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Malaysia Airlines tragedies

the planes in that picture.. are not to scale.. they would be tiny tiney little dots..

then they are also in 3D space.. moving on different levels in the sky.



i agree.. i would not turn off the transponder too. that is just stupid.
but again.. not the same as driving against traffic.

I never said pick a 2-D direction - I said pick a direction. That's 3-D when you're in the sky.

Have you flown much in Asian airspace? Around Malaysia?

I have, both. And often.

When you get near other other aircraft, they're not dots - and you do often get near other aircraft there and that's under traffic control.

And the question wasn't just turn off the transponder - it was: would you turn off the transponder (meaning, separate yourself from all air traffic control) and then joyride somewhere without telling anyone. And this was at night.

I've stated my opinion, you've stated yours, I don't get why you want to argue the fine point about probability that I was NOT making while agreeing with the point I was making.

Last time - I was trying to explain to someone who's clearly never been in that airspace one reason that would be a bad thing, in terms he could relate to.

If you don't agree with my reasoning, fine. I'm not going to argue about probabilities.

Tell him your reasons for not doing it and why it's stupid, I've already said mine.
 
I'm gonna try really hard not to panic :/
Dang!! I wish I could get drunk on the plane
But I can't!!
Stupid I should have scheduled that better!;)
 
If you're new to this thread and jumped to the end here, or if you're just coming to the last page to see the latest, you might want read these posts:

Last words from the plane according to Malaysia

Plausible set of SIMPLE theories on how the plane was lost so quickly and mysteriously

Reminder of what Vietnam has claimed, originally and all along

Why it's possible for both Malaysia's and Vietnam's conflicting statements to both be true




And most importantly if you have to fly soon -

Correct - Don't Panic. ;)
 
And that general quoted as saying they tracked it to the Malacca Straight has released a more complete statement -

I refer to the Berita Harian news article dated 11th March 2014 on Search and Rescue Operations in the Straits of Malacca which (in Bahasa Malaysia) referred to me as making the following statements:
The RMAF Chief confirmed that RMAF Butterworth airbase detected the location signal of the airliner as indicating that it turned back from its original heading to the direction of Kota Bahru, Kelantan, and was believed to have pass through the airspace of the East Coast of and Northern Peninsular Malaysia.


The last time the plane was detected by the air control tower was in the vicinity of Pulau Perak in the Straits of Malacca at 2.40 in the morning before the signal disappeared without any trace, he said.
I wish to state that I did not make any such statements as above, what occurred was that the Berita Harian journalist asked me if such an incident occurred as detailed in their story, however I did not give any answer to the question, instead what I said to the journalist was “Please refer to the statement which I have already made on 9 March 2014, during the press conference with the Chief of Defence Force at the Sama-Sama Hotel, Kuala Lumpur International Airport”.

What I stated during that press conference was,

The RMAF has not ruled out the possibility of an air turn back on a reciprocal heading before the aircraft vanished from the radar and this resulted in the Search and Rescue Operations being widen to the vicinity of the waters of Pulau Pinang.
Winner of the Chicago Tribune/Washington Post Award for Excellence in Journalism goes to - the Berita Harian! :party:

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Way to go, Berita Harian, your complete foul up of a reporter and bad editing has sent millions of people into a panic for no reason whatsoever, spawned endless pointless arguments, and managed to cast doubt on one of the few agencies that we can turn to for information.

Way to go!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/12/mh370-search-continues-amid-confusion
 
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Today's press conference, that was supposed to start a few minutes ago, is delayed by an hour or ninety minutes - Malaysian transport minister, aviation authorities and MAS execs in meeting, according to a tweet.



Meanwhile, about those Vietnam search areas and the previous sensationalist tweet that Vietnam was calling off their search -

Vietnam said it had halted its air search and scaled back a sea search while it waited for Malaysia to offer more detail.

“We’ve decided to temporarily suspend some search and rescue activities, pending information from Malaysia,” deputy minister of transport Pham Quy Tieu told AFP.

Asked about the claim that the plane had last been detected over the Strait of Malacca - suggesting it had crossed the entire peninsula - he replied:

We’ve asked Malaysian authorities twice, but so far they have not replied to us.

We informed Malaysia on the day we lost contact with the flight that we noticed the flight turned back west but Malaysia did not respond.
Source, The Guardian news blog.

Also, as for that crowd-sourced project that huh posted:
Volunteers are assigned a batch of satellite images to examine and asked to pin or tag possible signs of plane wreckage, life rafts, oil spills or any interesting or suspicious objects.

The company announced its initiative on Monday, saying two of its commercial satellites have already collected images comprising roughly 1,988 sq miles of the South China Sea where the plane disappeared.

The response to the call was so great that the website crashed, with some 25,000 people signing up to help. The company’s analysts will go through the volunteers’ tags and forward any findings to the authorities.

Good news though, the site is back up and getting 100,000 hits/minute, so be patient @ tomnod.com


And back to that whole cell phone GPS thing that we all discounted - and I said was unlikely - someone smarter figured out a better idea:

What if someone were on the plane, surfing with their browser settings for location on and Google picked up that info?

And they've suggested subpoenaing both Apple and Google for any cellular location data from the passengers.

However - if the plane's SATCOM antenna was lost then that's probably a non-starter.
 
Oh it's possible. Takes about 8 days. I got a friend who travelled London to Beijing by train, just for the hell of it. Suffice to say it's not a direct train of course, it's via Moscow, and they have to change the bogeys at the Mongolian Chinese border, due to different track gauges. Mongolia and Russia uses Soviet gauge, while China uses standard gauge.

Reminds me of this movie:
Transsiberian (2008) - IMDb
It's actually quite good and makes me never want to take that train ride. ;)
 
And they've suggested subpoenaing both Apple and Google for any cellular location data from the passengers.

However - if the plane's SATCOM antenna was lost then that's probably a non-starter.
Not been following all the thread sorry so apologies if this sounds stupid or has been covered already which it seems to have been in part here.


But have the authorities collated all of the mobile phone numbers of the passengers and checked to see if any of these numbers might have been simply connected to a cell mast even for a second after the point of them going off radar etc!

I know it
 
Every cell phone scenario has been brought up by the families. Many have contended that phones remained connected or re-connected based on unending attempts to call those on the flight and what the ring responses were and the timing involved. Experts have been brought in, reports have been televised supporting it all and debunking it all.

It's not at the front of the media reports and it's not at the back.

I haven't seen any final answers to the questions fwiw.

I think that the best way to sum it up is, every idea is being considered and the traditional search and rescue techniques are coming first, and the other ideas are being tracked down as resources permit.

There are at least a half dozen sightings reported by people on the ground or at sea who say they saw it come down. On the surface, they all seem credible but they don't seem to agree with one another. Those are being sorted out as well.

The crowdsourced satellite photo search is going at full steam and China has allocated six surveillance birds of their own along with photo intelligence resources to aid in that front as well.

I don't think that any stone is being left unturned and each search/location idea is adding to the number of haystacks to search for the needle.

Which resources will be the one(s) to find it or add information for finding it is anyone's guess at this point, of course.
 
And for some non-news:

Bad decade: Malaysia Airlines has catalog of woes

There has been no suggestion that the unrelenting financial pressures faced by the airline and its 19,000 employees somehow played a role in the disappearance of flight MH370 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. But the revelation this week that the jet's co-pilot allowed two female passengers to ride in the cockpit for the duration of a flight two years ago has invited scrutiny of the professionalism of top-level staff.
 
Inside the Nearly Impossible Task of Finding an Airplane in the Ocean

Although authorities have yet to speculate on what happened aboard the Boeing 777-200, what ever it was that brought down the plane is widely believed to have occurred quickly, catastrophically and at high altitude. That would scatter debris over a huge area.

That's one possibility.

Widely believed is not the same thing as actually happened.

It's also possible that what happened quickly was loss of communications without explosive decompression.

Malaysian military radar recordings contain an anomaly at 2:15 AM (their time) on the western side of the peninsula, believed to be an aircraft detection.

If they can confirm that, the data will be released to the other countries for independent evaluation.

Meanwhile, the search is continuing on both sides of the peninsula.

Boeing did send, and Malaysia did receive, the safety update to check the fuselage for cracking near the SATCOM antenna.

They have yet to confirm that the new inspection was done on the airplane but will be checking that.

Vietnam had announced that the lack of responsive answers led to their decision to scale back their search efforts.

Despite criticisms from the press about today's announcements, evidently Vietnam was sufficiently satisfied.

They're going to fully resume and announced that they may be increasing their search on Thursday.

Note that the 2:15 radar finding was not tracked in real time - it was found reviewing recordings.

It's not the same information reported for the alleged 2:50 AM radar contact that had everyone up in arms.

PS - the 777 has more than one antenna.

There was a report a day or two ago of a garbled message from the copilot on an emergency frequency, picked up by a Vietnamese aircraft and attributed to a Vietnamese paper.

It was unsubstantiated by the Vietnamese government at the time so I didn't mention it before.

Hopefully that report will gain further scrutiny.

The Vietnamese apparently maintain that they saw the plane turning in a western direction before losing track of it.
 

blahahaha!!! Didn't even have to watch the link..I knew from the pic That it was one of my all time favorite episodes!
PS I always thought The monster alien suit thing was so bad and cheesy even back then!!
But anyway...I Still love those old episodes!! The one where the kid makes anyone who bothers him disappear...and the lady who was assaulted and told her husband as they were driving down the street..Thats him! right there! so he kills the guy and he gets back in the car and they start driving and she says Thats him right there! about another guy..and then another..and so on..etc!

whoops!!!! sorry!! I rambled...this is not the thread to do that:o

you can delete or move it or leave it be ..I won't Ramble on here...anymore...
sorry:(
 
I know america use drone for spying can I ask if a drone has ever been thought of using over the sea . I know power would be a issue but as many military war ships from other nations can provide help some extra security over miles of oceans day and night since no one cares to update radar and radio towers. .maybe a floating tower to help radio communication with planes and ships . I think if this could be done we wouldn't be waisting gas and time looking for a needle in a haystack
 
Think Amelia Earhart. She was abducted by aliens and frozen. Captain Janeway found her on a distant planet in the Delta Quadrant. This is just as likely a scenario as what we know so far, imo. ;)
 
Ok. This story was weird. The picture of the two men with stolen passports seems to have been photoshopped. Take a look at their feet. I'll provide the link to the full story, too.

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Link to full story.
 
can I ask if a drone has ever been thought of using over the sea

I know the USN are testing, and perhaps now even deploying, pilotless drone aircraft on some ships. However these are for ELINT tasks, not wide-area search - the P3-C is far better equipped for that.

maybe a floating tower to help radio communication with planes and ships
Lack of coverage isn't the problem, as stated previously. If MH370 had been able to communicate it would have.
 
Ok. This story was weird. The picture of the two men with stolen passports seems to have been photoshopped. Take a look at their feet. I'll provide the link to the full story, too.

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Link to full story.

Wow did you read the bottom quotes in the link they got me thinking now they saying some real deep stuff I would think we need some help in america . but I never looked at the photo until now . I hope we didn't advertise a terrorist attack on ????? Read the article man I ain't telling you this :eek::D
 
I know america use drone for spying can I ask if a drone has ever been thought of using over the sea . I know power would be a issue but as many military war ships from other nations can provide help some extra security over miles of oceans day and night since no one cares to update radar and radio towers. .maybe a floating tower to help radio communication with planes and ships . I think if this could be done we wouldn't be waisting gas and time looking for a needle in a haystack

They have 42 ships and 39 aircraft engaged in the search.

There are such things as floating radar beacons and radar markers, RACON and RAMARK but they're inadequate for anything like search or radio relay.

A single US ship could route all of the electronic traffic you can imagine here and then some.

We have the autonomous Global Hawk drones keeping an eye on the southern Chinese coast. And the Chinese can't stand them, autonomous drones are typically military stealth vehicles.

So other manned aircraft in the search wouldn't know where they would be at any given time and even if you could solve that, the political problem would remain.

No one is going to care if a spy satellite finds it, we have them, they have them, and both sides can downplay the spy part if they want to. Nobody is getting fooled. No big deal.

If you had a spy drone that the Chinese can't track save the day there would be no end to the fallout imo.


Maintaining international cooperation so this remains a search and not a political football is beyond extremely important.

Are other types of drones being used anyway? Possible but not highly likely.

The aircraft being used have search assets already - special radar, cameras and people that can make on the spot decisions coordinated with the search network.

And that's what you want the most - the right tools for the job.

Never say never, but I'd be surprised if drones could play a major part here, today.


Ok. This story was weird. The picture of the two men with stolen passports seems to have been photoshopped. Take a look at their feet. I'll provide the link to the full story, too.

Link to full story.

Yeah, I'm going to file that under "Malaysia's PR proves once again that you just can't throw crap over the fence and hope everyone is happy."

At the last regular press briefing, that they delayed by over an hour, the press remarked that Malaysia seemed to have finally gotten some PR training and both the press and other governments appreciated it.

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As for staying on topic, this is the Lounge where anything can happen and often does.

I would only ask that nothing disrespectful of the families is entertained.

Which - is something that no one expects at AF anyway. ;)

Everyone has been great. Thank you! :)
 
Here we go again.

CNN just reported within the last few minutes that 1) the Vietnamese are scaling back the search (NOT TRUE) , 2) the general said that they had active tracking of the turnaround and a location at 2:50 AM (NOT TRUE), so 3) basically no one knows what they're doing (NOT TRUE).

And they just reported yesterday's news, and I use the word news loosely, as the latest info.

So now, wait for the nonsense to be brought up again by the mainstream media circus.

My official theory: the CNN reporters were off with some hookers getting high and tried to make their reporting deadline by reviewing a stale Google cache at a Taco Bell drive through.

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Way to go, CNN!
 
Been searching tomnod.com and so far I've only done 135 map sections but every bit helps I guess.
Would have liked the option to search the area I wanted to and see where I was but I guess that could mean many peeps looking in the same place!
Found one ship so far so it is possible to find stuff on the surface at least and these are night images.
Great site, think this could be the best chance of finding something if enough people take part.
 
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