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NSA Secretly Collecting Phone Records

hilmar2k said:
The court order specifically prevented VZW from disclosure.

So just so we're clear, you want VZW to ignore a court order so you feel better? Are you insane? Why on Earth would they do that? Your issue should be with the NSA, not VZW.
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Legal semantics point as noted above ;) Anyway, it appears our faithful servants in the g-ment have trumped that today with disclosure of even more 1984-ish shenanigans. I bet Verizon is happy for a bigger fish scenario. Seems Verizon is part of an aquarium of whack.
 
Just did a little research.

Customer agreement with vzw

Has the Privacy Policy and a link to the privacy policy.

Verizon | About You - Privacy Policy - Full Privacy Policy

We may disclose information that individually identifies our customers or identifies customer devices in certain circumstances, such as:

  • to comply with valid legal process including subpoenas, court orders or search warrants, and as otherwise authorized by law;


Customers can be upset and it's understandable. However this info is provided to the customers in their customer agreement with vzw. Good luck with getting out of a contract, class action lawsuit, etc etc etc etc etc.
 
ptco911 said:
Nothing to do with tinfoil hats. A massive net haul of ALL Verizon call records is far beyond the need of the NSA. They have gone well beyond the bounds of a FIFA warrant. If the provider hasn't got the fortitude to challenge such an order, they are forfeiting their right to hold contract to their customers that were promised that privacy.
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You may want to review your contract a little further. VZW pretty much has every loophole covered.

And the privacy policy was from 2009-2013 and last updated in March of 2013.
 
The problem is this new techonology we're using. It almost how people don't like Microsoft, Apple, and/or Google for privacy issues. The best thing to do is not use it to really be safe/secure!
 
Politely and respectfully moved this thread Political & Current Affairs forum. Thanks in advance for understanding. :)

Edit: Merged this thread with another.
 
I'm going back too!

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ptco911 said:
I don't see anywhere in their contract that says that this isn't in violation of the agreement between Verizon and customers. I am going to look into a class action law suit against both Verizon and the National Security Agency.
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Actually.... They included an amendment to the FISA that says you can't sue them or the companies for complying.
Also, Sen. Feinstien says this is just a continuation of something that has been going on for the past 7 years.

If you want to know something scarier, Google "NSA PRISM" now that's some f-ed up shizz

And the Senate voted overwhelmingly for this. Only 19 of your senators said "nay"
 
I thought similar court orders had been applied to all US networks and to ISPs and internet companies like Google, Yahoo etc ..?

What I find a bit difficult to understand is why this is suddenly a story now? I'd kind of assumed it had been going on since very shortly after the Patriot Act was passed around 12 years ago - this is exactly what that was designed to enable.

Here in the UK, the two biggest parties are trying to push through laws right now to enable exactly this level of intrusion. The only thing that has stopped this happening so far is the opposition of the Lib-Dems, the junior partner in our coalition government.

Despite the complete absence of any evidence whatsoever that this kind of intrusion would have prevented similar attacks, the Boston bombings and the recent killing of a soldier on the streets of east London are being used as arguments in favour of passing the laws.

Of course, now that it has come to light that exactly this sort of data collection was happening in the US and that the Boston bombings were not stopped we know for sure that these attrocities are actually evidence that this does NOT work: despite the claims of the big data types, we just don't yet have technology capable of making sense of such vast volumes of data - the sheer volume probably increases the chances of us failing to see the wood for the trees.
 
NYankee said:
You may want to review your contract a little further. VZW pretty much has every loophole covered.

And the privacy policy was from 2009-2013 and last updated in March of 2013.
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It appears that way. I only have 90 days to put up with the contract and wasn't really that worried about that. It is just a blatant attack on civil liberties and privacy and both the Government and Verizon are to blame. The judge that signed the warrant should have to explain the reason for such a wide and far reaching net. I don't have anything that I am worried about except the intrusion.

Yes they can hear us now.
 
What I don't understand is people from the UK saying, "what's the big deal, in my country they do it all the time"
Well Mr UK, this is 'Murica, the home of the free, and we don't tolerate government treading on our freedom. This is unacceptable. And as much as I hate to admit it, Sen. Fienstien is correct when she said all members of congress knew about this deal, most of them approved the FISA and it's extension, and the amendments that gave powers without warrants for probable cause. And then you see all these congressmen on TV and the internet saying they're appalled that the NSA would do this. Well you let them!
Only 19 members of the Senate voted "nay" on extending FISA. 19 out of 100.
Democrats, republicans.
 
jova33 said:
What I don't understand is people from the UK saying, "what's the big deal, in my country they do it all the time"
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I've not felt that is the prevailing attitude over here and our proposed "Snoopers' Charter does at least appear to me to have a fair amount of opposition.

Perhaps the most common defence of it seems to me to come from the "if you've got nothing to hide" brigade...
 
That, "if you got nothing to hide..." is such BS.
Well if you've got nothing to hide, why are you wearing clothes? It's not cold out, it's summer, so take off your clothes. Let me look at your bank records, your medical records, your records from school. You've got nothing to hide, right?

It's personal information. If I want to call the phone sex operator, that's my business, not yours, not the government's, or anyone else's besides me and Latisha.

If I've got multiple calls going to the middle east, that would be a cause for investigation, and that was outlined in the original FISA. Then they added that they could monitor all calls made to/from outside the US. Then they kept adding more amendments to the FISA, until now they can monitor all telephony metadata(who you called/texted, what time, and your geographical location) and all internet data.
Their logic, once you transmit or send, it's no longer yours, so it no longer has fourth amendment protection. Your phone records and data belong to the provider, so they don't need a warrant on you to obtain that info.
 
ktchong said:
This is the perfect opportunity to demand Verizon to release you from a contract (if you have one with them.) Yell and scream at Verizon, tell them that is unacceptable, and tell them you no longer want to stay with them because they have already proven that they do not protect customer privacy.
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But what does the agreement you signed say? I have not slogged through the agreement, but my guess is, they are covered in situations like this.

Or not, who knows.

I do know we never read the things we sign so God only knows what is buried in the boilerplate.

And I seriously doubt this will stop with Verizon, so what are you going to do when every carrier succumbs to the NSA?
 
Let us start blaming ourselves. We must pay a price for security, but there is a point where we should have said, STOP IT NOW!!! The bill is too high.

We are only getting what our lack of attention bought us and we do not like the delivery.

We The People had a chance to end much of this but we decided to spend our time Tweeting about our cat, FaceBooking our personal info, worrying about gay Boy Scouts, and playing Call of Duty.
 
dan330 said:
NSA court order forces Verizon to give up sensitive subscriber data

I understand that the NSA needs access to find the terrorist and protect us.
but how far do we let them go?

ok.. it is only Verizon Communication .. not wireless, but wireless is under them. and it is only Verizon for now, that we know of because it is a secret. and it is only a rumor.

I am worried.. that we are losing our privacy and rights....
what are your thoughts?
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Review the new Utah based NSA Data Center. You might be surprised to learn what they are publicly admitting to and then add a few twists via conspiracy aficionados and put two and two together.

The tinfoil wrapped math is scary, Huh?
 
Pre-paid, cash only transactions, change out your pre-paid after a week or so.
The bad guys in Iraq changed their phone every week.
 
I love how our bill of rights is being desecrated over acts that kill less than a hundred people a year (excluding 9/11, of course).
 
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What I find amusing...or sad (I'm not sure) is that our elected government complains to China for hacking our systems...yet the same elected government does the same thing, except to our own citizens. It's all fragged...
 
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