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Root **Official** Droid X encrypted bootloader and efuse thread

arcturussage said:
Why would motorola (or any company) encrypt or lock the phone? People still have to pay money to get the phone, motorola still makes money off the sale of the phone.

It's not like videogame piracy where one person buy's the phone and cracks it so a million others can use it for free.
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because they want you to use the phone the way they want you to use it. Why would they spend all this money developing and promoting a mobile hot spot app that requires a 20 dollar a month subscription, if you just open up the device and let people hack there way to doing it for free. Should it be free in the first place? HELL YES IT SHOULD!!!! But are they going to try to make money off of it? you betcha
 
arcturussage said:
Why would motorola (or any company) encrypt or lock the phone? People still have to pay money to get the phone, motorola still makes money off the sale of the phone.

It's not like videogame piracy where one person buy's the phone and cracks it so a million others can use it for free.
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IMO its probably an ego thing. They don't want to get shown up by dev's who can take their software and make is so much better than they can. Im guessing thats the case, but not sure. Kinda like how HTC dev's take those mods and make them 10times better than what HTC releases. I guess those execs dont like being made to look foolish, but seems HTC doesn't seem to mind. Because in less than a month for example the EVO has been taken to new levels by the dev's and now anything that was looked at as a con, has been fixed, enhanced and even new stuff added. Motorola probably wants to control all of that on their end.
 
jreed2560 said:
because they want you to use the phone the way they want you to use it. Why would they spend all this money developing and promoting a mobile hot spot app that requires a 20 dollar a month subscription, if you just open up the device and let people hack there way to doing it for free. Should it be free in the first place? HELL YES IT SHOULD!!!! But are they going to try to make money off of it? you betcha
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FWIW isn't that money going to VZW? ;)
 
bemymonkey said:
If you look at Piiman's earlier replies to my posts, you'll see that this is his way of trying to make you look like an idiot without actually contributing any information to further his own argument. It's the Android-Forums equivalent of "So's your face!"


Great post further up, by the way.
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LOL got me! :rolleyes:
 
jreed2560 said:
The unveiling of the Android distribution on 5 November 2007 was announced with the founding of the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of 71 hardware, software, and telecom companies devoted to advancing open standards for mobile devices.[12][13] Google released most of the Android code under the Apache License, a free software and open source license.[14]

from wikipedia
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And this has what to do with the hardware it runs on? :confused:
 
jreed2560 said:
initially it would, but where do you think verizon gets the money to pay motorola for the phone? And I'm betting that carriers have a huge say in whether or not they allow phones to be open or not.
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I'm not sure how it works for android but VZW did used to (and I think still does) allow their "dumb phones" to be customized for them. But I know RIM for example just sends the OS as is to Verizon to "approve" prior to them releasing the update for that carrier. VZW does not have much say in how that is done. If it was up to big red they would take over the OS I'm sure.

I would be willing to hedge my bets on the fact that this is 99% Motorola's call as far as if they want to encrypt the BL or not but I'm not on the inside so I can't say for sure.
 
jreed2560 said:
the bootloader isn't the hardware there genius
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WOW
1. Who said anything about the bootloader?
2. Is the bootloader part of the Android OS?
3. My question still stands genius

4. never mind it's time to unsubscribe from this thread as it seems to be taking a nasty turn.
 
i'm not being nasty, just having a logical debate, but ok have a great time with your x. one last parting gift. The ENTIRE thread is about the freakin bootloader.
 
VIO said:
I think what is emerging here is not a lot of "whining" about an encrypted bootloader (from those of us who are angry about it) but rather an expression of a principled rejection.

Many of us feel that an encrypted bootloader is an affront (perhaps too strong of a word) to the Android ethos--that of an open, free and available mobile platform. Sure Motorola is doing nothing 'wrong' they are perfectly entitled to encrypt whatever they like. That doesn't mean that I have to be OK with it.

Frankly, my "not being OK with it" it exactly the spirit that this type of open source platform encourages and perhaps demands. We believe that this, and all technology should be open, it should reflect our desires not Motorola's, because it is our phone. If we do not stand up for our "technological rights" (don't take that too far people) we will be told what we can and cannot have.

I understand that others do not care (tho I think you should) and that is your prerogative. But the time to fight against policies that you, in principle, disagree with is when are are being made, not after they are made. It is before it gets so restrictive that you have no chance anymore.

is it a big deal? In one sense no, its a fricken phone who cares. on the other hand it may be a bigger deal then we are making it.
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You can really get people jacked up! :D
 
Piiman said:
The '"platform" is still open it's Motorola's phone that isn't and no one has said you have to be ok with it. Matter of fact I don't think anyone here as said anything like that.

I am courious though as to what part of the Android platform says that devices it gets used on also have to be open? :confused: because that is never going to fly with the big boys.

To be clear I am all for being able to open up the phone but if I can't I'm good with it. I also don't believe their is some "right" that devices with the Android OS installed on it has to be easy to hack.

And as far as the "hacker Creed" goes well Motorola has just laid down a challenge to you, smarter than average geeks, now get to it and earn your "advanced hacker" badge!

But hey that's just me. :D
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I agree with you no where does it say that devices need to be open. Thats not the point. We aren't angry that someone broke the rules.

The point is that we don't want encrypted phones, we feel that the technological world is better with unencrypted bootloaders than one where it (among other things) is. In principle we have a problem with it, so In principle I will argue against it and not support it.

I'm not looking for phones that are easy to hack I'm looking for ones where we don't have to! This isn't Android specific, or phone specific for that matter.

No I cannot be happy with whatever I get because If I don't fight for an open environment it won't happen. I mean that too; if the bootloader is encrypted I will not buy one
 
thanks for bringing focus to my argument. sometimes I just can't seem to find the words when I get passionate about something. I will buy this phone, because what it can do out of the box is amazing. I hope it can be hacked, but I like you look forward to the day when that is no longer the issue. When phones wont need to be hacked to do the things we want them to do. I never said that any hardware android is implemented on should be completely open. I only stated that when android was introduced to the mobile community, it was promised to bring forth a new open era in handset development. And as of this day, the Droid and N1 are pretty much all thats out there.
 
VIO said:
No I cannot be happy with whatever I get because If I don't fight for an open environment it won't happen. I mean that too; if the bootloader is encrypted I will not buy one
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This is exactly my point. IF it is determined that the BL is signed then if you are that set against it don't buy the phone. I don't know why this thread has exploded as it seems like the simplest answer to me.
 
Of course not buying it is the appropriate reaction - the problem is that most prospective buyers won't know until it's too late... which is exactly what happened to me and tons of other people who bought the Milestone. Didn't notice until my return period was long gone...
 
jreed2560 said:
thanks for bringing focus to my argument. sometimes I just can't seem to find the words when I get passionate about something. I will buy this phone, because what it can do out of the box is amazing. I hope it can be hacked, but I like you look forward to the day when that is no longer the issue. When phones wont need to be hacked to do the things we want them to do. I never said that any hardware android is implemented on should be completely open. I only stated that when android was introduced to the mobile community, it was promised to bring forth a new open era in handset development. And as of this day, the Droid and N1 are pretty much all thats out there.
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i`d like to echo this :)
from what i`ve seen it has what i want out the box.
except sense....
though! i`ve since found the banned beautiful widgets .apk`s so...im good! :)
im thinking of extracting an htc evo rom and see if its an .apk for the animated weather widget...which is what i really want...and know i probably wont get it until a custom rom is on the x. BUT!
its only for show so...i can live without it :)
 
bemymonkey said:
Of course not buying it is the appropriate reaction - the problem is that most prospective buyers won't know until it's too late... which is exactly what happened to me and tons of other people who bought the Milestone. Didn't notice until my return period was long gone...
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Then you should understand why this thread may come off as "whining" to some on both sides of this (not to me, I'm more indifferent). This is posted on a well known android forum and is going on and on back and forth about manufacturers vs carriers vs google...... the simple fact is that if you are here then you probably have the skills to do the research about your phone, you are probably technically savvy enough to make your own informed choices. And in all honesty, people outside of this... phone hobby, for lack of a better term..... likely don't care if it is a signed BL or not.

I also kind of feel that there was some hope in this thread that was glossed over here... http://androidforums.com/motorola-d...hing-roms-abandon-all-hope-4.html#post1077548

FWIW, like I said, I'm pretty indifferent about it. I'm in this thread mostly for informational purposes so I can store it for a rainy day. :)
 
because that way people expect other people to be like buy the phone even if the bl is encrypted. If it is dont buy the phone simple as that. No need to make a big deal about it
 
I think this article (“BuglessBeast” Android 2.2 ROM for Motorola Droid Reaches 40,000 Downloads in One Week | Android Phone Fans ) helps inform why this thread is seeing a lot of action: people want custom ROMs and want them bad.

I think this paragraph/sentence is particularly important:
"True, millions of Droids have been sold, so 40,000-ish may be a drop in the bucket, but considering Peter Alfonso also offered a completely unmodified version of Android 2.2 for the Droid at the same time that only garnered about 1,000 downloads, it shows this number wasn
 
ckochinsky125 said:
because that way people expect other people to be like buy the phone even if the bl is encrypted. If it is dont buy the phone simple as that. No need to make a big deal about it
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While I personally agree with your purchasing recommendations I don't agree that we shouldn't make a big deal about it.

We should make something of this because we want it changed.

It was said above this is ultimately a very simple issue, I agree. That doesn't mean it is or it should be, a quiet one. I speak with my wallet along with my voice; both are important. But regardless of whether we buy it or not that doesn't change the fact that this is something we want changed. I say speak to that end!

Sure this is a small "injustice" compared to the unheard of amounts of bigger injustices in the world but, in our view an injustice nonetheless, so we speak up about it.

Practically there does seem to be some hope even in the case of an encrypted BL. Hopefully it is quick! but given how poorly "hacks" on other phones cross over to different hardware i would imagine devs would be starting from zero again.

@everyone who thought my words were helpful, thank you. I do my best towards the aim of civil, constructive discussion.
 
Another excellent post VIO, thanks for your continued input. You express yourself extremely well and you seem to be quite objective. Well done.
 
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