Root Newbie here again...Guess what?? :) :) :)

[Palmetto Fellow]

The best policy is definitely to follow the prerequisites given by the developer.

I agree 100%. By doing this, at least you can say, I did what you told me and it didn't work. What now?

Doing it your own way, only leads to the ultimate reply of "you should have followed directions" if things don't work.

I went the route of Ubuntu LiveCD, and even called up a Linux guru I know to give me basic linux command tips for navigating, untarring, and getting it all done.

I also suggest you follow the directions at the Juopunutbear website, not some guide on this forum. Although the guides may cover the same material, the Bear crew makes it clear on their website to follow all of their directions, and nobody else's. I still suggest that people read up on it here and that way they are more ready for any issues they encounter. I for one didn't need to OK Superuser during the procedure like many of the guides mention. I actually got nervous because I thought something had gone wrong.

 

[ramjet73]

I for one didn't need to OK Superuser during the procedure like many of the guides mention. I actually got nervous because I thought something had gone wrong.

Did you flash the RUU as indicated on the unlimited.io website before doing the wire trick?

The rooted ROM's, including the stock versions, sometimes have the super user app setup not to prompt for authorization.

ramjet73

 

[jbach46]

when I did it I believe I was on Harmonia :> and I make sure SU is set to prompt (I like knowing whats happening lol)

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

Did you flash the RUU as indicated on the unlimited.io website before doing the wire trick?

The rooted ROM's, including the stock versions, sometimes have the super user app setup not to prompt for authorization.

ramjet73

No, I didn't. That seemed contradictory to me. Can you be on the stock RUU and also have Superuser? I've always defined the RUU is a way of regaining stock-ness and taking away root. They even specify NOT to be on the stock rooted...so how does a dialog pop up and get the OK from Superuser?

I was on stock rooted, not JMZ...just stock with unlocked bootloader and superuser.zip flashed.

 

[ramjet73]

No, I didn't. That seemed contradictory to me. Can you be on the stock RUU and also have Superuser? I've always defined the RUU is a way of regaining stock-ness and taking away root. They even specify NOT to be on the stock rooted...so how does a dialog pop up and get the OK from Superuser?

I was on stock rooted, not JMZ...just stock with unlocked bootloader and superuser.zip flashed.

Aha, so you didn't follow directions for JuopunutBear exactly either.

From the JuopunutBear directions on the unlimited.io website:

Step 2 | ControlBear:

Verify - You are on Stock RUU (not FreshROM, Stock Rooted, HarmonyROM - none of these will work!)
Verify - You are HTC Dev Unlocked

There is no mention of even needing to be rooted, but I'm sure there was at one time. Either that's an oversight or they've changed the controlbear backup process to no longer need root.

My rooting and S-OFF guide on XDA requires flashing the RUU and then unlocking and rooting it before doing the wire trick. I prefer that approach since running the RUU makes sure that all of the firmware and software components are in sync and it doesn't take much longer than flashing a rooted stock ROM.

I'll jump on their IRC channel and see what they say about root.

ramjet73

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

Aha, so you didn't follow directions for JuopunutBear exactly either.

From the JuopunutBear directions on the unlimited.io website:


There is no mention of even needing to be rooted, but I'm sure there was at one time. Either that's an oversight or they've changed the controlbear backup process to no longer need root.

My rooting and S-OFF guide on XDA requires flashing the RUU and then unlocking and rooting it before doing the wire trick. I prefer that approach since running the RUU makes sure that all of the firmware and software components are in sync and it doesn't take much longer than flashing a rooted stock ROM.

I'll jump on their IRC channel and see what they say about root.

ramjet73

Yeah, let me know what they say, because I seem to recall following their instructions pretty closely. I think I would have noticed them saying NOT to be rooted.

EDIT:

I suppose I could download the control bear software again and compare it to the one I used. Perhaps it's changed, and perhaps just the instructions changed. It's also possible that they said not to be stock rooted...but i can't imagine me reading that, and then not jumping on here for clarification...as the consensus here was to be rooted at the time I did the S-OFF trick.

 

[ramjet73]

Yeah, let me know what they say, because I seem to recall following their instructions pretty closely. I think I would have noticed them saying NOT to be rooted.

They don't say not to be rooted, they just don't mention root as a requirement but my guess is that it was overlooked in the latest version of their instructions since I'm pretty sure the controlbear.exe utility needs root to do its backups.

It's also possible that they said not to be stock rooted...but i can't imagine me reading that, and then not jumping on here for clarification...as the consensus here was to be rooted at the time I did the S-OFF trick.

As you've already pointed out, the consensus here doesn't always coincide with the developer's directions or the best way to do something.

ramjet73

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

They don't say not to be rooted, they just don't mention root as a requirement but my guess is that it was overlooked in the latest version of their instructions since I'm pretty sure the controlbear.exe utility needs root to do its backups.



As you've already pointed out, the consensus here doesn't always coincide with the developer's directions or the best way to do something.

ramjet73

Clarify something for me. Does running the RUU take away root?
If so, they don't say anything about obtaining root again, nor is superuser mentioned.

I don't see how you can run the RUU and then immediately jump to installing from control bear if root is needed.

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

As you've already pointed out, the consensus here doesn't always coincide with the developer's directions or the best way to do something.

ramjet73

Exactly. So if the consensus here was to be rooted, and I saw j-bear saying not to be rooted, i would have surely came here to get clarification.

 

[ramjet73]

Clarify something for me. Does running the RUU take away root?
If so, they don't say anything about obtaining root again, nor is superuser mentioned.

I don't see how you can run the RUU and then immediately jump to installing from control bear if root is needed.

It takes away root but not S-OFF if you have already achieved that. They do specify in the current instructions that you have to be HTC unlocked, and that's probably more applicable to the actual wire trick. I think the root requirement was for the controlbear.exe backups so it's possible they figured out how to do that without root.

I've been on the IRC channel for a while now but there's currently nobody online to answer questions.

ramjet73

 

[Prinny]

I can confirm what Ramjet says about the RUU. I messed up something big time on my phone, deleting recovery partitions and stuff I shouldn't have. Oops >.> But I got it with the RUU, then just flashed the new recovery. Haven't changed the hboot yet, but meh. Don't need to yet.

 

[ramjet73]

There is no mention of even needing to be rooted, but I'm sure there was at one time. Either that's an oversight or they've changed the controlbear backup process to no longer need root.

Well, I got an answer but I must say that site has gotten pretty unfriendly since "ladyx" joined the unlimited.io team.

No one was answering questions that were being posted on the IRC channel so I posted periodically until she finally came on and said I was being "obnoxious". Then she said they don't help with root and I had to explain that I wasn't asking for help with rooting, just trying to get a clarification as to whether or not it was still required for the JBear wire trick since the current instructions didn't mention that.

She confirmed that root is no longer a requirement for the JBear wire trick and I was trying to copy the messages from the IRC screen when I got kicked off with a message saying to "come back when you need help with S-OFF". That might explain why some users didn't get prompts for superuser access when they did the wire trick.

It would be great if someone who is planning to get S-OFF would try the wire trick after flashing the RUU and doing the HTC unlock just to confirm that root is no longer required.

I'm not pleased with the changes that have occurred at unlimited.io but it's still the easiest way to get S-OFF on the Evo 3D/V, and at least I was able to confirm that root is no longer needed, only the RUU with an HTC unlocked bootloader. That also means you should be able to download and install the OTA after doing the wire trick since the ROM and recovery will still be stock, but I'd recommend keeping the stock hboot when doing that since it's easy to change it later.

Based on my experience and ones that others have had using the unlimited.io support IRC channel recently, I highly recommend that if you decide to use it make sure that you have followed their instructions exactly and don't go there for advice, only if you get stuck using one of their S-OFF tools.

ramjet73

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

So is it implied that root access could mess something up?
I get the feeling that they may not have changed the instructions when I did s-off.

 

[ramjet73]

So is it implied that root access could mess something up?
I get the feeling that they may not have changed the instructions when I did s-off.

I was wondering the same thing but never got a chance to ask that. Given their current posture I think the answer from unlimited.io would be that if it's not required they don't want it. Per their current instructions you are supposed to flash the RUU, HTC unlock the bootloader, then do the wire trick if you want support from them.

ramjet73

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

I'll also add that I've read that some people are given the choice at the end of the S-OFF procedure to keep their current bootloader, or get a j-bear bootloader. I was never given this option. The J-Bear 1.57 bootloader was automatically installed for me.

 

[ramjet73]

I'll also add that I've read that some people are given the choice at the end of the S-OFF procedure to keep their current bootloader, or get a j-bear bootloader. I was never given this option. The J-Bear 1.57 bootloader was automatically installed for me.

Perhaps that was another change they made recently. I don't think that will interfere with installing the OTA which will restore the stock bootloader since that is part of the OTA firmware.

We really need someone to try the process exactly the way it is currently documented by unlimited.io and then report back here with the results. If we don't get any volunteers I may flash the RUU on my backup Evo 3D and set S-ON, then go through their procedure to make sure it works as the unlimited.io website says it should. If it does, it should actually be easier than previous versions.

Unfortunately, I don't have an OTA to flash so at some point I hope an S-ON Evo V user will try the procedure on the unlimited.io website.

ramjet73

 

[ramjet73]

Actually, it just hit me that downloading and installing the OTA after flashing the RUU makes more sense than doing it after the wire trick. Here's the process we need someone who is S-ON and wants S-OFF to try:

1. Relock the bootloader if it's currently unlocked
2. Flash the RUU
3. Download and install the OTA
4. HTC unlock the bootloader
5. Perform the JuopunutBear procedure on unlimited.io
6. Flash custom recovery
7. Flash superuser, restore a nandroid, or install a rooted custom ROM

If the procedure is correct on the unlimited.io website, this should work.

It gets more complicated if an S-ON user has already installed the OTA since they would have to be rooted to downgrade mainver before starting with step 1.

ramjet73

 

[Palmetto Fellow]

Actually, it just hit me that downloading and installing the OTA after flashing the RUU makes more sense than doing it after the wire trick. Here's the process we need someone who is S-ON and wants S-OFF to try:

1. Relock the bootloader if it's currently unlocked
2. Flash the RUU
3. Download and install the OTA
4. HTC unlock the bootloader
5. Perform the JuopunutBear procedure on unlimited.io
6. Flash custom recovery
7. Flash superuser, restore a nandroid, or install a rooted custom ROM

If the procedure is correct on the unlimited.io website, this should work.

It gets more complicated if an S-ON user has already installed the OTA since they would have to be rooted to downgrade mainver before starting with step 1.

ramjet73

This may warrant its own thread. We've sorta hijacked this thread, and a new thread will get more exposure.

 

[ramjet73]

This may warrant its own thread. We've sorta hijacked this thread, and a new thread will get more exposure.

The OP has already resolved his issues but I think this discussion is relevant since it applies to people having questions like his in the future. There's already several threads for JuopunutBear and I hate to open another one.

ramjet73

 

[OverByter]

Yeah, a couple of weeks ago I sent someone over to the Unlimited irc channel and logged in to see if they were getting helped and in less than 5 minutes I was kicked for lurking.
OB

 

[ramjet73]

Yeah, a couple of weeks ago I sent someone over to the Unlimited irc channel and logged in to see if they were getting helped and in less than 5 minutes I was kicked for lurking.
OB

Yea, they don't seem to want people like us finding out how they help users because they would rather do it themselves, but when users come to them they get scolded if they haven't followed their directions exactly.

I'm not sure if it's really a quality control issue or they just want users to become familiar with their website so they might donate, but I guess we can give them the benefit of the doubt.

They are their tools for the most part, although some of the exploits they use were discovered by other developers, and the modified hboots are actually the property of HTC.

ramjet73

 

[HaTrEd360]

The term for those kind of ppl is "Tight asses" lol