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Libya crude oil shipments at standstill

byteware said:
I've actually done a LOT of cycling lately, and I'm looking at the possibility of starting motorbiking instead of driving a car for just me.

I was really interested in the Venture Vehicles startup before it became apparent that they weren't going anywhere, and I am still interested in the Dagne.
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looks like a can am spyder with a cabin

and i was talkin bout a motorcycle, 50miles each way to work, peddlin it dont go
 
It makes me wonder who is "really" causing this.

It all started back with Wikileaks....

Who stands to gain?
(Perhaps the world if it loosens our grip on Oil?)
 
TxGoat said:
Something tells me that even if the crisis in that part of the world is stabilized relatively quick, we're not going to see gas prices go below $3.00 again. I remember a few years ago the experts claimed it wasn't the actual supply of oil that was driving the prices up, but the fact that we had too few refineries and of the refineries we had, those were outdated. I sure wish there was a viable alternative. I'm sick of big oil in my pocket.
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By big oil I assume you mean the folks over there in the sand that dictate our energy futures?

If we would simply drill in this country, the known reserves will supply our needs for a very ling time. Add the potential of tar sands and oil shale; the incredible amount on natural gas and coal, and there is no need to be dependent on oil from across the seas.

Once we become oil rich, we can go over there and finish George Bush's job.

I read where it takes about a decade to build a large refinery as well as a huge pile of money. Until there is a reason to invest, The middle eastern Shieks and oil ministers will tell us how it will be.

So we decide to drill and drill big. Then the price of foreign oil drops and people decide it is not worth the investment in oil infrastructure. Or because drilling for oil damages the rare spotted three toed tree bluebird, it is not worth it.

But, we are America and we certainly have the technical smarts to develop rapid refining techniques and perhaps it is time we grab a clue and put the poor and unemployed to work drilling for crude. If not, they are sent to the Soylent Green factories.

Add the safety of nuclear power, geothermal, and re-drilling closed wells and we are in great shape. Then again, we are totally screwed as long as the root eating, tree hugging, refer smoking, recycle your body fat, crazy about the planet, green from brainless head to dirty bare foot, crazy ass wacko environmentalists, and we will all die.

I predict we will all die on October 23, 2014, at 4:30 PM.

We are caught between overseas suppliers that hate us and asinine wacko environmentalists that are big fat liars and uneducated. They tell us what's what, so get use to it. Suck on it, America.

Bob
 
byteware said:
I'm not green, and I don't care about oil politics, but I want to be done with oil, because I hate the idea of paying to drive. I would rather use solar power to charge an electric car, and drive for free whereever I want to go... that's me personally, if only EESTOR or A123 would come up with the next generation battery already, then we could get on with getting off oil.
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Hey Byteware . . . you need to understand that gasoline is just a small part of the oil business and a tiny part of what oil provides. Without oil, we simply cease to live a good life. I love a nice cave as much as the next guy, but come on.

We absolutely need oil because it provides countless chemicals that are required for making just about anything you can think of.

Bob
 
Bob Maxey said:
Hey Byteware . . . you need to understand that gasoline is just a small part of the oil business and a tiny part of what oil provides. Without oil, we simply cease to live a good life. I love a nice cave as much as the next guy, but come on.

We absolutely need oil because it provides countless chemicals that are required for making just about anything you can think of.

Bob
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I do understand that, but most of those products are Optional to me. Gasoline is not. I must pay for gas to get around, and I'm tired of that. I am ready for next gen batteries so that I can get around for free (vehicle maintenance, tags, insurance, etc.. not withstanding)
 
byteware said:
I do understand that, but most of those products are Optional to me. Gasoline is not. I must pay for gas to get around, and I'm tired of that. I am ready for next gen batteries so that I can get around for free (vehicle maintenance, tags, insurance, etc.. not withstanding)
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If you do a little proper research, you might discover that somewhere in the half a million products that come directly from oil or created from byproducts of oil refining (cracking, the proper term) or are created from reactants... you might understand that without oil, your life changes considerably.

Oil and its byproducts touch you every day.

And the power for the batteries is what... created with pixie dust and smugness? I also think those batteries can't be created without oil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMhzNdeb1c4

Bob
 
byteware said:
None of them do at the moment. The hybrid system on a Prius costs far more than it will ever save you in gas.

However, Chrysler's Hydraulic Hybrid minivan has an ROI of about 3 years. As long as you own the van for 3 years, it will pay for itself and start saving you money...
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And, every 80,000 miles or so, it costs 6 to 8 grand to replace the batteies.

Bob
 
ipodman said:
We all have an addiction to Oil based products, i think Nature's going to sort it out though.
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let me clarify that a bit more for you...... we dont have an addiction to oil products.....

we have an addiction to over consumption of oil and oil based products......... and if nature completely sorts it out we may end up like neanderthals living in caves and wearing wooly mammoth fur for clothing

if you think about it for a minute...... and I always encourage everyone to take this challenge...........

stand up........look at your body/clothes.......... now look around the room youre in...... walk to the next room and look around........ walk outside......... take a look at anything you can find anywhere........there is nothing....... not 1 single thing you will find...... other than naturally occurring things like trees and grass and dirt, etc........not 1 single thing that did not involve the use of oil............ nearly every man made product on the planet requires oil in some fashion
 
mdram said:
you dont, but if ya wreck call the epa and hazmat team to clean up the fluid :)

they do look interesting, i think ups is using them
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The thing I like about it, is that the hybrid costs more, but is projected to pay for itself in 3 years, as opposed to the Prius, which pays for itself in (I think) 10-15.
 
have a link that explains more about how it works? all I could find was a basic glance at the operation...... and from what I read of it I didnt see how it could possibly work for anything but continious stop driving

based on what I read my understanding is theres basically a hydraulic tank and a tank of nitrogen........ when you press the brakes it forces the fluid into the nitro tank and compresses the gas....... when you release the brake the gas expands and pushes the fluid back out which drives the axle

this is all great if you plan on hitting the brake every block..... but if you have to drive more than a few feet without applying the break then you wouldnt get any use out of the hydraulic assist

this of course assuming that the nitrogen isnt already compressed enough to drive the car without braking....and at what rate does braking compress the nitro vs decompression while driving

Im not debating the technology........ just would be curious about more info.... a basic search didnt turn up anything other than "breaking news... new technology" etc
 
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