cereal killer
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Unfortunately no there isnt. Pros and cons to every handset and it comes down to whats a priority for you as a consumer.
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Nexus Vs Razr
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Unfortunately no there isnt. Pros and cons to every handset and it comes down to whats a priority for you as a consumer.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
Must admit spec wise a 32gb Nexus with a card slot and Corning glass would come closer than any device to date. Ditto for the Razr, with a 4460, unlocked loader and removable battery. Would have made it 1mm thicker, but still would have been darn slim.
JMO.
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We need the NeXR or RazNX
JMO.
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We need the NeXR or RazNX
huskerkate
Android Enthusiast
i saw this mentioned somewhere else, and wanted to get y'alls take on it... we know that the GNex has NFC, and it's in the battery. it's unknown whether the RAZR could be retrofitted with an NFC battery, but most people seem to think that it can't be. BUT, someone posited the idea that the sdcard for the RAZR could be implanted with NFC, thereby solving the issue. thoughts???
huskerkate
Android Enthusiast
i agree that the NEED to rom has diminished, in light of the power the newer devices have, coupled with the improvements in the OS.
my preference would be to root and theme the device, and not necessarily flash roms. i prefer a darker theme, and think that all that white on the phone looks cheap and blah...
I'm struggling with the big "so what?" of NFC. I'm not thrilled by google wallet or putting all my financial eggs in one basket. I can already do Bump with regular BT. And why would I want to be 300 ft away from my handset while using a headset?
What exactly am I missing?
cereal killer
Android Expert
I agree with this. I have no interest in NFC at all. I don't care if a phone has it or not I won't be using it. Some people like it. To each their own. I'm not judging.
In regards to Bump...D/l'd it. Ever use it in 2 years? Never lol. No longer resides on my handset
huskerkate
Android Enthusiast
i agree that there really isn't much use for it right now. but, we always talk about making sure our devices are "future proof," since we will be stuck with them for 2 years. who knows what uses NFC will have in the next 2 years!? we may get to this time next year, and be screaming for Jha's head (assuming he hasn't already been fired) because he didn't have the foresight to allow the Razr to utilize NFC in the future.
i just wanted to know that IF i decided to go with the Razr, i might be able to utilize NFC in the future, if advancements/improvements warrant it.
rushmore
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sean76
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rushmore
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SmokeNMirrors
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Here's a feature unique to the Razr (well and the iPhone4S) - Bluetooth 4.0 e.g. Low Power Bluetooth. Not a major advantage but something the GNex lacks. Chips made by TI too.
Here's some more info to help pass the time until we can preorder:
TechBits: Low-power Bluetooth; Wi-Fi television - The Washington Post
Bluetooth low energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bluetooth low energy - TI.com
Here's some more info to help pass the time until we can preorder:
TechBits: Low-power Bluetooth; Wi-Fi television - The Washington Post
Bluetooth low energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bluetooth low energy - TI.com
rushmore
Extreme Android User
IMO, a lot of the heat & battery issues are common to all current LTE devices, due to the current LTE chips in them. So far, the Bionic is a little better, but that is all relative
Hoping that due to the slim design of the Razr, Moto has somehow found some ways to be more efficient with the LTE chip. Seems a chance, due to the slim build. Either that or Moto is insane. I will assume they have found a way to be more efficient.
If correct, seems the Razr could have an advantage, since based on the apparent thickness of the Nexus and Rezound, they might have the Charge and Thunderbolt LTE chips in them.
SmokeNMirrors
Well-Known Member
IMO, a lot of the heat & battery issues are common to all current LTE devices, due to the current LTE chips in them. So far, the Bionic is a little better, but that is all relative
Hoping that due to the slim design of the Razr, Moto has somehow found some ways to be more efficient with the LTE chip. Seems a chance, due to the slim build. Either that or Moto is insane. I will assume they have found a way to be more efficient.
If correct, seems the Razr could have an advantage, since based on the apparent thickness of the Nexus and Rezound, they might have the Charge and Thunderbolt LTE chips in them.
Motorola uses their own chips/radios for LTE. This started in the Bionic (likely also a big reason for its delay). It should be thinner and better performing than other chips/radios out there.
Motorola Droid Bionic teardown reveals custom LTE chipset | Ubergizmo
I'm sure the Razr uses the same or better and may also replace the Qualcomm 3G radio with their own. I do know the Jha mentioned the Razr would have, "The best battery of all 4G LTE devices" during the launch event.
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burntorangefan
Android Enthusiast
Reaching...SmokenMirrors starting lean out over the cliff.
Sandroidfan
Android Expert
SmokeNMirrors
Well-Known Member
Reaching? Cliff?!!! Huh? I'm just trying to toss things out there related to Razr vs GNex. I'm trying to make the same decision as everybody else that's looked at this thread - which phone to get... It's not like I'm fabricating stuff.
Oh and adding to the list, the Razr supports GLONASS GPS, the Russian system. Not sure if the GNex does that either. It's on the fact sheet:
DROID RAZR? by Motorola Fact Sheet - Fact Sheets - Motorola Mobility, Inc.
Did I just leap?
I think for me the deciding factor will come down to durability. ICS, locked boot loader, and all the other essentially trivial differences between these two phones come second to will it survive in my pocket? Seriously, some of these spec issues are not worth the panty knotting. My phone has to last a couple years, and if the Razr is at least as snappy as the bionic (with some of the major flaws fixed), then it is essentially the same to me as the Gnex. Yes, there are screen differences, but a great screen that dies in my pocket does me no good. So, if the Razr is the tank we think it is, and doesn't burn up like a road flare, then it will be my next phone.
gapi
Android Expert
I have been reading through here because although I am getting the GN I have always been a Moto fan due to using their various types of hardware in my profession, trying others only to return to Moto every time.
The internal battery is the sole reason I can truly rule it out. Long term surveillance away from a charging source took care of that.
Then the darned GN did the same thing with no SD slot. With an SD slot I could swap em out putting my phone into off-the-job mode. On one card I would have surveillance voice recorded notes, pics videos and confidential contacts. On the off-the-job I could have the non-confidential materials and media on it.
So for me there is no single perfect phone between these two but one that meets my application better than the other.
I want to purchase on launch day but will have to lurk and read how they both perform in the = Signal Strength, Battery Life, Voice Call Quality, GPS, Speaker Phone Clarity and Volume modes. Then Ill begin to decide.
If the GN is so bad in those categories I have to go RAZR so be it but I am afraid the battery issue would have me keeping with the OGuntil another prodigy arrives. As for beauty, nah, I don't look at a phone like that. Screen content is all I see.
The internal battery is the sole reason I can truly rule it out. Long term surveillance away from a charging source took care of that.
Then the darned GN did the same thing with no SD slot. With an SD slot I could swap em out putting my phone into off-the-job mode. On one card I would have surveillance voice recorded notes, pics videos and confidential contacts. On the off-the-job I could have the non-confidential materials and media on it.
So for me there is no single perfect phone between these two but one that meets my application better than the other.
I want to purchase on launch day but will have to lurk and read how they both perform in the = Signal Strength, Battery Life, Voice Call Quality, GPS, Speaker Phone Clarity and Volume modes. Then Ill begin to decide.
If the GN is so bad in those categories I have to go RAZR so be it but I am afraid the battery issue would have me keeping with the OGuntil another prodigy arrives. As for beauty, nah, I don't look at a phone like that. Screen content is all I see.
SmokeNMirrors
Well-Known Member
Agreed, the sealed battery is the only real downside I can see to the Razr. There's an easy workaround, tough, just use external battery packs. It's a bit cumbersome but quite workable.
usb battery pack - Google Search
On the flip side, ICS should support external usb connectivity so you can plug a memory stick into the Gnex. Neither solution is particularly elegant, but for both the batt and SD card issues of both phones, neither is the end of the world.
Personally, I swap batts only when I have no other choice. If much prefer to keep power on and use an external, I'm just too lazy/cheap to get one.
gapi
Android Expert
Thats a thought, I have seen some pretty small USB flash drives that would fit well under the GN.
milkshed27
Member
Nice, one more tick in the pro column for the Razr. Thanks for this.
Been lurking for some time since finding the Gnex thread at about 5k. Bare with me.
My OG (unlimited data) is dying and need a new phone soon, been sitting on an upgrade for sometime. Please respond and correct/add to anything I miss in my observations, I'm just trying to lay out the pro/cons as I see them as there isn't a "perfect" phone for me yet.
To frame this, I cannot get dsl/cable at my house, only 3/4g (which is faster than my shops dsl). I've got a hotspot now but bump up against the 5gig limit every month with trying to keep up with a small business w/o spending more time at the shop than I need. Would love to use my phone as backup for extra gigs as I need them. I can normally get through the day on my OG on one charge, and charging it at night.
4g-wash
bootloaders ect-wash, I want something stable and I don't have enough time to learn how to do this with confidence...I rely on my phone.
Sd-wash, don't use half of my OG's now.
battery-I'm ok with the razr if I can make through the day on one charge. razr has me concerned though that it is overclocked 4430 w/ 2.3.x vs. underclocked 4460 w/4.0 w/hardware acc.
camera-I HATE the camera on my OG, have a 1yo and it is worthless trying to get a picture of her. Gnex has my full attention in this dept. I can see myself using the panorama function as well.
home computing-love the idea of the lapdock. tethering is OK too, but don't want to pay for it and experince with my og and my wifes D2 has been spotty. Razr gets this nod...was hoping the rumors were true about a tabdock for Gnex.
2.3.x vs 4.0-Gnex has got me there as I love the hardware accelleration...if I'm going to have to learn 4.0 I'd rather it now while my shop is slow. Also, my OG is extrememly slow...I need to get to the info I want ASAP. I'm making a big assumption that the Gnex will be better here from the get go...don't want bloat/UI slowing things down. Info at my fingertips now.
GPS-razr here, been happy with my og so far and use it alot. Hopefully Gnex is OK, but have to wait for reports.
Build-I'm hard on phones, but my OG is still kicking (barely)...love the idea of water resistance. Razr.
Looks-could care less.
Display-Gnex due to size. I don't watch vids much, and picture quality isn't important, but size will be nice for web based computing. I assume both will show up in sunlight better than my OG.
Call quality-wash as I assume both will be OK.
Signal-wash my OG exceeds my expectations, so I assume that either will be better.
Upgrades-wash...Gnex will get them faster, but will it have more bugs due to new sw build? Moto doesn't have a good track record, but it is owned by google now...
Availability-Razr...light at the end of the tunnel...Gnex when are you coming?! OG has already begun to dig her grave!
touch screen-both should be better than the OG, but I love the qwerty on the OG...no decent options right now. Which one will be easier to type on?
Errrrrr...help me I need to be productive again! Oh and the Rezhound/vigor is on the radar, but nothing really stands out as a true + over the razr or Gnex
My OG (unlimited data) is dying and need a new phone soon, been sitting on an upgrade for sometime. Please respond and correct/add to anything I miss in my observations, I'm just trying to lay out the pro/cons as I see them as there isn't a "perfect" phone for me yet.
To frame this, I cannot get dsl/cable at my house, only 3/4g (which is faster than my shops dsl). I've got a hotspot now but bump up against the 5gig limit every month with trying to keep up with a small business w/o spending more time at the shop than I need. Would love to use my phone as backup for extra gigs as I need them. I can normally get through the day on my OG on one charge, and charging it at night.
4g-wash
bootloaders ect-wash, I want something stable and I don't have enough time to learn how to do this with confidence...I rely on my phone.
Sd-wash, don't use half of my OG's now.
battery-I'm ok with the razr if I can make through the day on one charge. razr has me concerned though that it is overclocked 4430 w/ 2.3.x vs. underclocked 4460 w/4.0 w/hardware acc.
camera-I HATE the camera on my OG, have a 1yo and it is worthless trying to get a picture of her. Gnex has my full attention in this dept. I can see myself using the panorama function as well.
home computing-love the idea of the lapdock. tethering is OK too, but don't want to pay for it and experince with my og and my wifes D2 has been spotty. Razr gets this nod...was hoping the rumors were true about a tabdock for Gnex.
2.3.x vs 4.0-Gnex has got me there as I love the hardware accelleration...if I'm going to have to learn 4.0 I'd rather it now while my shop is slow. Also, my OG is extrememly slow...I need to get to the info I want ASAP. I'm making a big assumption that the Gnex will be better here from the get go...don't want bloat/UI slowing things down. Info at my fingertips now.
GPS-razr here, been happy with my og so far and use it alot. Hopefully Gnex is OK, but have to wait for reports.
Build-I'm hard on phones, but my OG is still kicking (barely)...love the idea of water resistance. Razr.
Looks-could care less.
Display-Gnex due to size. I don't watch vids much, and picture quality isn't important, but size will be nice for web based computing. I assume both will show up in sunlight better than my OG.
Call quality-wash as I assume both will be OK.
Signal-wash my OG exceeds my expectations, so I assume that either will be better.
Upgrades-wash...Gnex will get them faster, but will it have more bugs due to new sw build? Moto doesn't have a good track record, but it is owned by google now...
Availability-Razr...light at the end of the tunnel...Gnex when are you coming?! OG has already begun to dig her grave!
touch screen-both should be better than the OG, but I love the qwerty on the OG...no decent options right now. Which one will be easier to type on?
Errrrrr...help me I need to be productive again! Oh and the Rezhound/vigor is on the radar, but nothing really stands out as a true + over the razr or Gnex
One term people keep tossing around is the "overclocked 4430". I think that is misleading, unless Moto is run by idiots. Assuming they built the phone to survive essentially a two year update cycle, it is unlikely they are running a regular 4430 hot. That would almost certainly lead to a glitchy phone and a BAD user experience, for some, right out of the box.
I think it is reasonable to assume they have, as others have mentioned, a tweaked 4430 that can natively run 1.2 GHz without fritzing out or getting too hot. We'll know for sure in a few days...
I think it is reasonable to assume they have, as others have mentioned, a tweaked 4430 that can natively run 1.2 GHz without fritzing out or getting too hot. We'll know for sure in a few days...