Official Android 2.2 Discussion

[loveandroid]

I see that wavesecure was updated for the arrival of 2.2.
It must be closer then many predict.

 

[mjrweed]

I got my HTC Desire a few weeks ago, and i realy love it, but i have now filled up the internal memory, and cant install any more apps. This REALY sucks. Im considering switching to an iphone 4 right about now, cause it seems froyo wont be coming out for at least a few months at least

Ive considerd rooting the phone, but dont like the fact that it will void my warranty.

 

[dingdong3000]

Ive considerd rooting the phone, but dont like the fact that it will void my warranty.

if when it has a problem you can always unroot it, and that won't void warranty i think

 

[DesirableHTC]

HTC cannot confirm if and when or which devices will receive the 2.2 update, i emailed them today to find out, i suppose this is a standard reply.

 

[loveandroid]

Any update whatsoever I have now comes with a "ready for 2.2".
It must be really near.

 

[Markg]

I'd guess any app worth it's salt has to be ready, think of all the new handsets with 2.2 already installed!

 

[DuongStar]

Is this a bad time to mention whatever happened to the hd record and divx update??

 

[marcjohnson]

Apparently it was rolled out OTA last Wed to some of the Nexus owners in America and then they pulled the plug due to server issues.

 

[Sheshnag]

People should not have their hopes too high on this. Def not hold their breath. Hero was the flagship phone for HTC. How long has Eclair (2.1) been out? Has it come to Hero? It is only starting to trickle to some Hero phones on some network. So do not expect to see Froyo (2.2) on Desire soon.

Actually both HTC and the Network provider has absolutely ZERO incentive to update the software. Why would they? They will just pretend it is coming, sell as many handsets as possible then move on to next phone with newer software. Network providers have already sold the phone so why waste resource on something that is not going to bring in more revenue?

 

[Kendoji]

There's no reason to take such a cynical perspective. There's every reason to believe that HTC have learned a lesson from the Hero, and that they will want 2.2 to become available as soon as possible for all their flagship devices. They're going to be facing stiff competition from Apple and Samsung this year, and can't afford leave their customers waiting too long for 2.2. They have everything to gain by keeping their phones up-to-date (just look at the media reception of the SE X10, largely due to it's 1.6 OS).

Just how much time it will feasibly take is another question, but I have a hunch it will be weeks, rather than months.

 

[Ceefax]

Also have to remember HTC did purchase ABAXIA in order to, and I quote,

The addition of Abaxia deepen and broaden our software development capabilities so that we can innovate at an even faster pace.

Which hopefully means 'Yeh we realise we were cack at getting updates out, this acquisition is to improve that.'

But hey, I love my Desire and the things it can do anyway without 2.2. If need be there's always Cynagen's mod coming out and god knows how many other ROMS for 2.2 working on the Desire.

 

[ukzen]

Is the Sense on the Evo the same as other HTC phones?,i ask because it has been said thatany delay in the update to Froyo will be getting it to work with Sense,so was surprised to read this today .
HTC EVO 4G getting Android 2.2 Froyo very soon - AfterDawn

 

[azz]

If they dont release the update soo. Then I am going to root my phone as I am running out of space

 

[Sheshnag]

I am surprised to see so much positivity around this issue. Has anyone noticed one thing? Before Evo was released there were lots of talk about Desire and Incredible being the first HTC phones to receive Froyo. Since Evo story is different. All talk is about Evo receiving the update. To be honest I have 12 months left on my contract so I will probably have a new phone before Desire has Froyo.

 

[Kyoujin]

I would think that the Froyo updates for HTC phones that have the Snapdragon processor would be released close to each other. The only differences between these phones seem to be differing amounts of RAM and different cameras. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

I'm happy as long as the update actually comes this year, mostly waiting it for the flash 10.1 support. It would be completely ridiculous if HTC wouldn't update the Desire after they've said they would, certainly wouldn't buy another one of their phones, or recommend anyone to buy one.

Slightly off-topic, how often do you people buy a new phone? I've already seen many comments from people who have bought an iPhone, then Desire or another HTC phone and are saying they'll probably buy a new one next year. I'm hoping to actually use this phone for 2-3 years, very happy with it so far.

 

[jonmorris]

There's no reason to take such a cynical perspective. There's every reason to believe that HTC have learned a lesson from the Hero, and that they will want 2.2 to become available as soon as possible for all their flagship devices..

Every reason to believe? Hope more like.

The Hero isn't the first time HTC has not updated a phone. Now, admittedly, in the WinMo days it could come down to issues about memory size and processing power, but nevertheless they didn't roll out updates very often and usually released a successor instead.

The networks want to sell phones. HTC want to build them. To release a great model then update it doesn't make much sense.

Now I will agree that increased competition might be an incentive, but we know that the Desire is now some months old - and the networks will be looking for the models to be ranging in the autumn and run up to Christmas. Therefore, HTC will be pitching to get new models bought - not wanting to give undue extra life to current models.

Call me cynical, but I base my comments on what has happened in the past - not wishful thinking.

HTC isn't the only company. Nokia was/is just as bad. Sony Ericsson has also been dragging its heels - and Samsung; well, look at devices like the I8910 HD which was incredibly bugged, and ended up getting most of the improvements via custom ROMs in the end. Samsung Italy, to be fair, seemed to be more supportive - and that brings up another issue: Support for models in certain regions only. A real nonsense, but I'm sure that if HTC supplies a network with phones, there's a good chance that the network might actually make it clear they DON'T want HTC to issue an update for that variant.

 

[antihippy]

Apple may have shown a change in the game. They release less phones but do keep their existing firmware up to date (and you have to pay for complete iteration increases). So maybe (hopefully) HTC will produce less kit - focusing on quality - and keep existing tech current.

But we can only wait and see.

I think the main reason HTC will update the OS will be because of the limits imposed because you cannot make full use of the SD card. Once Froyo is out I am not so certain that there will be further upgrades.

We may also see the user community (XDADevs?) producing their own roms for keeping the firmware up to date. Frankly losing Sense UI, if HTC stop updating the phones, doesn't strike me as all that big a deal if we go down that route. You could look on it as the Linux mentality.

 

[geemacd]

depends on your outlook I guess ... people saying it aint in the companies best interests to upgrade the software "The networks want to sell phones. HTC want to build them. To release a great model then update it doesn't make much sense." one person said

by the same token... you have uphappy customers for 12-18 months or more ... those customers aint gonna buy your new phone on their next contract at renewal time because of your inability to move faster with the times

and running out of storage space for apps when the whole premise of smart phones is apps is just a huge massive stupid mistake not to rectify

 

[jonmorris]

I've believed that too, especially with contracts now 18 or 24 months almost everywhere.

However, while you or I might think it makes sound business sense to support and therefore not annoy customers - the fact is, customers regularly get messed around by the network operators. Look at the way the networks find more ways to rip off punters on mobile data, at home and especially when roaming.

Sadly, when it comes to some networks (and I won't name names) it does seem that the people at the top have a slightly different attitude. They clearly don't seem to care. You know what? It probably works in most cases too.

It is interesting in that Apple does things different. Like the iPhone or not, Apple has created an eco-system where people know there will only be one model per year (we thought they might expand the range, but in 3 years that hasn't happened) and it does upgrade the software, while cleverly drip feeding the hardware improvements on each model and always keeping some software features back on the last one that gets the update.

People are happy to get a new OS with new things, but still see the next model with better hardware and feel compelled to upgrade. I mean, 3G owners get iOS4 but hardly any of the features that are given if you have a 3GS. You might be pleased Apple updated you, but really - you'll know it's time to move on. When the 'iPhone 5' arrives, 3GS owners will get a very limited upgrade.

 

[Jim255]

Where is the promised divx and 720p recoroding update...Divx was one of the main reasons i switched to the desire...yet HTC have still not released an update. I s there any news about this update or will it be launched in the second half of 2010 with 2.2 froyo...Its frustrating that I have to convert every movie file which takes ages when divx should have been built in....

Fortunately, we are now very close to the second half of 2010!

 

[jonmorris]

Fortunately, we are now very close to the second half of 2010!

Indeed. And it could be anything from July 1st to December 31st.

 

[divaboy]

just use the rockplayer for the divx issue

 

[Deleted User]

Froyo was expected to land 23rd June. That obviously didn't happen. Is there a new date?

 

[beardyweirdy]

HTC isn't the only company. Nokia was/is just as bad. Sony Ericsson has also been dragging its heels - and Samsung; well, look at devices like the I8910 HD which was incredibly bugged, and ended up getting most of the improvements via custom ROMs in the end.

To be fair to Nokia (as a long term Nokia/Symbian user who only recently migrated to the Android and the Desire) I've always found them to be pretty good at putting out firmware updates, both incremental fixes and bigger functionality improving ones. Of late they've definitely had problems with releasing initially unready, buggy firmware, but have pretty reliably issued updates trying to rectify things. They've even issued updates to the N95 (a phone that's now quite a few years old, running 2 generations of OS behind) in the last 6 months. I've typically had at least 2-3 updates available for each of the Nokia phones I've had in the past 7-8 years.

The updates themselves are well advertised and easily done, the biggest problem I tended to have was waiting for my network to make their changes for my specific product code.

By contrast, I was always surprised at how little post-purchase support many other providers offered on, for example, my wife's Samsung phones (she's now seen sense and has also got a Desire!) or my kids' phones from LG and Sony Ericsson.

 

[nofear]

Froyo was expected to land 23rd June. That obviously didn't happen. Is there a new date?

That was never confirmed