Pentile screen? Really that bad?

[BlueBiker]

I'd expect that the video would look sharper thanks to the the pentile screen than my OG DROID, and that will be another test I perform this weekend

Nothing looks sharper because of Pentile, except maybe black & white text.

^ You, sirrah, just made my day. Anything to get my encoding and converting to use all 8 cores of my 965 EE would be nice....

Eight cores? You're running dual-socket 965's?

Umm, I know it's not clock speed alone. Trust me, I've been building systems for almost 20 years now, back into the old 80286 days when Cache was physical EEPROMs that you had to manually install on your motherboard.

SRAM cache, not EEPROM.

I just recently did that though - built my new rig around the CPU I had bought. Core i7 965 EE (most definitely trumps that C2Q by a long shot) along with 12 GB of high performance Mushkin RAM. I'm not even OC'd yet, running stock at 3.2 GHz.

Sweet chip! I think EE's are usually unlocked, so overclocking should be trivial (if you really need it faster than it already is).

Oh, yeah - all old profiles were lost - along with a very very large set of data, when the Drives were trashed. Seagate wants $800 for recovery, but with my university screwing around with my tuition reimbursement 8and* assistanceship, I have to say no to the recovery now. Thus, no old data.

If the failure was electronic and not a platter/mechanical issue, you may be able to buy another same model drive (w/same or close firmware) used off eBay and swap circuit cards onto yours to see if it'll come back to life.

I've wanted to build an awesome system, but my dad doesn't want to. He says what I have is good already. I'll just have to wait for this one to die. I hope not anytime soon, as I have a functioning tri-boot between Win7, Linux Mint, and OSX Leopard.

With something like the excellent full featured and free VirtualBox, you may not need to triple boot and can have them all running simultaneously. A bit much for a P4, but a C2D could easily do it.

 

[tehsusenoh]

With something like the excellent full featured and free VirtualBox, you may not need to triple boot and can have them all running simultaneously. A bit much for a P4, but a C2D could easily do it.

Trust me. I know quite about about virtualization. I have the top-model Core2Duo w/ PAE.

I always virtualize before installing an OS natively, but I'd never run a main OS as a VM. I like having full hardware acceleration, something that VirtualBox doesn't do with every OS.

 

[BlueBiker]

Trust me. I know quite about about virtualization. I have the top-model Core2Duo w/ PAE.

I always virtualize before installing an OS natively, but I'd never run a main OS as a VM. I like having full hardware acceleration, something that VirtualBox doesn't do with every OS.

Oh okay, I thought you just needed server OSes running. Yeah, GUI kinda sux in most VMs even when hardware accel is nominally supported.

 

[tehsusenoh]

Oh okay, I thought you just needed server OSes running. Yeah, GUI kinda sux in most VMs even when hardware accel is nominally supported.

Nope, I have Arch running happily on my other computers.

 

[johnlgalt]

Nothing looks sharper because of Pentile, except maybe black & white text.



Eight cores? You're running dual-socket 965's?



SRAM cache, not EEPROM.



Sweet chip! I think EE's are usually unlocked, so overclocking should be trivial (if you really need it faster than it already is).



If the failure was electronic and not a platter/mechanical issue, you may be able to buy another same model drive (w/same or close firmware) used off eBay and swap circuit cards onto yours to see if it'll come back to life.



With something like the excellent full featured and free VirtualBox, you may not need to triple boot and can have them all running simultaneously. A bit much for a P4, but a C2D could easily do it.

OK, not because of pentile, but because of qHD.

965 - 4 cores + 4 virtual cores as a result of HT, therefore system recognizes it as an 8 core machine. Most software can't get past 2, forget the 4 virtualized, but still - it's got the system fooled into thinking it's 8 cores, so

SRAM - ty. I was a bit young and didn't care what it was called, just that changing it out was a PITA lol

EEs are unlocked. I hooked it up to a Corsair H100 liquid cooling rig, but it's stock right now, well, other than the Turbo mode offered by the mobo, which bumps up the QPI multiplier by 1 to achieve a very modest OC...

Yes, the failure was definitely electrical. I never thought about just grabbing more drives like the ones I had and trying - but I'd have ot make sure of hte firmware revision, right?

Hmmm, wonder if Seagate will send the drives back to me....they've already supposedly fixed it, and they've offered to send them back to me un an unusable state after I get my data from them.... Good news is that they are under warranty, bad news is that I (obviously) cannot keep the drives after warranty replacement....

 

[BlueBiker]

965 - 4 cores + 4 virtual cores as a result of HT, therefore system recognizes it as an 8 core machine. Most software can't get past 2, forget the 4 virtualized, but still - it's got the system fooled into thinking it's 8 cores, so

EEs are unlocked. I hooked it up to a Corsair H100 liquid cooling rig, but it's stock right now, well, other than the Turbo mode offered by the mobo, which bumps up the QPI multiplier by 1 to achieve a very modest OC...

Nice, I didn't know mobos did that.

Yes, the failure was definitely electrical. I never thought about just grabbing more drives like the ones I had and trying - but I'd have ot make sure of hte firmware revision, right?

Best answer: it depends. I've never done it myself, but here is some good advice, and StorageReview.com is the granddaddy of hard drive knowledge resources. If you can't swing $800 (yikes!) recovery charge, $30 for a used drive w/moderate chance of success may be better than nothing. There's also free recovery software available once a drive is physically readable.

Hmmm, wonder if Seagate will send the drives back to me....they've already supposedly fixed it, and they've offered to send them back to me un an unusable state after I get my data from them.... Good news is that they are under warranty, bad news is that I (obviously) cannot keep the drives after warranty replacement....

AFAIK, hard drive warranties only promise to send you a new drive if you send them a dead one. Not worth much when all you care about is getting your data back. And the failure rates are horrendous these days when drives have become such cheap commodity items w/little profit.

 

[breadnatty08]

Seriously, what the hell has happened to this thread??
I thought we were talking about phones?

 

[HanSolo]

I think they're talking about computers, but I can't be sure.

 

[tehsusenoh]

Seriously, what the hell has happened to this thread??
I thought we were talking about phones?

Oh HA HA.

That conversation is over now.

 

[BlueBiker]

Seriously, what the hell has happened to this thread??
I thought we were talking about phones?

You're right. Sorry for threadjacking.

 

[johnlgalt]

Well, I'll stop with the distraction - but all I saw was

"Pentile sucks."
"No, it doesn't."
"Does too."
"Does not!"
"DOES SO!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Uh-huh!"
"Your mother!"


Anyone got anything useful to add about Pentile?

 

[tehsusenoh]

Well, I'll stop with the distraction - but all I saw was

"Pentile sucks."
"No, it doesn't."
"Does too."
"Does not!"
"DOES SO!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Uh-huh!"
"Your mother!"


Anyone got anything useful to add about Pentile?

Pentile both sucks and is good. That's what I'll add.

 

[BlueBiker]

Okay, thought experiment: If Pentile is really The Answer(tm) then how come it's not used on other flat panel display types? Wouldn't a gargantuan 60" living room TV benefit from 50% less power usage?

 

[tehsusenoh]

Okay, thought experiment: If Pentile is really The Answer(tm) then how come it's not used on other flat panel display types? Wouldn't a gargantuan 60" living room TV benefit from 50% less power usage?

Because the company who invented it only intended it for mobile devices, and sells it as such.

Technology ?

 

[YankeeDudeL]

Pentile both sucks and is good. That's what I'll add.

So pentile is basically the Dark Knight? It's the hero the Bionic doesn't want, but the one it deserves?

I feel another threadjacking coming on. lmao

 

[tehsusenoh]

So pentile is basically the Dark Knight? It's the hero the Bionic doesn't want, but the one it deserves?

I feel another threadjacking coming on. lmao

No, it's a double-edged swords.

Good battery life? Pixelation.
Brighter? Color inaccuracy.

 

[HanSolo]

So pentile is basically the Dark Knight? It's the hero the Bionic doesn't want, but the one it deserves?

I feel another threadjacking coming on. lmao

It depends. To some it's the best, to others it's lame and outdated.

 

[tehsusenoh]

It depends. To some it's the best, to others it's lame and outdated.

Yep.

 

[BlueBiker]

It depends. To some it's the best, to others it's lame and outdated.

Not outdated, just a technology that thus far has weaknesses that bother some people a lot and others not at all.

I see it more as a matter of scale. V-twin engines are an excellent fit for a motorcycle, but not for a full-size automobile. Doesn't make that type engine good or bad, just that certain applications are a better fit than others. Similarly, I'll most likely be entirely satisfied w/Pentile when it's available on a next-gen phone's HD screen.

 

[tofizzle]

Okay, thought experiment: If Pentile is really The Answer(tm) then how come it's not used on other flat panel display types? Wouldn't a gargantuan 60" living room TV benefit from 50% less power usage?

Actually, before Apple got all sue happy against Samsung they were in negotiations to use a Pentile display for the iPad 3.

 

[BlueBiker]

Actually, before Apple got all sue happy against Samsung they were in negotiations to use a Pentile display for the iPad 3.

Interesting, I didn't know that. And on their applications page it looks as if they are targeting full-sized TVs.

 

[HanSolo]

Not outdated, just a technology that thus far has weaknesses that bother some people a lot and others not at all.

I see it more as a matter of scale. V-twin engines are an excellent fit for a motorcycle, but not for a full-size automobile. Doesn't make that type engine good or bad, just that certain applications are a better fit than others. Similarly, I'll most likely be entirely satisfied w/Pentile when it's available on a next-gen phone's HD screen.

that's a great point. I'm actually wondering now how much better 720p looks over qHD. I mean even a 4.5 inch screen is still 4.5 inches! Could it just be a gimmick, not giving any noticeable improvement in movie watching or web browsing???

 

[HotDawg]

BWAHAHAHA! I want to walk into a store and see this cat on every phone in the place! See if you can get him on the TVs, too.

Thanks, Lennydude. My daydream for Monday.

 

[rushmore]

Cute little kitty tat'

The main good points for the D3 and DX2 displays are sharpness and battery life, but the angles are limited for maintaining contrast and color.

The IPS on my iPod 4 blows the D3 far away, IMO. Just looking at images on the two displays and I have to readjust to my D3 (or most other displays, for that matter).

Be nice to see an IPS on the D4, but iPod and iPhone 5 will probably own most production capacity (again) for 2012.

 

[rushmore]

Just saw your other post.



20 years is more than I've been alive.

I have had computers that old, and I keep their parts around as memorabilia. I have a closet dedicated to computer stuff, and within is a lovely trio of P4-era computers, running as servers, all running Arch Linux. A few are off to the side that I haven't repaired back to working states.

I've wanted to build an awesome system, but my dad doesn't want to. He says what I have is good already. I'll just have to wait for this one to die. I hope not anytime soon, as I have a functioning tri-boot between Win7, Linux Mint, and OSX Leopard.

Yes, I tell my son "it is good enough" too, so listen to your Pop!