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New iPhone 4 vs. Eris

The only thing I saw on the iP4 that made me go "Dang" was the way it did folders. I like how it does it, and how you can drag it down to the task bar.

Other than that, the rest of it I just went "Meh".
 
srmccoy said:
To be completely honest, comparing the iPhone 4 to the Eris is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford Taurus. Both are good cars, but they're designed for different purposes. The iPhone is "supposed" to be cutting edge. The Eris was sold as a cheap, entry-level phone. The Eris was never designed to be cutting edge. Now, the Eris compares favorably with the iPhone 3g, but that's another topic.

The more apt comparison would be iPhone 4 vs. Droid Incredible or EVO 4g. Compared to the top end Android phones, it's really not much better. Give the Android handset makers a few months and there will be a phone that tops the iPhone in every way.
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You have to understand that you have wandering fanbois in here. You are correct, there is no real comparison. No matter what people say, the eris is not better than the IPhone 4. The hardware in the 4 is so much better than the eris that there is no comparison. I would agree that the EVO is a better comparison.
 
I see nearly everything being talked about here as very healthy for the smartphone market and developing, in general.

If there is something unhealthy about it, downright sick in some important ways, it is the iPhone/AT&T marriage; iPhone is a strong provider living with a deadbeat spouse, in my opinion.

As far as perceived superiority of one gadget over the other, all of that speculation succumbs to the needs and budget of the user, same as with an automobile purchase or a television set; some set out to get an Escalade and some set out to get a Kia.. to each they got the best for their situation and they'll argue it.
 
Frisco said:
I see nearly everything being talked about here as very healthy for the smartphone market and developing, in general.

If there is something unhealthy about it, downright sick in some important ways, it is the iPhone/AT&T marriage; iPhone is a strong provider living with a deadbeat spouse, in my opinion.

As far as perceived superiority of one gadget over the other, all of that speculation succumbs to the needs and budget of the user, same as with an automobile purchase or a television set; some set out to get an Escalade and some set out to get a Kia.. to each they got the best for their situation and they'll argue it.
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Sacly. Nice work once again.
 
cmajpwc said:
I don't think the iPhone will ever be a thing of the past for a couple reasons:

1. The fan base and the idea of the iPhone being a statement of sorts

2. Apple always has a way to sell their products even if it isn't the best or newest thing out there.
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I disagree with these points.

1. What kind of statement is it, when your phone won't interact with the television, or your car, or your microwave, and your friends will. It would not be something to be proud of. In fact, with the proliferation of Android phones, it would be down right embarrassing to have such an inferior phone. So, I guess it would make a statement, just not the one Apple wants.

2. Apple products only REALLY sell if people can believe (whether true or not) that they are better than other things (i.e. Mac.... it's debatable, but the users really believe it). When android phones interact with TV's, Cars, and even microwaves, it's going to be hard to convince people that phones with fewer in phone features are better than a phone with more features that controls everything in your life.
 
byteware said:
I disagree with these points.

1. What kind of statement is it, when your phone won't interact with the television, or your car, or your microwave, and your friends will. It would not be something to be proud of. In fact, with the proliferation of Android phones, it would be down right embarrassing to have such an inferior phone. So, I guess it would make a statement, just not the one Apple wants.

2. Apple products only REALLY sell if people can believe (whether true or not) that they are better than other things (i.e. Mac.... it's debatable, but the users really believe it). When android phones interact with TV's, Cars, and even microwaves, it's going to be hard to convince people that phones with fewer in phone features are better than a phone with more features that controls everything in your life.
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When I said statement, it's similar to the whole white earbuds thing. Like people just wanted to say, "Hey, I own an iPod". I think I saw somewhere on a documentary on the Discovery Channel a while back that the iPod is somewhat of a culture among people. People want to say, "Hey, I have an iPhone" just as much. I know my friends who have iPhones always have them out and are always trying to show people they have them. It may not do anything but they just want people to know they have it. I don't know if you understood that, I know it sounds stupid but that's how I see they way the iPod and iPhone are. (Not that they aren't great products, it's just more of a statement to have one than if you were to have a phone that controls a TV and something in your car)

And the way Apple always has a way to sell their products is by perfecting the technology before they implement it. Did you notice the video calling is only WiFi right now? That's probably because Apple found bugs or the network couldn't support it or something. Yeah, Android has video calling over the 3G networks, but I'm not sure how buggy it is or how well it works. Apple made video calling near flawlessly over WiFi. They don't rush out everything right away to compete, they take time to perfect it and make it user friendly and then release it so people want that instead of some buggy software on some other device. This is why the iPod sold so well versus other mp3 players. Apple perfected their software/hardware so users had the best experience possible with the least amount of annoyances.

But, there will always be people who want the newest greatest thing no matter how buggy it is. It really is just a matter of what you want to do with your phone more. I said before, I love my Eris and it's customization and abilities. But I understand what people want with the iPhone and what they use it for. It's all just a matter of opinion to what you want the phone to do.
 
Getting the iphone on verizon will be like moving a starbucks into a nice quiet suburban neighborhood. It will bring in all kinds of douches!
 
cmajpwc said:
When I said statement, it's similar to the whole white earbuds thing. Like people just wanted to say, "Hey, I own an iPod". I think I saw somewhere on a documentary on the Discovery Channel a while back that the iPod is somewhat of a culture among people. People want to say, "Hey, I have an iPhone" just as much. I know my friends who have iPhones always have them out and are always trying to show people they have them. It may not do anything but they just want people to know they have it. I don't know if you understood that, I know it sounds stupid but that's how I see they way the iPod and iPhone are. (Not that they aren't great products, it's just more of a statement to have one than if you were to have a phone that controls a TV and something in your car)
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I disagree... Apple sells things by claiming their better. It's hard to claim something is better... when it so obviously isn't.


I expect that in 2 to 5 years, having an iPhone will make a statement... kind of like showing people your RAZR makes a statement now.
 
byteware said:
Too bad they didn't make connecting to WiFi flawless... that would've made the whole package complete...
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If you tried to connect to a WiFi base station with 570 active WiFi access points, all in the same room, you'd have just as much trouble, no matter how good your device is.
 
The one big issue that any new version of the iPhone fails to address is network issues. Until apple addresses that beast they will continue to lose market share to Android.

Phone quality is only part of the story. Apple is trying to fix the problem by putting caps on data usage. That will result in customers bolting to the competition until all carriers put limits in place.

Sent from my Eris using Tapatalk
 
Tarheel_Rambler said:
The one big issue that any new version of the iPhone fails to address is network issues. Until apple addresses that beast they will continue to lose market share to Android.

Phone quality is only part of the story. Apple is trying to fix the problem by putting caps on data usage. That will result in customers bolting to the competition until all carriers put limits in place.

Sent from my Eris using Tapatalk
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Apple isn't capping data, AT&T is. It's not so much to address network issues, I think, but more so to attract people who don't use data as much to their plans, because they won't have to pay 30 bucks a month for something they don't really use. If you had the option and you only used about 100mb per month or so on your Eris, wouldn't you take a cheaper data plan if you could? It's just AT&T's way of attracting other people to their phone service.

And Apple claims their things are better in a few ways. When it comes to resolution, for example, the screen on the iPhone 4 really is better than most other phones out there, with the only exceptions I really know of being the HD2 and the EVO 4G. So they outright say, "This display is better and amazing than anything you have seen". BUT they compare it to the iPhone 3GS, to make it seem that much better. They don't mention the HD2 or EVO obviously. But when it comes to things like multi-tasking (which has been around for quite some time), they claim it's a better way to do it. I sort of like Apple's new way of multi-tasking. There are better ways to do it, but Apple is marketing it as a way to make things easier, and easier and better to use than other options. Which is true for most things they market like that. The only thing I don't think is made better by an Apple OS is their navigation. Even with the iOS, it's still hard to figure out how to do things in menus sometimes. Or in an app on my iPod, I sometimes find myself hitting the menu button and exiting instead of a back or previous touch button at the top. I love Android's main buttons, to me they make things easier to understand. The way PCs, Android, and most other devices work to me just makes more sense logically, but then again it could just be biased because I grew up on Windows and not Apple.
 
cmajpwc said:
Apple isn't capping data, AT&T is. It's not so much to address network issues, I think, but more so to attract people who don't use data as much to their plans, because they won't have to pay 30 bucks a month for something they don't really use. If you had the option and you only used about 100mb per month or so on your Eris, wouldn't you take a cheaper data plan if you could? It's just AT&T's way of attracting other people to their phone service.

And Apple claims their things are better in a few ways. When it comes to resolution, for example, the screen on the iPhone 4 really is better than most other phones out there, with the only exceptions I really know of being the HD2 and the EVO 4G. So they outright say, "This display is better and amazing than anything you have seen". BUT they compare it to the iPhone 3GS, to make it seem that much better. They don't mention the HD2 or EVO obviously. But when it comes to things like multi-tasking (which has been around for quite some time), they claim it's a better way to do it. I sort of like Apple's new way of multi-tasking. There are better ways to do it, but Apple is marketing it as a way to make things easier, and easier and better to use than other options. Which is true for most things they market like that. The only thing I don't think is made better by an Apple OS is their navigation. Even with the iOS, it's still hard to figure out how to do things in menus sometimes. Or in an app on my iPod, I sometimes find myself hitting the menu button and exiting instead of a back or previous touch button at the top. I love Android's main buttons, to me they make things easier to understand. The way PCs, Android, and most other devices work to me just makes more sense logically, but then again it could just be biased because I grew up on Windows and not Apple.
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You are right, I misspoke, AT&T is putting the cap in place. But two articles I read stated very clearly that one of the primary reasons for doing so is to address bandwidth issues in high traffic areas. They recognize that a high percentage of users are young people who won't be able to budget for the higher cost of high data usage.

Regardless of their reasoning, I have my doubts that AT&T will be able to fix their network problems any time soon. They go beyond just bandwidth issues. Everyone I know on AT&T, regardless of the type of phone they use constantly complain about dropped calls or lack of signal. In my experience, that's the one thing Verizon gets right.
 
Tarheel_Rambler said:
You are right, I misspoke, AT&T is putting the cap in place. But two articles I read stated very clearly that one of the primary reasons for doing so is to address bandwidth issues in high traffic areas. They recognize that a high percentage of users are young people who won't be able to budget for the higher cost of high data usage.

Regardless of their reasoning, I have my doubts that AT&T will be able to fix their network problems any time soon. They go beyond just bandwidth issues. Everyone I know on AT&T, regardless of the type of phone they use constantly complain about dropped calls or lack of signal. In my experience, that's the one thing Verizon gets right.
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+1 on that last part. Verizon has by far the best service/signal I've seen out there. The only issue I have with Verizon is sometimes the texting gets slow as in it sometimes won't send or recieve messages when they are sent, but that's a minor complaint. I'd much rather have the PHONE part working right, which it does.
 
While android based phones are great, the IPhone at this point, is superior. I hate apple but truth is truth. If verizon had an IPhone, I would be, to quote jreed above, one of them "douches".

As much as I hate the Apple, the Iphone is a great product. The IPad however... a giant iphone with out the phone.
 
Haxcid said:
While android based phones are great, the IPhone at this point, is superior. I hate apple but truth is truth. If verizon had an IPhone, I would be, to quote jreed above, one of them "douches".

As much as I hate the Apple, the Iphone is a great product. The IPad however... a giant iphone with out the phone.
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It's a giant iPhone without the phone if you get the 3G service on it. Otherwise, it's a giant iPod touch. I know they were aiming for tablet PC users, but I just don't see the appeal in it. It's cool, but not something I think I would readily buy.

I sort of agree on the iPhone being superior. It does some things better than Android, and it does some things Android can't, which is why I like it. Other than that, I love the customization of the Android OS. I don't think I would own an iPhone if it were on Verizon, although the new iPhone 4 could have brought me over. But, Verizon and it's superior coverage wins again, lol.
 
I love my Eris. But comparing the iPhone 4 (or any modern phone) to the Eris is like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevy Cobalt.

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Tarheel_Rambler said:
You are right, I misspoke, AT&T is putting the cap in place. But two articles I read stated very clearly that one of the primary reasons for doing so is to address bandwidth issues in high traffic areas. They recognize that a high percentage of users are young people who won't be able to budget for the higher cost of high data usage.

Regardless of their reasoning, I have my doubts that AT&T will be able to fix their network problems any time soon. They go beyond just bandwidth issues. Everyone I know on AT&T, regardless of the type of phone they use constantly complain about dropped calls or lack of signal. In my experience, that's the one thing Verizon gets right.
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+1...I also remember reading an article (last year) about the whole ATT network performance issue. The gist of it was that non-Apple phones like the BlackBerry, etc. performed much better and used network resources much more efficiently and in-line with ATT's network. There were supposedly things that the iPhone did that were not the most network-friendly (I don't remember the technical details, but it wasn't just the heavy network loads that iPhone users impose). So, when ATT boasts about having the fastest 3G network, it IS true, but they are not using iPhones for these tests--they are using other phones like BlackBerry, etc.
 
scary alien said:
+1...I also remember reading an article (last year) about the whole ATT network performance issue. The gist of it was that non-Apple phones like the BlackBerry, etc. performed much better and used network resources much more efficiently and in-line with ATT's network. There were supposedly things that the iPhone did that were not the most network-friendly (I don't remember the technical details, but it wasn't just the heavy network loads that iPhone users impose). So, when ATT boasts about having the fastest 3G network, it IS true, but they are not using iPhones for these tests--they are using other phones like BlackBerry, etc.
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Really? This is interesting. Because I have friends who have AT&T and NOT iPhones, and their 3G is slower than mine. Maybe it's just my area, who knows. But that is interesting, and misleading.
 
cmajpwc said:
Really? This is interesting. Because I have friends who have AT&T and NOT iPhones, and their 3G is slower than mine. Maybe it's just my area, who knows. But that is interesting, and misleading.
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I tried searching for the article I read, but Google was returning page after page of articles on ATT / iPhone network slowness--lol!

I'm sure that the old "your mileage may vary" credo is in-effect too... There's lots of times where I don't get the best of reception / speed even on Verizon. But I think I've only had one or two dropped calls ever :) on VZW (and that might have been the other party who dropped :D)
 
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