conservatives are polar opposites. One-sided. I don't think you can be one-sided on everything and that there needs to be a balance. So when someone says "Muslims should be allowed to build whatever, wherever, it's a right!" and then when someone else says "send those Pajama-Clowns back to where they came from!" it's full of ignorance on both ends. I see conservatives as too cynical and liberals as too easy, almost a push-over and naive. Stereotypes and categorizations of my own, but I say most. Go to Digg or any social news site and you will be buried or negged for opposing radical liberalism. Weed, Obama, gay rights, all predominate there and it's unhealthy for the site. The site is insignificant in the big picture, though, it's when people with power actually take radical stances on either side and decisions are made that way. That's when it gets to be life-altering instead off annoying like it is on the internet.
 
hakr100 said:
Neither you nor any other believer of any religion anywhere can offer any proof of the existence of a creator.

What believers have is faith, and nothing more than faith.

I don't have a problem with that, except when people of faith try to push their views onto others or onto a non-sectarian state. Believe whatever you wish...that there is or was a creator, that a stone monument is god, that a tree is god, it matters not to me, so long as you don't push that believe onto me and mine.
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Yeah, and you have no proof of what happened before the big bang, because there is none, Steven Hawkins said that its like trying to go south at the south pole. But what im trying to say is that the Universe follows mathematical laws, thats why scientists are able to do what they do and get their calculations right. But the problem is that you want to apply these laws that only work inside our Universe for something that might just be outside it or something that these laws does not apply to (God), that my friend, is dumb. Even scientists say we cannot prove anything that these mathematical laws do not apply to because thats all we know, the mathematical laws that apply ONLY to our universe. Thats why we can only say that there might be universes outside ours or things outside the universe, but we cannot prove it. So do not try to use SCIENCE to prove God. Its a waste of time, your time that is.
 
copestag said:
global warming is peer reviewed also...........
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global warming can also be contributed to the decline in pirates, looking at the numbers as pirates declined global temperatures went up.

Yes I am fully aware that that is stupid but thats the point. Anyone can throw some things together call it a scientific theory and tell someone try to disprove it. My point is just because your a liberal doenst make you smarter just because your religions doesnt make you stupid. Studies mean nothing to the individual.
 
bearsfan85 said:
global warming can also be contributed to the decline in pirates, looking at the numbers as pirates declined global temperatures went up.

Yes I am fully aware that that is stupid but thats the point. Anyone can throw some things together call it a scientific theory and tell someone try to disprove it. My point is just because your a liberal doenst make you smarter just because your religions doesnt make you stupid. Studies mean nothing to the individual.
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I can prove that theory wrong.. everyone who has illegally downloaded something, be it music, a picture, a movie, games, software, etc, is considered a "pirate". x.x
 
IOWA said:
I can prove that theory wrong.. everyone who has illegally downloaded something, be it music, a picture, a movie, games, software, etc, is considered a "pirate". x.x
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you completely missed the point.

As a side now your Name is IOWA and you live in chicago, confusing.

On another side not Zelda kicks ass
 
WAdude said:
Yeah, and you have no proof of what happened before the big bang, because there is none, Steven Hawkins said that its like trying to go south at the south pole. But what im trying to say is that the Universe follows mathematical laws, thats why scientists are able to do what they do and get their calculations right. But the problem is that you want to apply these laws that only work inside our Universe for something that might just be outside it or something that these laws does not apply to (God), that my friend, is dumb. Even scientists say we cannot prove anything that these mathematical laws do not apply to because thats all we know, the mathematical laws that apply ONLY to our universe. Thats why we can only say that there might be universes outside ours or things outside the universe, but we cannot prove it. So do not try to use SCIENCE to prove God. Its a waste of time, your time that is.
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Wait....you think I am trying to use science to prove the existence of a creator...

How did you leap to that conclusion?
 
hakr100 said:
Wait....you think I am trying to use science to prove the existence of a creator...

How did you leap to that conclusion?
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Oh I am sorry, then what do you want me to use? Religion? Oh wait no, YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THAT. So obviuosly, I am going to try to explain it to you in a way you might just, maybe, probably, hopefully, understand.
 
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