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Root **Official** Droid X encrypted bootloader and efuse thread

paul89 said:
I am still gonna buy the phone on the 15th, and after a few months if it hasnt been rooted yet then I will move on to the next best phone from verizon.
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you should be good til the first wave of lte sets hit. regardless of this thread topic, the x is still phenomenal hardware, running the best mobile os
 
2009m6 said:
Honestly, I don't know you but I can easily tell that you have no idea what you are talking about. Seems to me that you're just trying to justify and or relieve your concerns by making things up.....
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You're wrong.

2009m6 said:
The development teams work hard on their projects, and their devotion is clear in many of these roms. If you can sit here and tell me that custom roms offer no improvement and the devs are just wasting there time to change the cooked in launchers ... you really don't have any experience in this topic.
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Read ALL my post then get back to me.
 
Piiman said:
You're wrong.



Read ALL my post then get back to me.
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I dont have to read anything. all i roam is this and the fascinate section, and quite honestly i have read enough.

seriously even if your name was GOD, i wouldnt follow you.So, thanks but ill pass. i have to go watch the grass grow
 
Piiman said:
You are NEVER going to get a BIG corp. to be totally open.

Hasn't every android phone been locked to some degree? I'm assuming you didn't buy those either based on the principles you stated above, right? :rolleyes:If you bought any android phone that you had to hack then I find it hard to believe in what you are claiming. (that you are fighting for a totally open phone) and I'm more inclined to think you're just unhappy this one won't be as easy to hack.

And I've said it myself if you don't like the encrypted bootloader then don't buy the phone simple really. The people claiming they should be able to do what they want with "their phone" are nuts. Why? because Moto makes a "product", In this case it may have an encrypted bootloader that can't be hacked but it's still their product until you buy it. If you decide to buy it you will have to deal with what you get.

nuff said

The bottom line is:
If you don't like their product don't buy it and if you do then you have to deal with what you get.
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We keep talking coming back to "if you don't like it don't buy it" I'm not sure why I already agreed with that. Everyone should speak with their wallet, but also with their voices.

Sure most phones are locked down to a degree. I would own a nexus one or pick up a dev phone if it was a viable option, but given service provider constraints along with other personal limitations I really only have Verizon as an option, so I choose phones are as open as possible from that provider.

Ii'm no open source crusader, no savior of free technology. I just happen to have certain priciples about it and try and live them out as best I practically can. Sometimes I gotta suck it up and give in to the "Man" because things are just more important than my phone, but where and when I can fight, I do fight, because I should fight.

The world doesn't work like my principles and it may not get there soon but thats no reason to give up and not fight for em. Damn it, products should reflect, and ultimately do reflect what we want, we just need to keep our standards up.

BTW I have really enjoyed this thread, a lot of good conversation and it has more or less maintained its civility. Very nice to see on the internet!
 
@izomiac Wow, either you know your stuff or you just talking jibberish...jk. that was a great post.

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mitchellmyler said:
well we keep looking back in what we have done in the past when it came to unlocking computers and phones, if we can have full access to any operating system on any computer, hack into the very security tight xbox 360, and continue to find new ways of bypassing the most secured software with our hackers always a half of step behind the companys only to take a giant leap ahead of them. whether it is someone who worked on the phone or a very skilled hacker we will make a breakthrough and i will give it a month
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Lets hope. But i do know what you mean there are professionals out there and they will figure out a way to get it done and hack the bootloader
 
We need to get George "GEOHOT" Hotz's attention on this, He did all the iPhone stuff and also the PS3 after no one else was able to do so,...

He has GOT to be tiring of the iPhone scene by now and seems to win every challenge that comes his way.


Lets get his attention and pull him over to the darkside. He has GOT to be tiring of the same old iPhone scene by now... anyone with me on this?
 
Deathshead said:
We need to get George "GEOHOT" Hotz's attention on this, He did all the iPhone stuff and also the PS3 after no one else was able to do so,...

He has GOT to be tiring of the iPhone scene by now and seems to win every challenge that comes his way.


Lets get his attention and pull him over to the darkside. He has GOT to be tiring of the same old iPhone scene by now... anyone with me on this?
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yeah man i'm also thinking about getting some of the guys that are behind flashing the xbox 360 to take a break and join the droid army and break the chains so we can release the droid x!!!!

if you have any contact info of these hackers please post so we can send a pleading cry for help
 
Deathshead said:
We need to get George "GEOHOT" Hotz's attention on this, He did all the iPhone stuff and also the PS3 after no one else was able to do so,...

He has GOT to be tiring of the iPhone scene by now and seems to win every challenge that comes his way.


Lets get his attention and pull him over to the darkside. He has GOT to be tiring of the same old iPhone scene by now... anyone with me on this?
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Isn't geohot about 12 years old? I'm not sure he could actually hold a Droid X in his hand, as it's probably too large. Maybe his mom could hold it for him, while he uses two hands to try to hold down the buttons to re-boot.

He's also an arrogant ass, but if you would like to contact him, he's not that hard to track down....

In my opinion, he belongs in the iKid community, and should stay there.
 
dont worry birdman a great hacker has some leads and gives the maximum of 4 months before he him self will find the solution. Also we have some hackers looking to do a custom flash similar to Jtag, only making it simpler to use for the average 17 year old girl to apply it to their phone. Trust me this is the hottest phone out for verizon and looking at the future line up its going to be a real contender, and with all the developers looking to encrypt their phones rather than letting them be open, so we need to find a way now cause this is the future in phone development!
 
bladebarrier said:
Isn't geohot about 12 years old? I'm not sure he could actually hold a Droid X in his hand, as it's probably too large. Maybe his mom could hold it for him, while he uses two hands to try to hold down the buttons to re-boot.

He's also an arrogant ass, but if you would like to contact him, he's not that hard to track down....

In my opinion, he belongs in the iKid community, and should stay there.
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Ha damn what did that guy ever do to you? I sense some jealousy maybe because he is better at what he does then you are
 
CRPercodani said:
Using any type of JTAG procedure isn't going to be very easy unless your comfortable disassembling your phone.
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yes but with new technology comes new methods who knows what we can come up with when it comes to flashing, this is the beginning of a new generation of security methods. think about the hackers who broke the sony, microsoft, and apple's security encryption. There are already guys making breakthroughs with this encryption and its not even out yet. So forget about using the old methods to break through but be anticipated for the new breakthroughs that are soon to come! This phone has proved to be the be all end all and let bring new breakthroughs to release the Droid X beast!
 
Using any type of JTAG procedure isn't going to be very easy unless your comfortable disassembling your phone.
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yes but with new technology comes new methods who knows what we can come up with when it comes to flashing, this is the beginning of a new generation of security methods. think about the hackers who broke the sony, microsoft, and apple's security encryption. There are already guys making breakthroughs with this encryption and its not even out yet. So forget about using the old methods to break through but be anticipated for the new breakthroughs that are soon to come! This phone has proved to be the be all end all and let bring new breakthroughs to release the Droid X beast!
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+1
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I'm all for new methods of hacking but JTAG simply isn't something you can do without taking apart your phone and finding the ports for it.
 
izomiac said:
Interesting. Now I'm starting to get curious about what people mean by "encrypted bootloader". Obviously it contains byte code, otherwise the OMAP wouldn't do anything when you turn it on. Now, there are full disk encryption methods, but with a stored password (since you aren't providing one at power-on), this is obfuscation at best and kinda pointless. My guess is that the bootloader simply verifies the hash and cryptographic signature of images before flashing them, which is generally a good idea. It could do that every boot and give you the bird and refuse to boot if it doesn't match, but, IIRC, phones often use YAFFS, which is sorta rewritable, and would change the hash every time the phone booted.

Now, that brings us to what it prevents. It sounds to this newbie like all that would hinder is using the boot loader to rewrite the flash. But there should be other ways to do that, given root access, and at least a few of these approaches should work. (NB: I don't actually have a smartphone yet, so I'm speaking from my experience with other devices.)

  1. You could obviously use JTAG, which lets you do just about anything, but it's way too involved for the average user to attempt.
  2. You could flash from a rooted Linux using mtd or similar, which seems like the best bet.
  3. You could overwrite the existing root much like upgrading desktop Linux.
  4. You could modify the bootscript to chroot to the SD card and install whatever you want there.
  5. You could run a new kernel in userland.
  6. You could read the bootloader, extract the key, and see if it's of a crackable type (e.g. factoring a short RSA key with a distributed cluster of volunteers), which is likely given that it's an embedded device.
  7. You could generate a hash collision with a custom ROM, and the bootloader would be none-the-wiser.
  8. You could replace the key with your own by rewriting those sectors in the flash.
  9. You could just reflash the bootloader with an open source one (e.g. based on the Pandora's, which uses a similar OMAP SOC and also runs Linux).
In theory, since we have physical access to the hardware, there is no way to completely lock us out. DRM is annoying and complicated, but offers zero cryptographic protection.
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Great post. I thought about 6,7, and 8 the other day but didnt know if it applied here. 4 and 9 are interesting......I was gonna add try downgrading the bootloader too if this one on the X is a higher version. Or replace it with the one on the Droid. Or would that involve JTAG?

And I agree JTAG is too involved and even if that was possible, I dont think everyone that runs custom ROMs now would even attempt it.

Deathshead said:
We need to get George "GEOHOT" Hotz's attention on this, He did all the iPhone stuff and also the PS3 after no one else was able to do so,...

He has GOT to be tiring of the iPhone scene by now and seems to win every challenge that comes his way.


Lets get his attention and pull him over to the darkside. He has GOT to be tiring of the same old iPhone scene by now... anyone with me on this?
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I just found out about the PS3 recently. We need him onboard....

mitchellmyler said:
yeah man i'm also thinking about getting some of the guys that are behind flashing the xbox 360 to take a break and join the droid army and break the chains so we can release the droid x!!!!

if you have any contact info of these hackers please post so we can send a pleading cry for help
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ce4eva, paging ce4eva, please respond........lol

I do wanna say if it doesnt get unlocked it wont deter me from buying it. It didnt stop me from buying the PS3. It looks like it will be a great phone.
 
ckochinsky125 said:
Lets just hope we can get some of those guys on board to work to try and crack the bootloader
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who doesnt want a good challenge from time to time? if you break it you become a hero in the droid community.

also if it helps any, there was a thread with pictures of a dissembled droid and stating that it really was not that hard, it just requires a t4 screwdriver.

it seems like only die hard fans want the droid x to be hacked so im sure if it came down to it they might consider it if they had a very good and reliable tutorial to follow along with. look at the xbox 360 and all the people who were willing to take apart there 360 and flash it.

but thats just a start, we can build off of this, there are phone hackers out there saying its possible. they say its hard but thats what they want! they want something to do for the next few weeks that would make them famous in the droid community! now I myself being a Xbox 360 hacker/flasher have developed enough motivation to start and gather information on flashing the droid x! I'm going to go ahead and start studying a procedure in my eyes that would work.

also another thing to look at is the usb port, there may be a way to gain access to the roms through the usb port in order to flash it. it wont hurt to look into it, as the hdmi port to me would seem unlikey to aid us in any way but who knows.

ill collect some info and post what i have found here as i get it!
 
yeah i mean anybody that is at all competitive wants to be the first to do something for one it brings recognition and sometimes even money along with it. I'm sure they are out there working now to figure it out
 
ckochinsky125 said:
yeah i mean anybody that is at all competitive wants to be the first to do something for one it brings recognition and sometimes even money along with it. I'm sure they are out there working now to figure it out
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and i would rather have them out there working on a quick fix then spending time on here with us wasting there time by telling us what there progress is
 
OP updated with some pretty bad news (from what I can tell). Even if we do gain root access, I may be terrified to even try rooting! You heard correctly, we aren't even talking about the boot loader right now, we're talking about root. ....fml

Now if I'm understanding the second link I posted in today's OP update, I think it's just about time to quote myself (from way back on page 2).

kwest12 said:
.......if we sit idly by while Motorola and Verizon strip Android of the freedom it's known for, they'll continue to do it. Next thing you know, we're going the hear that the next round of VZW/Moto phones have a way of preventing us from gaining root access all together........
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It's like I can see the future! Pretty creepy right? lol..... But seriously, it's pretty apparent that Moto is headed in that direction. I suggest people take a look at the post that I just quoted if they haven't seen it already.
 
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