compchick813
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Agreed, I use the car dock for my DX almost daily.
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Agreed, I use the car dock for my DX almost daily.
I got a text notification for the Incredible on my Incredible. Granted I got my Incredible the day before launch (pre-order), but it baffles me as to why they don't send them out the night before. If there was a rush on the device you'd get the notification, get to the store and they'd be sold out.
CaseyKees
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It looks like the date for the RAZR has been changed. Wish they would move up the date for the Vigor/Rezound! Would the fact that a phone is available for pre-order have any effect on the dates listed on these??
Galaxy Nexus, HTC Rezound (still) bound for Verizon on November 10th, Droid RAZR bumped to October? -- Engadget
Galaxy Nexus, HTC Rezound (still) bound for Verizon on November 10th, Droid RAZR bumped to October? -- Engadget
hovercraftdriver25
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TxGoat
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I wonder what prompted them to bump up the release date. I hope the extra 2 weeks' head start that this phone has doesn't tempt me into jumping off the Rezound bandwagon.
jikhead
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I think it's obvious that VW really likes their relationship with MOTO. I wouldn't be suprised that VW is doing it to allow MOTO to have that one extra week's headstart to gain sells over the Rezound and the G Nexus.
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TxGoat
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If that were the case then HTC should really push for ICS on the Rezound and attempt to knock one out of the ballpark with the Rezound. Of course considering the Thunderbolt's release and overall launch was a flop IMO I'm sure they don't care either way.
BabyBlues
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I think they made a decision to announce the Nexus ahead of schedule due to pressure from customers and in order to make sure their plan of thhe razr being their hot seller they may move up the dates on that as well. All conjecture on my part.
Blackthanos
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cybertec69
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I own the Incredible with the extended verizon battery and back cover, and my Seidio clip on holster fits it like a charm, I am sure Seidio will make a holster that will fit the extended battery cover for the Rezound.
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TxGoat
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Considering that they still don't have a workable Gingerbread for the Thunderbolt, I am not going to hold my breath.
Does it seem to anyone else that HTC likes to ptend the TBolt never happened?
Much like the Fascinate with Samsung.
Blackthanos
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Well at this point I suppose everyone has their own point of view and their own reasons for feeling the way they do about this subject. I'm really not on either side. I prefer to have the wait and see prospective. When the new iphone was announced everyone was sure it was the iphone 5 and it would have everything but the kitchen sink in it....WRONG. Then came the Galaxy Nexus and ICS. Everyone was positive that not only would ICS be the best thing since sliced bread but that the Galaxy Nexus would be light years ahead of any existing phone on the market...WRONG. So now it's time for people to speculate on the Vigor. After the roller coaster ride of the previously mentioned devices I think we all should have learned a lesson. What lesson? The lesson of "wait and see". We are all android phone enthusiast. I don't see why we need to put one phone down in order to try to lift another one up. Just let people enjoy THEIR phone for whatever reason they chose to get it and you enjoy yours. To dream the impossible dream huh..lol
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Not sure why so many people are upset about not getting Gingerbread. Its not like it is a game changer. 2.1 to 2.2 was a pretty big improvement. 2.2 to 2.3 isn't a very big difference (that I can see). My wifes Incredible 2 is on 2.3 and I am on my original Incredible on 2.2. To be honest, the only things I prefer on her phone to mine are the improvements to Sense, not Gingerbread.
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TxGoat
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I'm saying I'll wait and see, but I'm going to be more pessimistic than I typically would just based on my experience with the Thunderbolt. I'm actually not as concerned with ICS as I am with battery life. The Thunderbolt's battery was quite a disappointment and in all honesty I'm just hoping that HTC listens to its customer base and markedly improves on the Rezound's battery performance.
To me it's not even about that, it's about the Thunderbolt's track record when it comes to updates. You have updates that were causing peoples' phones to reboot, then you had some updates that were bricking some peoples' phones, and then finally with the Gingerbread update you got the update and you lost voicemail notifications. That's a BAD track record if you ask me. I'm not mad that I didn't get gingerbread from HTC (I've actually had a form of Gingerbread for several months now...first thing I did after rooting) I'm mad at the quality of the updates and I don't see them getting much better with the Rezound.
It would be nice if it released with ICS but that would mean no new HTC phone for months and months
I've said this before, but the Thunderbolt release went the way it did because they pushed a device that wasn't ready because Verizon wanted it to be the first smartphone with LTE. There may not have been this problem if they had gone with either the Revolution or the Charge because those phones started on paper as an LTE device.
The Thunderbolt started as a 3G device to be released in Fall 2010. I think that's why it had SVDO (the ability to talk & text over 3G) as a way to counter AT&T's ads about that. Then HTC completely redesigned the internals for LTE at Verizon's behest and Verizon pushed for it to be the first LTE phone. That HTC was able to completely rework a phone from 3G to 3G/4G LTE in a span of about 4-5 months says alot about them. I'm wondering if the CPU in the Thunderbolt doesn't play nice with LTE (much like the Tegra2 in the Bionic). The Incredible 2 has the same processor and it works fine with great battery life. If there are hardware issues more often than not a software update will not solve it.
Look at the Bioinc. As I said before, the Tegra2 chip didn't play well with LTE. Moto didn't rework the original model, they grabbed the next one set to release with a different processor (OMAP), slapped the first one's name on it, and it still took them 3-4 months to get it ready for release.
Had the Thunderbolt released as a 3G only device, packing everything it has minus the LTE radio, and had the battery life and reliability of the Incredible 2, it woud've been a hit. It would've been the last truly top tier 3G phone on Verizon.
The only reason I can think of for Verizon pushing to make it LTE is that the other android manufacturers (Moto, Samsung, & LG) had LTE phones already in the works. I think that Verizon wanted to announce that each of their android manufacturers had an LTE phone at CES 2011. That left HTC with scrambling to get their highest profile unreleased device to be LTE equipped. I think that Verizon really wanted to wow us at CES especially after they had previously announced that we wouldn't see any LTE smartphones until mid to late 2011. So I think the problems with the Thunderbolt rests more on Verizon wanting to show off than HTC's ability to put out a good phone.
If you take the Thunderbolt out of the equation, HTC hasn't released any devices that I can recall that had the issues that it did. Sure there are some little bugs here and there, but what phone doesn't have that? The EVO3D and Sensation both released with far less issues, because their release wasn't pushed up and they were released as originally intended (so far as what the final device would be). But when pushing up the timetable 6 months, you've gotta expect there to be problems.
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TxGoat
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What leads you to believe that the Thunderbolt was initially supposed to be a 3G only device? I'm thinking that if Verizon had any input that they would've told HTC that they should go ahead and throw a dual-core setup inside the TB since dual cores were already being pushed around that time. I know there was speculation that Thunderbolt owners got a few months of free wireless tethering because HTC couldn't get the Wifi hotspot to differentiate when the phone was surfing the internet and a wifi hotspot was being used, but that was just speculation.
There's really no telling what took place behind the scenes unless there's an official press release so all I can do is base my opinions on what I know took place. The release was a mess, the updates are still a mess, and the phone never really made a positive impression on me. The fact that I'm even considering going back to another HTC device proves that I'm willing to chalk the Thunderbolt up as a mulligan. I can forgive, but I'll never forget.
Ninjak
Android Enthusiast
Considering all the understandable concerns about battery life, particularly given the seemingly underpowered default 1620mAh battery said to be included, I've been wondering for a long time now what screen technology the Rezound will come with. As you're all well aware, that will most assuredly have a direct impact on battery life. In all the news and leaks concerning the screen's resolution, I've yet to hear anything claiming it's going to be AMOLED, pentile, or other. That's the one spec I'd most like to hear come to light. We all know that LTE guzzles power. So one would think, especially if they've learned any lessons since the Thunderbolt, that HTC has some sort of plan in place that would enable them to feel confident in including a battery that weak. It's been said that the Bionic's pentile screen has been helping with its battery life. Perhaps they've gone that route. Word is that that the Galaxy Nexus screen is a Pentile AMOLED. That plus ICS' battery saving tech will help its battery go a long way as well. I'd love to see the Rezound equipped with a similar screen that will save us some energy. Has anyone yet heard any rumblings about any rumored details aside from its 720 HD res with a high PPI?
When the Thunderbolt first leaked as the Incredible HD in actual pictures (around August 2010) we were still looking at LTE phones not shipping until mid-late 2011. The Incredible HD was to be released around November 2010. There was no 4G LTE branding or LTE radio inside. BlackManX (Panda) even mentioned once that the release was pushed back to 2011 after the decision was made to go to LTE. Miami (on the Droid Forums) took a lot of flack that the Incredible HD didn't release in November 2010 as he said it was supposed to. His explanation was that it was going to be revamped with added goodies.
Whether you believe BMX & Miami or not, how often do we see devices in leaked photos (not renders, actual physical devices) almost 7 months before they're released? Normally you only see them around 2-3 months before release, which lines up with a release around November. Do a search of Incredible HD 2010 and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Switching to a dual core at that point would've been even worse. Look how long it took for a dual core to release. The first one on Verizon (LTE or not) was the DX2. But that was with a Tegra2. The first dual core Snapdragon (HTC's CPU supplier) phone to come to market was the EVO3D and Sensation around May 2011. Besides, Verizon wasn't worried so much with dual core, they wanted to push LTE for 2 reasons. First, the extra $100 on the LTE phones helps with the buildout of the 4G network. Second, moving more people to the LTE network means less on 3G, and with the i*hone launch coming they didn't want issues that AT&T had with their network.
As far as going only by what has happened or actually announced, if everyone went by that, every phone releases on schedule, and there are absolutley no issues pre-release. Maybe you're right and it didn't go that way, but when insiders (and numerous ones at that) are talking about it, it seems likely that it is true.
Here's a link on BGR from August 27th, 2010. After clicking the link, click the pic for the gallery of the first shots of the (then) Incredible HD.
http://www.bgr.com/2010/08/27/evo-ish-htc-device-verizon/
P.S. I hadn't noticed this before, but look at the back of the phone in those shots. On the Thunderbolt, the soft touch battery cover goes completely from one side to the other. But on this shot, the battery cover doesn't go all the way to one side of the phone. Never noticed that until today.
As far as what I've read, the reason that the G-Nex isn't Super Amoled Plus is because they don't have an RGBG amoled (as opposed to pentile) that can do 720p. Until they do, I believe the only options are Super Amoled (Pentile - no Plus) and S-LCD. Since HTC has been using S-LCD since they were forced to it by the OG Droid Incredible's amoled shortage, and the Razr is the only phone to release with amoled that isn't a Samsung, I'd say that an amoled screen (pentile or not) is kinda unlikely. Another thing to look at it the phones that HTC has released recently. The Amaze 4G and Sensation XE I believe use S-LCD. But who knows, they may surprise us.
The reason it cuold be amoled is that in May 2011 Samsung opened up their new 5th generation amoled production line. It's supposed to be able to do 3 million screens a month and be able to ramp up to 30 milllion screens per month, but they didn't know when the latter would be possible. But since it opened 2 months ahead of schedule, phones already in development probably won't benefit from the new availability.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/31/samsungs-new-amoled-production-line-should-help-ease-smartphone/
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TxGoat
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My battery issues happen whether I'm on 4G LTE or on CDMA (Auto) mode. I'd say if you're downloading a lot on 4G then sure all the extra data is going to drain a little faster. I'm not really convinced that the Thunderbolt's battery issues are a direct result of the 4G as much as a result of poor engineering. I guess the only way we'll really know is if the iPhone comes to market with 4G capabilities and battery life for the iPhone isn't diminished.
I'm not saying I do or don't believe what took place behind the scenes, I'm saying we can speculate all we want but the end result is what it is. It's like if I had a task at work that I was going to complete in November, but then decided to push the task back a few months later because I wanted to improve on the end product with some extra bells and whistles, but then when I completed the project it didn't meet my clients' expectations but had the extra bells and whistles to it, then I'd say I failed. The client's not going to care about what I had to do to even get the project finished, they just want positive end results.
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Well the Thunderbolt wasn't supposed to be my dream phone, but the one after that so a few months should be no problem, that is if they get the Rezound right.
I had the Tbolt for about 2 months. I do not live in a 4G covered area. I had it set to 3G only, and my battery life was decent. I could easily get a full day (16 hours with moderate use, nothing except gmail & weather pushing) and as much as 24 hours out of it. This is with a stock phone and the stock battery. The only reason I got rid of it was the random reboots started, and that was before the first software update went out. After the random rebooting started, the battery life was sporadic, some days I'd get my 16-24 hours, some days 6-8 hours. All of this was with no LTE, so while not entirely LTE's fault, I'd say it's about 75% or more of the problem. All you have to do is look at other oem's phones and compare battery life between 3G and LTE phones and it's pretty apparent.
Your work analogy makes it sound like HTC was the one pushing for it to be an LTE device. And that is definitely a possiblity, but again the timetable for LTE smartphones was moved up. Whether it was Verizon or HTC that pushed to rework the phone we don't know 100%. But, what I guess I was trying to get across is that when the phone releases when it was intended and as it was intended, HTC has put out a good quality product. The Vigor/Rezound has been on track for a Fall launch since it leaked in early summer, so that along with what they've learned off of the Thunderbolt launch and LTE tech the past 7 months should mean that we'll see a decent device.
P.S. I updated the previous post with a BGR article on the Incredible HD. As I mentioned in that post, I also noticed that they changed the body a bit as well. So while not a complete redesign, it wasn't just the internals that they reworked.