I apologize, I let my frustration get the best of me. Not that it excuses it, but my frustration is that one person claimed that they saw a pic from P3Droid that showed only 10GB available to the user, and it spread like wildfire, yet anyone that saw the pic clearly saw 13+ GB. I was further frustrated that an intelligent person such as yourself took that "spec" and ran with it, rather than investigate it yourself.
When I saw the posts (a few others were saying it in the Nexus mega-thread, not just you), I said to myself, "Self, 10GB out of 16GB doesn't sound right, now does it? Let's take a look at this supposed P3Droid pic." And, well, I took a look and saw that the rumor was wrong.
1. Was that a test device or retail?
Does it matter? If retail is adding 3GB of bloat, then Houston, we have a problem! As I said, no Android phone allows for more than 256MB (if even that much) for firmware. 1.5GB-3GB of bloat should send off alarms in your head and say "maybe this source was wrong."
2. The " about 10" accounts for the operational floor of HC and per Android team, the space is the same app and media share setup as HC and not like GB with separate allocations. Apples to apples, there would probably be around 11gb if the 1gb floor is not netted out of usable space.
I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Looking at the Motorola Xoom system dump shows that HC's total package size is 112MB zipped (183MB unpacked). That's with default apps.
. Highly doubt the Nexus will come to VZW unless given the Big Red makeover. If it does come out sans VZW "flair", it will probably be unsubsidized.
I was actually preparing for the worst (what you just said) and hoping for the best. Thankfully, BMX tweeted a few hours ago that Google is handling the updates directly (and thus, no VZW bloat), and this was one of the "musts" that Google required for their Nexus. The closest we're getting to VZW branding on this device is their 4GLTE logo under the camera. MAP shows a subsidized price of $299.99.However, this is unconfirmed, just the current rumor of the moment.
LINK:
http://twitter.com/#!/black_man_x/status/127748960877166592
4. The space is also used for apps, so there is displacement of the space assumed for just media.
Yes, but (if we're still talking about the 3GB difference or "1GB floor"), no combination of default apps takes up that much space. For comparison, the Droid Incredible GB update is LOADED with Verizon bloat, HTC Sense, Sense apps, and Google apps, and was still under 200MB when unpacked. The Xoom, as mentioned, was just over 180MB, and that's HC. The leaked Galaxy Nexus app lists don't show anything out of the ordinary, and due to being a vanilla device, look to have even less space taken up by framework and apps. I'm sorry bud, but everything that's out right now contradicts what you've said. Now, if it releases and there is really only 10/16GB and/or 24/32GB available to the user, believe me, I will publicly eat crow for being wrong.
Apples to apples, we are talking 1gb delta between your point and mine, since both will have issues installing apps with less than 1gb remaining. Even if 13.3gb free, only about 12.3 will be usable, due to the same shared space for apps and media.
I disagree with you on two points here. First, I don't think there will be this 1GB overhead that you're referencing, and we'll see on that (as of now, it doesn't exist on the unit that P3Droid has). Second, even if you are right there, that's a difference of 12.3GB vs 10GB (your stated amount), which is not a difference of simply 1GB. I am trying to be respectful, and I know that you are as well, but it seems as if you like to slowly contradict my points by moving the goal posts on yours. I just want to clarify that you stated that "only 10GB is available" and I'm stating that 13.3GB is available to the user. We'll see who is right, but please don't tell me that we're off by only 1GB, because we aren't.
Two positions ago, I was a senior buyer in business & retail contract manufacturing for connectors, ram, ASICS and CPUs and also negotiated (with a team) pricing and logistics with "several" Asian suppliers. I kind of maybe possibly by chance could remotely know what I am talking about.
With all due respect, you were a buyer, not a designer. I've actually repaired and worked on these chips and their boards under a high-grade microscope. If you want, I'll even email you my transcripts as proof. Your comment is akin to the video game marketing department telling the coder how the game works.
EDIT: Just want to add that I wasn't GOOD at it, just trained at it for one of my first military jobs. I was pretty lazy back then, and you could tell who did what board just by how good (or lousy) the soldering job was. Hint: I was among the worst. I even destroyed a video card on my first personal attempt at modifying one, but successive attempts were pretty nice (replaced an R350 chip with an R360, then flashed the updated bios, resulted in a $400 video card for $200).
I have yet to refute any of your statements nor your positions, since appreciate perspective. You respectfully seem to approach my admitted guesses (though based on some experience) with an absolute furvor that is getting a tad silly.
And again, I apologize for my statements coming off that way. I try to deal in facts (and I usually try to point out posts that are speculation on my part). Your statements came off to me as speculation, so I wanted to post evidence of why I felt that they were wrong. But, the most civil thing will be to wait until the final product is released.
I've been following the big nexus thread (though, I'll skip 20 pages at a time here and there) and a lot of your posts and I didn't see this coming. lol.
