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***Official Samsung Fascinate 2.2 Speculation Thread***

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I emailed Samsung, to no avail. this is infuriating, I get so mad browsing for information on this froyo debacle!! just release an "official statement " so we can exhale. this speculation is driving me over the edge. its the reason tarrants post evoked such a strong response, we were scared he was right on! no update?! unthinkable, but God could it be a reality? we hope not. even those rooted are running a "leaked" version. an official realease will benefit EVERYONE!

can someone post the best email address to send our scorn to? Samsung and Verizon both deserve to be bombarded with our thoughts and feelings.

laterz
 
SirKronan said:
Well, for pete's sake now, I actually agree with you big time on this one. We need to flood them with calls and complaints. I plan to do so quite persistently now. This is no longer Samsung, folks. It's in Verizon's court, and they are showing they don't care. I, for one, am sick of it. And I'm not alone.

My bosses where I work just have Verizon dumbphones, and they too have noticed a steep decline in Verizon's overall service in the past year or so. I really really really wish Sprint would get some phones that I had an inkling of an interest in. The Nexus S appears to be headed there, but why would I want to jump to another network just to get a curved screen fascinate with OTA updates? Yeah, the up-to-date-ness is nice for people that don't mod and root their own phones, but it won't do me any large amount of good.

Grrr.... Verizon is making me so angry.
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What email addy are ya'll sending to, I'd like to join the fray!
 
The more I read about this situation, it looks like my theory may be correct about Bing/Microsoft and verizon deal on the fascinate. I was having trouble just answering calls on my phone. The phone would lag so bad that calls would go to voice mail before the touch screen would respond. I am in sales and I cannot have customers calls going to voicemail when I try to answer.

I called Verizon to bitch about it and they made me an offer to upgrade early to the Thunderbolt. The phone cost $250 with contract but they gave me a Car dock for no charge and a $60 credit on my account to make up for not getting the new every two discount that they are discontinuing before my upgrade date in July anyway.

My goal now is to Root my Fascinate, upgrade it to 2.2 and sell it on craigslist with the multimedia dock and the clamshell case for $200 just to get out of it. I am also selling my Motorola Droid 1 Rooted that I just rooted 2 days ago. Selling these phones will allow me to cover the cost of my Thunderbolt and the additional accessories like the $60 media dock and the $50 Double sized battery.

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The thunderbolt is bad ass. If it works this good in 6 months I will be thrilled. I hope it doesnt fall victom to the degraded performance over time that I had experienced with both the Fascinate and the Droid.

The droid runs well now that it is rooted. I think the fascinate will too once I figure out how to do it. I tried to follow instructions on it last night and it got hung up when running update.zip after I did the Oden thing.

it said that the package could not be verified or something. has anyone had that issue when rooting the fascinate?
 
So, one page later, we get a tech example of the possibility that Bing is the reason we do not have 2.2. If the contract between microsoft (bing) and verizon is truly the WALL that separates us (samsung fascinate owners) from 2.2, then all the talk in the world won't get results. It is obvious that the contract in question was forced through verizon because microsoft recognizes it's lame-ass bing search engine is being left in the dust (both on the internet and on mobile platforms). Once microsoft threw gobs of money at verizon to try to buy a fix to that issue, our needs for 2.2 could not and will not be realized unless samsung figures a way (technically or ethically) to incorporate bing into the 2.2 framework.

Quick example: hollywood makes a movie that sucks, but somehow gets good actors to be a part of these garbage flix. replace somehow with 20,000,000 dollars and no longer can you question why.

Moreover, just in case you do not realize why microsoft would push bing so thoroughly, try using bing and google side by side. obviously the speed and quality differences are there, but the most important thing to recognize about bing's functionality is the overwhelming number of advertisements and product placements that somehow make the top 10 hits, often above the hit for which you searched.
 
boosh71 said:
I really hate Bing.
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Agreed. I've really tried to give Bing a chance. Sincerely, even. But it never gets me the results I want, on my web browser or on my phones. Sometimes both engines get the same top results, but there are many times when I'm searching for something a little more rare or obscure. I can word things just right and Google will get it for me, almost every time. Sometimes no matter how I word the search for Bing, it gives me everything BUT what I'm actually searching for. It's never seemed as fluid, fast, or logical as a search engine.

If Bing was as simple, clean, and effective as Google, I'd absolutely happily leave it on my phone, even though it's a Google phone. But at least for me as a consumer, Bing consistently comes up quite short. It's frustrating that Verizon would rather take money from Microsoft than just make more money off of more sales to happy customers and new sales as a result of the good words from the happier customers.
 
The biggest dissapointment I had with my Fascinate before rooting was Bing. The only thing worse is Bing voice search. Has anyone ever found what they were looking for with that? Microsoft just needs to let that ship sink.
 
darthbader said:
You all may want to read this article from ZD net on how AT&T is targeting rooted and Jailbroken smartphone users and charging them for tethering if they tether using free rooted apps for tethering. Interesting article.

The tethering police are coming, unroot your phones | ZDNet
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I have also heard that Verizon is also going after those that use free tethering. From what I've read they aren't going after people who root but those who root and tether.
 
SirKronan said:
Agreed. I've really tried to give Bing a chance. Sincerely, even. But it never gets me the results I want, on my web browser or on my phones. Sometimes both engines get the same top results, but there are many times when I'm searching for something a little more rare or obscure. I can word things just right and Google will get it for me, almost every time. Sometimes no matter how I word the search for Bing, it gives me everything BUT what I'm actually searching for. It's never seemed as fluid, fast, or logical as a search engine.

If Bing was as simple, clean, and effective as Google, I'd absolutely happily leave it on my phone, even though it's a Google phone. But at least for me as a consumer, Bing consistently comes up quite short. It's frustrating that Verizon would rather take money from Microsoft than just make more money off of more sales to happy customers and new sales as a result of the good words from the happier customers.
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I completely agree. I tried to give the Bing software a chance and am just not satisfied with it compared to Google's offerings.

I will say that I wouldn't have a problem with the phones coming with Bing pre-installed as long as I had the option to remove it if I was unsatisfied with the product.

Verizon is starting to compete with T-Mobile for the sheer volume of Android phones available with 7 new phones scheduled for spring/early summer releases. I'll be interested to see how many of those phones if any come with Bing.
 
yast26 said:
In today's news.I am telling you guys we are going straight to 2.3 when Bing contract expire. Mark my word...

Virgin Mobile Samsung Intercept Getting Froyo on April 11th
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Well, I can say this with all honesty that I will have moved on to a new phone long before that contract expires. That contract was signed in the first half of 2009 for a five year term and here in the fist half of 2011, we still have 3 years to go.
 
kujayhawks77 said:
Well, I can say this with all honesty that I will have moved on to a new phone long before that contract expires. That contract was signed in the first half of 2009 for a five year term and here in the fist half of 2011, we still have 3 years to go.
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I hear you in that one!!! I got shut gun!!! :D
 
yast26 said:
In today's news.I am telling you guys we are going straight to 2.3 when Bing contract expire. Mark my word...

Virgin Mobile Samsung Intercept Getting Froyo on April 11th
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I doubt that, but the point you are making is a very valid one. I can certainly imagine some serious back door arguments and discussions going on about Google not wanting Bing in their OS, and Verizon demanding that Google remain "open" to their carriers' whims, as they proclaim to be. Then Google (and consumers, perhaps) come back arguing that Google meant for their openness to also BENEFIT the end users, not simply open the door for carriers and manufacturers to trample on and restrict them.

I bet those arguments and negotiations are going on right now, and with corporations as giant and self-righteous as Google and Verizon are, I highly doubt they are pretty.

I just wish they would get over soon.
 
SirKronan said:
I doubt that, but the point you are making is a very valid one. I can certainly imagine some serious back door arguments and discussions going on about Google not wanting Bing in their OS, and Verizon demanding that Google remain "open" to their carriers' whims, as they proclaim to be. Then Google (and consumers, perhaps) come back arguing that Google meant for their openness to also BENEFIT the end users, not simply open the door for carriers and manufacturers to trample on and restrict them.

I bet those arguments and negotiations are going on right now, and with corporations as giant and self-righteous as Google and Verizon are, I highly doubt they are pretty.

I just wish they would get over soon.
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I agree. But if I were Google I'd be pissed about Verizon doing a deal with my competitor Bing....especially when Bing is inferior and the end consumers don't want it.....
 
Jrife said:
What in the hell is going on. 2.2 is on it's way out Gingerbread is here and Cupcake. 2.1? come on this is a little silly.
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Move on my friend. Samsung and froyo update is a joke unless you want to root. Even if it came tomorrow we have been made fools long enough. My Moto X will be here next week some time and I can't wait.
 
SirKronan said:
I doubt that, but the point you are making is a very valid one. I can certainly imagine some serious back door arguments and discussions going on about Google not wanting Bing in their OS, and Verizon demanding that Google remain "open" to their carriers' whims, as they proclaim to be. Then Google (and consumers, perhaps) come back arguing that Google meant for their openness to also BENEFIT the end users, not simply open the door for carriers and manufacturers to trample on and restrict them.

I bet those arguments and negotiations are going on right now, and with corporations as giant and self-righteous as Google and Verizon are, I highly doubt they are pretty.

I just wish they would get over soon.
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I think unfortunately this is why we won't see any type of a Nexus branded phone on Verizon. (Although the Fascinate is better spec wise than the Nexus S anyways minus NFC which only a few apps are utilizing anyway. )
 
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Note to self: "Never, ever, ever, under NO circumstances, ever, ever, never, never, never get another Android/Google based phone with Bing on it in any way shape or form!!! And try to stay as far away from anything Bing related in the future."

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