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***Official HTC Incredible Thread***
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Nashdroid
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I don't think he's trying to be a "dick" to you. I think he just thinks you need to be a little more mature about the situation. Verizon is a business. They have a business plan that is planned WAY in advance and they have to stick to it. Just because they don't release a phone right when you (or I) want it, is not cause to say "F you Verizon! I hate you! I'm leaving and going to your competition" or something like that. Trust me, executives at Verizon know just what they're doing, and for all of the people who have caved and bought an Eris or a DROID this week, good for you. That's just fine. However, it's also just what Verizon wants you to do. Verizon is making money regardless. Not to seem tacky or like I'm being a "dick," your words not mine, but Verizon doesn't care what you (or I) want. They could care less. The corporate guys who are making decisions are doing so based on the best way to make profits and to MAXIMIZE profits. Believe me, Verizon knows what they're doing and the way they're trickling out phones and stretching their sales window/profits as far as they possibly can, is a VERY smart approach. Get the most bang for your buck. That's what they're doing.
There is just simply no REAL reason to be upset or mad at Verizon. It's so ridiculous to think that any of us would be mad, that when I see some of these posts saying they hate Verizon or "F&%$ you Verizon" I seriously, at first, think that they're just being funny. Then I realize that they're serious and I'm just sitting here thinking how silly it is to be mad at a wireless provider for not giving us our phone right when we want it. I understand the frustration, but come on... It's like a 3 year old throwing a fit because they want a toy at Walmart and can't have it.
So...that's what he is getting at. Let's just all calm down and be mature about this. We all seem to be educated, responsible adults. So, let's just go grab a cold beer, sit back and relax and wait for the Incredible to come out. That's what I'm, personally, doing. Just be patient. Everything's gonna be alright.
Nashdroid
Android Expert
Wow...
kyler13
Android Expert
The Devour is for people who are fine with the Eris and want the physical keyboard. I'm not fine with the Eris, nor do I want the physical keyboard. As for the others, you have no idea when they will be released. Spring/Q2 runs into June. The N1 and/or incredible could be here as late as the end of May or beginning of June. That's one hell of a span from early Nov 2009. I hope that's not the case, but this is Verizon and you never know. They haven't exactly earned a reputation for releasing devices sooner than you expect.
Like I said before, the dagger week after week is all the new phones, rumors, and announcements that AREN'T on Verizon. What do I know? The Xperia X10 is a month or so away on AT&T. HTC phones due in the next two months. T-Mobile has the HD2 coming out in a month, and Bravo around the corner. Nexus One is nearly 2 months old on T-Mobile. My frustrations have built over months and months. I'm just tired of hanging by a thread with my phone. I'm not exactly enamored with how the mobile market works in this country. Considering one tends to have to "settle" for something that half meets their needs/wants because the US is a good 6 months behind the rest of the world, a whopping two year contract just to get a good price isn't that attractive. I liken it to a 300 lap NASCAR race where they make you sit in the pit until everyone else hits lap 75. No thanks.
Great points...
Lets also not forget that there are major contacts between the manufacturers and wireless companies for each device. Committing to sell a certain number of devices and etc... They also need time to produce these devices before they sell them.
Verizon is a business, and the sole purpose of any business is to make money.
Lets also not forget that there are major contacts between the manufacturers and wireless companies for each device. Committing to sell a certain number of devices and etc... They also need time to produce these devices before they sell them.
Verizon is a business, and the sole purpose of any business is to make money.
1) Droid
2) Droid Eris
3) Devour
4) Nexus
5) Vphone
6) Incredible
Oh and the "Go **** yourself" private message, classy.
kyler13 said:
So because you buy into the hype of new devices, its the carriers fault? The nexus came to the US first as do many new devices... Sorry I think your comments are a bit off base here.
If you dieing for a phone pickup a used Eris for a bit... Its a good phone and will get 2.1 soon.
Nashdroid
Android Expert
EXACTLY! Come on guys, we are smarter than this in here. We all know, just as said above, that there is SO much more to this than just releasing a phone. Contracts, quotas, commitments and legal issues. They can't just release a phone when they want to, they have release schedules and they have set release dates that they've planned FAR in advance so that they don't conflict with other device releases.
I'm in the music business, and when it's time for a record label to release an album they don't just release it a few weeks after it's done. They have a release date set in stone at least 6 months in advance, at least. This is because they want to maximize their advertising campaign dollars that they've spent, which are developed WAY in advance and maximize other monetary expenditures that are tied into releasing an album. The phone industry is no different. Verizon has a plan and they're sticking to it. We just don't know the plan, and the only reason we have hints and, why some of us are so upset, is because there has been leaks.
Without leaks, in a perfect world, this forum wouldn't even exist because we'd all be clueless. So, just be happy that there are leaks so that we can at least hang out in here and talk theories and stuff. Verizon owes us no pre-release tips or leaks. Heck, we have spy pics and video of the Incredible. That's WAY more than we should have even expected, if anything.
i mean in reality those phones are weak minus the nexus (cant say anythin about the vphone cause i dont know the specs) sure its nice to have really good coverage but i mean come on is it too much to ask to have good coverage AND quality high end phones? i feel like if verizon has always been slacking with the high end phones since i started using their business MANY years ago. and think about it what reasons do they have to NOT have some? i feel like if they did they would be CRUSHING it and have a larger market share
sure you could go ahead and overclock your motodroid but i feel like i should have the option of buying a nice phone without having to flash it, jail break it, overclock it..what have you.
sure you could go ahead and overclock your motodroid but i feel like i should have the option of buying a nice phone without having to flash it, jail break it, overclock it..what have you.
Nashdroid
Android Expert
Well cool. So...I would suggest you might want to retract the words that you called Mykpfsu, because he's a great guy and a very valuable member of the forum. He's, honestly, maybe the smartest and most knowledgeable members in here. It was just a misunderstanding, but I'd take back the words you called him and apologize. Fair enough? I think we're all kinda cooled down now. Let's just all be civil and rational. I know it's hard to sometimes, but we've got to for the sake of this thread. It's been going GREAT in here so far. Let's all try to keep it that way. I'm sure that's something we can all agree on.
heyeaglefn
Android Enthusiast
Wow this got nasty
While Verizon maybe a tad behind on Android devices, tough to bank on a open source OS, I do not agree they have not offered cutting edge devices over the years... The storm is just an example.
I realise the Devour is more for the tween set. But when the topic is that the Droid is the ONLY option that Verizon is pushing, all android phones must come up.
As for other carriers. Its not really Verizon being passed, but others catching up. There are only 2 Android 2.0 phones. Verizon had the first and only one you can get real support for. So other companies want 2.0 phones. Yes tmobile will have some nice phones, because they'd rather pay money for such agreements then on their network (and realise making their network "faster" is akin to adding nitrous to a Nissan Leaf, it will get you nowhere but you'll go really fast). Verizon has other priorities and Tmobile has shown with the Nexus One their network aint much of a showcase. Yet withing a few months Verizon will have the Incredible and the Nexus One and possibly the Vphone for those people who want a Droid but cant live without hard buttons. Yes they're not as well spec'd as the Desire. But unless you are running into people with the Desire you're never going to notice.
I realise frustrations. Hell I bought a Droid so I could look at the leaked pics of the Incredible the very next day. But how do I fault Verizon for not doing something they'd never said they'd do? Did they make some promise to their customers to always have the bleeding edge best phones that I missed or something?
Amen brother...
grokr989
Well-Known Member
I'm sure most of you know this already. While down here in Florida I figured I'd stop by a Verizon Corporate store since the people down here are nicer than back in NJ and I figure I might get a straight answer. I asked about the release date for the HTC Incredible. The sales rep. said; The truth is that corporate doesn't tell us about the release date for new phones because you guys would go online and talk about it and corporate does not want that since it messes with their plans. He said that we would know when any new phones would come out sooner than him because people higher up in corporate have loose lips and it leaks online. Not what I wanted to hear. But, probably the truth.
Bottom line, your neighborhood verizon rep doesn't know more than us about release dates.
kyler13
Android Expert
No, some of those are officially announced. It's not just a recent trend. Verizon says nothing until the last minute whereas some carriers (ie T-Mobile and Sprint) will tell you a good month or more that somethings coming up. I mean, the N1 Verizon announcement is like the exception to the rule here.
I shouldn't have to be troubled with having to scour the used phone market for a good deal, hope it's not too good to be true, and then be on the hook for flipping it later when my desired phone comes. Again, no thanks. It's a low cost alternative, but it's still extraneous cost that I don't see as necessary. Yeah, I want a smartphone to upgrade what I can do, but make no mistake about it...I'm not dying for a new phone, my current phone is simply dying. I've had this razr for 4 years (almost) and I haven't seen a single phone hit on Verizon that's been worth both the 2 year contract and price at release time, at least not yet. They're getting close, still not there. As long as my razr holds on, I'm fine. But to be honest, I'm living on borrowed time here and I'll be an unhappy camper if I have to fall back to the 6 year old samsung flip we have as a spare. I'm happy with Verizon service, but it's not light years ahead of the competition. If I'm backed into a corner, I will explore other options (carriers). I'd rather not, though.
Ruben
Android Expert
Wow. I huge storm hit and I'm so glad it's over. Bad metaphor, but you get the point.
I know that I say that I want the Bravo a lot...yes A LOT, but I don't think we have any reason to get all up in arms. Can you imagine what we look like to people who don't understand all this? The average consumer that goes to VZW for an hour with no research and gets a phone? lol bad...the answer is bad. But I think that it is great that instead of an hour in the store with no research we wait months with hours of information about the phone we want.
Sure, we might get the Desire, but I bet the Incredible is VZW's version of the Desire. You know, HTC HERO -> HTC ERIS. Same specs, so I guess we could hold out. And that ugly back? I don't think it's final at all. Remember how the Bravo looked super different than it does now? It changed into something better. I mean, c'mon. If a majority of this forum hates how the back looks, don't you think a professional designer might have that feeling too?
I know that I say that I want the Bravo a lot...yes A LOT, but I don't think we have any reason to get all up in arms. Can you imagine what we look like to people who don't understand all this? The average consumer that goes to VZW for an hour with no research and gets a phone? lol bad...the answer is bad. But I think that it is great that instead of an hour in the store with no research we wait months with hours of information about the phone we want.
Sure, we might get the Desire, but I bet the Incredible is VZW's version of the Desire. You know, HTC HERO -> HTC ERIS. Same specs, so I guess we could hold out. And that ugly back? I don't think it's final at all. Remember how the Bravo looked super different than it does now? It changed into something better. I mean, c'mon. If a majority of this forum hates how the back looks, don't you think a professional designer might have that feeling too?
Sasquatch
Member
WTF happened in here? 
I want an HTC phone running Android w/a little more oomph then the Eris...I really don't think that is crazy talk and as for me personally, I am not a "I need the latest and greatest" type person. I'm still using a 3yr old Samsung Juke for goodness sake. For me though I'm at the point where I'm thinking, "How bad can T-Mobile be compared to VZW in and around Portland, OR? I could get the Nexus 1 NOW or wait a little longer and get the Bravo/Desire. Maybe there will be news on the Incredible before then, maybe not.
I want an HTC phone running Android w/a little more oomph then the Eris...I really don't think that is crazy talk and as for me personally, I am not a "I need the latest and greatest" type person. I'm still using a 3yr old Samsung Juke for goodness sake. For me though I'm at the point where I'm thinking, "How bad can T-Mobile be compared to VZW in and around Portland, OR? I could get the Nexus 1 NOW or wait a little longer and get the Bravo/Desire. Maybe there will be news on the Incredible before then, maybe not.
kyler13
Android Expert
I suppose I expected change. I got caught up in the Google presser, the Droid launch in NYC and the words of some of the reps from that presser. Also, the "solid BGR connect" that said Verizon was pushing for the "best network, best smartphones" by releasing a number of phones by the holiday 2009. Seems that they're sticking with simply "best network". I mean, if you're not looking for budget, your choice is the Droid only, and let's be straight here. The concept of "one choice" is a bit of an oxymoron.
I've seen a couple times now where people keep touting the "this is a business" excuse for Verizon taking their time to release things. Well, let me be frank when I say times have changed and while we'd like things to be thoroughly tested before release, the constant evolution of technology no longer permits long development cycles. Across the board, most companies must push things out the door, and yes that means more problems for consumers. That's the nature of constantly pushing the envelope. Verizon built a rock solid network so they, for one, could buck the trend by taking their dear old time, something most others can't afford, in the mobile, TV, computer, etc markets alike. The only problem I see with this is that Samsung, HTC, others push the phones out the door, then Verizon tests it ad nauseum as the hardware ages in the technology timeline. Hence the issue with getting 6 month old technology with Verizon, and the compounding issue of tacking on at least 20 months before you're eligible for an upgrade. Case in point, 18 month contracts in the UK and free phones look much more attractive than here. Software features push the envelope and that's what dictates the need for better hardware. What's the point of having something reliable that's been tested for a good 6 months if it starts to become sluggish with the software updates/apps that are constantly pushed or downloaded to the phone? Sorry for the rambling.
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