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Malaysia Airlines tragedies

In addition to the pallet spotted by a commercial search plane this weekend, Chinese and Australian planes have both reported debris sightings in two different locations. Surface ships have not confirmed any of the sightings nor retrieved any debris yet.

Debris may have no relationship to MH370.

US Navy flying black box locator to area. It gets towed by a ship and can detect the black box signal at up to 20,000 feet deep.

University professor opines that the Chinese are appearing to bypass the Malaysians with search efforts.

Malaysia confirmed that MH370 was carrying 200 kg (440 pounds) of lithium batteries and still maintain that they weren't hazardous. Pallets were also on board.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/mh370-chinese-plane-spots-white-objects-live-updates

Bad weekend for Malaysia Airlines. First there was the plane that hit a flock of ducks while landing, leaving glass on the runway and not reporting it, and now a Malaysia Airlines Airbus A330-300 attempting to fly from Kuala Lampur to Seoul made an emergency landing in Hong Kong when primary generators failed. The plane made it in safely using the auxiliary power unit.
 
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Saw this on FB this morning.
 
dan330 said:
have they found the plane??? any debris??
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No. :(

Ships dispatched to the last sightings of debris by Chinese and Australian planes (two locations) but no debris recovered yet.

That report came in approaching evening in the search area, with an additional statement for an update hopefully within a few hours.

Nothing more was added on that, then the newest announcement came.
 
Inmarsat has told the BBC it gave the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) the new data on Sunday - adding it needed to be checked before it was made public.

The firm said its latest calculation involved a large amount of data analysis, focusing on a number of factors including the movements of other aircraft.

It involved an entirely new way of modelling which is why the analysis took some time, the firm added.

A spokeswoman for the AAIB said: "As set out by the Malaysian prime minister, we have been working with the UK company Inmarsat, using satellite data to determine the area on which to focus the search.

"We are not able to comment further on this investigation, which is being led by the Malaysian authorities."

Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall, from the University of Southampton, told the BBC it was significant that Inmarsat had been tracking data, rather than locations.

"The algorithms and the techniques they've applied to try and locate to within a certain area where the last transmission was made is really quite phenomenal - but also quite tragic because it does show this plane was heading to an open area of ocean."

Dr Boxall continued: "They [Inmarsat] started from scratch. They've probably crammed almost a year's worth of research into maybe a couple of weeks so it's not a routine calculation they would ever, ever make.

"So they've been looking at all the signals they have, all the recordings they have, and processing that many times over to try and pinpoint where the plane's signal came from. Technologically it's really quite astounding."

He added that Inmarsat must have run through its calculation a number of times and "wouldn't have released this sort of information without being 100% certain".
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BBC News - UK firm behind Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 breakthrough
 
dan330 said:
have they found the plane??? any debris??
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I saw some reports that search planes have located some debris, but are not able to confirm whether or not they came from the missing plane. They will have to get a ship there and fish it out of the water before they can confirm whether or not the debris is actually from the missing plane. A number of ships have been dispatched to do the search, but it will take some time before the ships get there. I don't have an ETA on when the ships will arrive in the search area. It is currently night time at the search location. They will have to wait until morning before continuing the search.
 
huh said:
It was a mechanical malfunction .. Unexplained as of yet... That is Leading to unfounded hysteria and speculation...
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Most "mechanical malfunctions" result in a rapid deterioration in the situation, not a flight (in complete radio silence) of (possibly) seven hours before (possibly) crashing into the ocean thousands of miles from where the "malfunction" (possibly) occurred.

That's why there's so much speculation - right now there's no logical explanation. The disappearance of MH370 is unprecedented in the age of modern jet travel.
 
Its was said some ships carrying water drones to give snap shots of what's under the water if any . I know that it can be done but have a question about under the sea or ocean . I thought that if at a certain amount of under water will cause you to die or cave in from pressure . and if such drone was built lighting would be a big problem if its far down under water

http://dwb.unl.edu/teacher/nsf/C10/C10Links/ericir.syr.edu/Projects/Newton/11/bends.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-may-play-key-role-malaysia-jet-search-n52236


http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/light_travel.html


I know its can be built for pressure like a submarine but lights is the biggest .
 
BRAINZ2013 said:
Its was said some ships carrying water drones to give snap shots of what's under the water if any . I know that it can be done but have a question about under the sea or ocean . I thought that if at a certain amount of under water will cause you to die or cave in from pressure . and if such drone was built lighting would be a big problem if its far down under water
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You really want to read this book -

Ship of Gold in the Deep Blue Sea: The History and Discovery of the World's Richest Shipwreck: Gary Kinder: 8601400671061: Amazon.com: Books

That takes you up to date as of 15 years ago but will answer a lot of questions and plus - may be one of the best books you'll ever read. ;)
 
BRAINZ2013 said:
I thought that if at a certain amount of under water will cause you to die or cave in from pressure
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True, but salvage at these depths is done via ROVs (remotely-operated vehicles) or AUVs (autonomous underwater vehicles) which are built to stand pressures far beyond that which would crush the human body to tissue paper. The wreckage of Air France 447 was recovered from a depth of more than over two miles iirc.

and if such drone was built lighting would be a big problem if its far down under water
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Very little sunlight penetrates beyond a few metres below the surface, so any deep-water submersible has to provide its own.
 
The US Navy is sending in a Bluefin-21 unmanned underwater vehicle, some details here -

Bluefin Robotics - Unmanned Platforms for Subsea Defense - Naval Technology

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That's in addition to the black box locator -

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=79838

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PS - Don't expect that sort of thing to be deployed until they find and confirm debris and then work backwards from currents to find places to start looking underwater.

The pinger-locator only travels about 1.5 knots underwater.


Another PS -

Malaysia says that the text message sent to families was secondary to other contacts.

A university shrink defends the texts as sounding brutal but actually a good thing (his words, not mine).

https://theconversation.com/flight-mh370-confirmed-lost-experts-respond-24752
 
I'm surprised the PM is calling it game over without recovering any debris or even putting eyes on anything other than a few grainy satellite pictures. He better hope he's right.
Hopefully the "black box" survives the depths, or this will be a mystery forever. It's doubtful with the currents and crazy weather at that location that they'll recover enough to do much reconstruction.
 
[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]What we know, and still don't, on Malaysian plane
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] A summary of the questions answered, and still pending, about the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak's Monday announcement:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] WHAT WE KNOW
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] THE PLANE CRASHED: Najib said satellite data showed the flight "ended in the southern Indian Ocean," confirming that the Boeing 777 that disappeared more than two weeks ago went down in a remote corner of the ocean, "far from any possible landing sites."[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] ITS LAST POSITION: A British company calculated satellite data obtained from the remote area of the ocean, using analysis never before used in an aviation investigation of this kind, and pinpointed the last spot the flight was seen in the air was in the middle of the ocean west of Perth, Australia.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]NO SURVIVORS: Najib left little doubt that all 239 crew and passengers had perished in the crash; the father of an aviation engineer on the flight said, "we accept the news of the tragedy. It is fate."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] QUESTIONS REMAIN
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[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] WHO AND HOW: Malaysian authorities have not ruled out any possible explanation for what happened to the jet, but have said the evidence so far suggests it was deliberately turned back across Malaysia to the Strait of Malacca, with its communications systems disabled. They are unsure what happened next. Authorities are considering the possibilities including terrorism, sabotage, catastrophic mechanical failure or issues related to the mental health of the pilots or someone else on board.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] WHAT'S FLOATING IN THE OCEAN: The prime minister didn't address whether investigators had confirmed floating objects in the ocean and images captured by several countries' search parties, including that of France and China, were debris from the plane. [/FONT]
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That's an odd way to end a horror story...
 
Gmash said:
I'm surprised the PM is calling it game over without recovering any debris or even putting eyes on anything other than a few grainy satellite pictures. He better hope he's right.
Hopefully the "black box" survives the depths, or this will be a mystery forever. It's doubtful with the currents and crazy weather at that location that they'll recover enough to do much reconstruction.
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Hope he's right or what? His sterling credibility will be tarnished? The man is a joke, just like most politicians.
 
jefboyardee said:
WHAT'S FLOATING IN THE OCEAN: The prime minister didn't address whether investigators had confirmed floating objects in the ocean and images captured by several countries' search parties, including that of France and China, were debris from the plane. ~~~~~~~~~~

That's an odd way to end a horror story...
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It's not the end (yet) and was addressed earlier - there can't be confirmation until surface ships physically retrieve material from the sea and get confirmation that they came from MH370.

The latest air sightings were sighted late in the previous day and everyone hoped to be followed up by surface ships within a few hours.

They didn't find anything before the day ended.

Search is called off for today due to bad weather.

Planes grounded, high seas.

It's a mess.
 
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