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Pondering a new tablet

I need to brush up on how to install Google Play on it and/or how to install APK files.
This is pretty simple. I usually just google "XDA Install Play on Kindle Fire" and get the steps. Even old steps usually still work as you install old versions but once things are running they update themselves to the current ones. IIRC, the gist of it is install a file manager, enable 3rd party apps, and install 4 apks, agree to Play TOS and Bob's your uncle.
 
Ugh, that flat UI still annoys me though. The Kindle Fire OG was superior in every whay to any of their modern ones.

I must have had two lemons as the 7 incher was just as bad. The scrolling jittered, UI animation framerate was atrocious, and it killed apps in the background too often, and that's not including my hatred of ads on the lockscreen eating my bandwidth.

I simply stop buying from a company when they failed three times plus. I also had their Fire Sticks and they were even worse.

Google Play is going to make you hate the darned thing. It's just like trying to use a Google account and update the apps on a Samsung Galaxy Ace. If it performs well enough for you now, just you wait. The things still have only 2GB of RAM. They're not even properly specced for mobile gameplay, unless your favorite mobile games are like mine and were from like 2011 or 2012 or something. I wouldn't even dare trying Call of Duty Mobile or Pokemon Unite on a Fire (more like Pokemon Ignite, and is it kinda funny they call them 'Fire Tablets?')

I admit I'm sorta surprised you're ok with Play Services/Google as they have as much love of privacy as Microsoft, and given you're a Linux person, wouldn't that be a conflict? Google Play Services has enough permissions and can do things that are normally associated with a virus or trojan. That's why I keep it disabled.
 
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Ugh, that flat UI still annoys me though. The Kindle Fire OG was superior in every whay to any of their modern ones.

I must have had two lemons as the 7 incher was just as bad. The scrolling jittered, UI animation framerate was atrocious, and it killed apps in the background too often, and that's not including my hatred of ads on the lockscreen eating my bandwidth.

I simply stop buying from a company when they failed three times plus. I also had their Fire Sticks and they were even worse.

Google Play is going to make you hate the darned thing. It's just like trying to use a Google account and update the apps on a Samsung Galaxy Ace. If it performs well enough for you now, just you wait. The things still have only 2GB of RAM. They're not even properly specced for mobile gameplay, unless your favorite mobile games are like mine and were from like 2011 or 2012 or something. I wouldn't even dare trying Call of Duty Mobile or Pokemon Unite on a Fire (more like Pokemon Ignite, and is it kinda funny they call them 'Fire Tablets?')

I admit I'm sorta surprised you're ok with Play Services/Google as they have as much love of privacy as Microsoft, and given you're a Linux person, wouldn't that be a conflict? Google Play Services has enough permissions and can do things that are normally associated with a virus or trojan. That's why I keep it disabled.
Tweaking all of my Google permissions in a very thorough, time-consuming, and extensive way is one of the first things I do on a new Android device. Comparing Google to micro$hit is kind of silly, since at least Google *tells* you what data they're after and allows you the ability to control much of it. They have to have certain data and I'm okay with that, because it's innocuous enough and doesn't open me up to a bunch of bullshit, like M$ does.

As for the new tablet, it's BLANKING AWESOME! I cannot imagine any of the awful stuff you've mentioned as it's simply not happening to me now, on my brand-spanking-new one, nor did it ever happen on my 9-year-old one. And as far as giving up on a company after three strikes, I can see that; I'm just amazed that Amazon happens to be that company in your case. Amazon has treated me like gold from day one--back in the '90s--and that's never wavered. Even when I initially get stuck talking to some guy in Pakistan I can barely understand, *any* problem I've ever had has been resolved to BEYOND my satisfaction. Seriously. I've posted before about Amazon letting me keep expensive items that I simply didn't like as much in person as on the website. Nothing wrong with them at all--not damaged or broken or anything, I just didn't like them after all. They told me I could keep, donate, throw away, do whatever I wanted with them but didn't have to bother sending them back. Credited my card just like that.

FWIW, I've had the tablet sitting here on the bed all day, after initially using it for about an hour this morning. Its battery started at 100%, and it's now at 97%. The *only* ads I've seen are when I go to unlock the tablet. That's it. A full-screen ad appears, and as soon as I swipe up the keypad appears, I enter my PIN, and that's the end of the ads until the next time I go to unlock it. Had I known in 2013 that's how unobtrusive the ads would be, I wouldn't have bothered paying the extra 20 bucks (or whatever it was) to get rid of them! :D

Also, they now have a whopping THREE, not two, GB of RAM! :)
 
A little update, after using it for a few days. I LOVE IT!! :D

It's just like I remember my old one: beautiful, crisp graphics, fast speed, no issues with lag time or slowing down regardless of what I'm doing, e.g., watching a video in one app while having 8 or 9 other apps open. Google Play was a piece of cake to get up and running, and I'm now in the long process of weeding through thousands of apps in my history to choose which ones to install. It's hard to keep in mind that I want to use this primarily for playing games--as I scroll down my app history, I think, ah-ha! BofA! better install that! Followed by, NO I don't need that here!! Games, just stick to games. :)

I'm working on getting my beloved [but long-abandoned] launcher, ADW, tweaked the way I like it. That alone can take a few days! :o

Now that I've seen how I'm using the tablet, and what it is or isn't subjected to daily, I went ahead and ordered a case yesterday. I intended to purchase my usual Otterbox Defender case...but found they don't make one for this model. :( So I plodded through a ton of other brands and ended up with one that appears to provide the total-device coverage I'm used to with Otterbox cases. That should come today.

So far, so good. As in really, really good! :D I can't believe how little the ads annoy me. I wish I had known in 2013 how unobtrusive they actually are. As noted before, I see one ad when I wake up the tablet. I swipe up and get the prompt to enter my PIN. The ad disappears--and I *never* see another one until the next time I unlock the tablet. As for its battery usage, I'm charging it overnight; when I start out in the morning it's at 100%; by evening, when I'm done using my laptop for the day and have time to play with the tablet, its battery is down to ~98% if I didn't use it AT ALL, and 96%-97% if I used it for an hour or so. I can live with that.
 
Happy it works for you.

I don't trust Google. This is one of many reasons why...be careful about your last location!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/google-tracked-his-bike-ride-past-burglarized-home-made-him-n1151761#:~:text=Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized,the scene of the crime," the man said.

Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
The email arrived on a Tuesday afternoon in January, startling Zachary McCoy as he prepared to leave for his job at a restaurant in Gainesville, Florida.

It was from Google’s legal investigations support team, writing to let him know that local police had demanded information related to his Google account. The company said it would release the data unless he went to court and tried to block it. He had just seven days.


“I was hit with a really deep fear,” McCoy, 30, recalled, even though he couldn’t think of anything he’d done wrong. He had an Android phone, which was linked to his Google account, and, like millions of other Americans, he used an assortment of Google products, including Gmail and YouTube. Now police seemingly wanted access to all of it.

“I didn’t know what it was about, but I knew the police wanted to get something from me,” McCoy said in a recent interview. “I was afraid I was going to get charged with something, I don’t know what.”
 
Happy it works for you.

I don't trust Google. This is one of many reasons why...be careful about your last location!

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/google-tracked-his-bike-ride-past-burglarized-home-made-him-n1151761#:~:text=Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized,the scene of the crime," the man said.

Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
The email arrived on a Tuesday afternoon in January, startling Zachary McCoy as he prepared to leave for his job at a restaurant in Gainesville, Florida.

It was from Google’s legal investigations support team, writing to let him know that local police had demanded information related to his Google account. The company said it would release the data unless he went to court and tried to block it. He had just seven days.


“I was hit with a really deep fear,” McCoy, 30, recalled, even though he couldn’t think of anything he’d done wrong. He had an Android phone, which was linked to his Google account, and, like millions of other Americans, he used an assortment of Google products, including Gmail and YouTube. Now police seemingly wanted access to all of it.

“I didn’t know what it was about, but I knew the police wanted to get something from me,” McCoy said in a recent interview. “I was afraid I was going to get charged with something, I don’t know what.”
You're making a very valid point. However, I could easily counter with...????....dozens? hundreds? I don't know how many, but I'm sure there are a lot of cases where Google's tracking helped someone. I seem to recall something about a woman locked in the trunk of a stolen car, having no idea where she was, and she was found due to Google(?)'s tracking. I've heard similar stories with good endings, but can't cite any and am far too lazy to look anything up. My point is, there will always be pros and cons with ANYTHING in life, and people who like or dislike different things. I could say "isn't that blue sky gorgeous?!" and someone could respond "UGH!! I hate blue!!" *shrug*
 
I've had issues with Google since they started collaborating with the NSA long ago. You won't even find Microsoft doing that!

This is my most common reason though:
https://killedbygoogle.com

You can't trust that any service or app they make will last. I don't like relearning stuff over and over again. So I simply refuse to use their apps and services.

May Reader never be forgotten!

Companies are supposed to respond to the customer demand. They aren't supposed to change anything unless enough customers demand it first. That's basic free market economics. It's quite obvious Google cares nothing about their customers and only cares about their shareholders. That was why they killed Reader and various others despite the mass complaints and even offers of money from users. They just told them to go pound sand. That's not a company I want to support in any capacity. Also, they owe the money back to those poor Revolv users that paid for the 'lifetime subscription' option who got screwed when they killed that for no good reason, too.
 
I've had issues with Google since they started collaborating with the NSA long ago. You won't even find Microsoft doing that!

This is my most common reason though:
https://killedbygoogle.com

You can't trust that any service or app they make will last. I don't like relearning stuff over and over again. So I simply refuse to use their apps and services.

May Reader never be forgotten!

Companies are supposed to respond to the customer demand. They aren't supposed to change anything unless enough customers demand it first. That's basic free market economics. It's quite obvious Google cares nothing about their customers and only cares about their shareholders. That was why they killed Reader and various others despite the mass complaints and even offers of money from users. They just told them to go pound sand. That's not a company I want to support in any capacity. Also, they owe the money back to those poor Revolv users that paid for the 'lifetime subscription' option who got screwed when they killed that for no good reason, too.
I've been unhappy many times in my life when a company discontinued a product I really liked. But I got over it. Right now, I'm facing this dilemma with Amazon Drive--they're shutting it down in December of next year. Long story how I ended up using it for storage, after first using other sites like [paid] Dropbox and Google, but I really liked it. Combined with my Prime free, unlimited photo storage, a tiny paid Drive account gave me all the off-site storage I needed. Now it's on its way out. You know what? I won't hate Amazon for it. I won't bitch about it. I won't boycott Amazon. I won't forever relegate them to the land of horrible companies that did me wrong. IT'S JUST BUSINESS!

The business world is driven by decisions that are made for valid reasons--to the company involved. We don't know all the details/facts. Unless you're an owner in some form, like holding stock in a company, you're never going to know *all* of the behind-the-scenes reasons they made a specific decision. But you can be quite sure the bottom line was the bottom line. If something isn't profitable or if it doesn't align with a path they're on, it's gone! Poof! That's life.
 
With Google, I'd be relearning new apps over and over again. No thanks. I'd rather pick one and done.

I don't trust ANY cloud service. I got burned by Ubuntu One and Mega's EOLs. I heard one person say on Google+ (when it was going still) they lost their entire MP3 collection on Drive due to a copyright strike. I would rather keep it on internal vs. risk over 10+ years of BearShare and some legal downloads vanishing because of it. Or not being in a service coverage area. Nothing's worse than when you plan a walk in the woods and want to put your nature hike music playlist on, only to find out the phone has no service and it's on some cloud. Right up there with not having a headphone jack and forgetting to recharge your bluetooth buds.

I was taught in high school that free market exists. That means the company is supposed to cater to customer demand, not the other way around. I don't know if I were taught lies, or if companies prefer to screw their customers over and expect them to be complacent. I'm not that way. Anger me and I find another company.

There were ZERO customer demands for:

1. non-removable battery
2. screen size over 4"
3. losing features (IR blasters, headphone jacks, etc)
4. Wanting Reader, Inbox, or Play Music EOL'd.

Companies today just make arbritrary decisions, and when enough customers complain, they respond with the equivalent of 'Go pound sand, we're doing it anyway!'

That used to bankrupt a company. I don't understand why shareholders are all they care about today. That was NOT how the free market concept is supposed to work. Companies aren't supposed to make changes (like 1-4 above) until enough customer demand exists to do so.
 
Just a little update since I've had the tablet for a bit now. I love it. I'm really glad I bought it. I can't believe how fast and responsive it is, and now that I've customized it a lot, it's looking and feeling more normal/comfortable. I'm not nearly done customizing it--but are we ever REALLY done?!--but each day I'm happier than the last that I bought it.

It's *almost* funny how strongly Amazon and Google don't want to play nice with each other on it. :o Meh, whatever. As long as I can do what I bought it for, I'll be happy. I just think it's silly and ridiculous that Amazon has really clamped down on letting us use *our* products the way we want. *shrug*

Yesterday, I realized late in the afternoon that I had not put it on the charger the night before. Its battery was at 97%. To be clear, it hadn't been charged in over 36 hours, and had been used the previous day about as much as I use it each day. When I checked its battery, its estimated time left was two days! :D
 
Just a little update since I've had the tablet for a bit now. I love it. I'm really glad I bought it. I can't believe how fast and responsive it is, and now that I've customized it a lot, it's looking and feeling more normal/comfortable. I'm not nearly done customizing it--but are we ever REALLY done?!--but each day I'm happier than the last that I bought it.

It's *almost* funny how strongly Amazon and Google don't want to play nice with each other on it. :eek: Meh, whatever. As long as I can do what I bought it for, I'll be happy. I just think it's silly and ridiculous that Amazon has really clamped down on letting us use *our* products the way we want. *shrug*

Yesterday, I realized late in the afternoon that I had not put it on the charger the night before. Its battery was at 97%. To be clear, it hadn't been charged in over 36 hours, and had been used the previous day about as much as I use it each day. When I checked its battery, its estimated time left was two days! :D
I know the feeling, yeah my battery will last around four days idle withotu charing either :) I had my tablet turn off for a few days and just surprised it stayed at eighty percent, I usually charge mine around 45% and just wait until it is charge to do whatever customization was occuring at that time. :)
 
So long as I can do what I've been doing for the last decade or so with my 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1 and 2012 Galaxy Tab 7.0 I'm happy as well. I fully understand when you can get enjoyment out of something you're used to.

So long as some 'company' or carrier doesn't screw me over and tell me 'you MUST upgrade you Luddite! We don't care about you anymore! We care about the FuTuRe!' I'm fine. But mess with me and my hooves go up!
 
Which one did you get again?
I got the Fire HD 10, with 64GB. It's the most recent version. They dropped the word 'Kindle' from the name at some point--my old one was called Amazon Kindle Fire HD 8.9" and the new one is just Fire HD 10. I've added my beloved [but long abandoned] Hacker's keyboard as its default, so now I feel like I'm home when I'm typing. I'm still tweaking ADW's settings, but have yet to find a solution to keep it set as the default launcher. That's the biggest thing Amazon clamped down on--and they've really made it a pain. I'm confident that one way or another it'll all work out fine in the end, even if I'm stuck with Amazon's launcher.
 
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So long as I can do what I've been doing for the last decade or so with my 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1 and 2012 Galaxy Tab 7.0 I'm happy as well. I fully understand when you can get enjoyment out of something you're used to.

So long as some 'company' or carrier doesn't screw me over and tell me 'you MUST upgrade you Luddite! We don't care about you anymore! We care about the FuTuRe!' I'm fine. But mess with me and my hooves go up!
The upgrading thing doesn't annoy me nearly as much as it does you, but I do understand it. In general, when I'm alerted that XYZ has an update, I read *why* and *what* the update is for. If it makes sense, I go ahead with it. And it almost always makes sense. :)

As I see it, most updates/upgrades are for valid reasons, like enhanced security or new features. When I upgrade an OS, I'm often confronted with some 'new' feature that replaces the old one I *really* loved. But, as a Linux user, that's not usually a problem, as I can almost ALWAYS get the old one back. IOW, just because they thought a change was a good idea doesn't mean I agree, nor does it mean I'm stuck with it!

Right now I'm debating what to do about my latest laptop. There's a very long backstory, which I'll spare everyone, but the bottom line is that it's running Kubuntu 21.10, and I generally stick with LTS (long-term support) versions, which this is not. So 22.04LTS came out a few months ago and I *know* I should upgrade, but I'm so happy with how the laptop looks, feels, runs, operates, etc., that I don't want to change anything. So I'm at the dreaded "EOL" (end of life) status for my version, but I'm going to continue using it until I finally convince myself it's time to change. That may not be until I buy another laptop, get it up and running perfectly, and then take the plunge!
 
BTW they dropped the 'Kindle' name from their Fire Tablet line right after the original Kindle Fire came out. Every tablet of theirs since that first generation was called a Fire tablet. Only the original 2011 Kindle Fire was called a 'Kindle Fire'.

I believe it was to avoid confusion with the e-ink Kindle e-reader lines, including the newer Paperwhites.

Great...Now I want to see if I can find an old used QWERTY Kindle e-reader to play with. I believe you can still use 'em.
 
BTW they dropped the 'Kindle' name from their Fire Tablet line right after the original Kindle Fire came out. Every tablet of theirs since that first generation was called a Fire tablet. Only the original 2011 Kindle Fire was called a 'Kindle Fire'.

I believe it was to avoid confusion with the e-ink Kindle e-reader lines, including the newer Paperwhites.
Hmmm...I bought mine at the end of 2013, and it was their then-current model, but it had Kindle in its name.

Great...Now I want to see if I can find an old used QWERTY Kindle e-reader to play with. I believe you can still use 'em.
Probably! As noted way back in this thread, my original Kindle...Fire....whatever....was still working great the last time I fired it up, which was probably, shit, I really don't recall, maybe three or four years ago. I tried reading a book on it when I first got it, thinking MAYBE I'd like this new-fangled way of reading books...but I didn't!! Give me a REAL book any day of the week. To me, there's simply no comparison between a real book and an e-version of it. I do admit, though, that the new-fangled method gives you access to millions of books in the space of one 'real' book, so if you were going on a long trip or something, and wanted to have lots of reading material, that's a much easier way than lugging 20 or 30 hardcover books around! But generally speaking, I'll always prefer real books.
 
Same here @MoodyBlues , it's something about turning the pages and smelling the paper especially if it's new........ my mom was a big book reader and i still have most of her old books.
 
Same here @MoodyBlues , it's something about turning the pages and smelling the paper especially if it's new........ my mom was a big book reader and i still have most of her old books.
Yep!! I love the physical experience of holding a book, turning its pages, the smell of it, the way you can thumb through it and jump from one part to another. I've said before that, as a child (and still today), one of my very favorite places was the beautiful main library in Pasadena. The very distinct scent as I walk through its doors makes me feel like I'm home again. :)
 
Where I live you cannot even buy real books. That's why my entire library is on Kindle, Aldiko, and Google Play Books. (haven't accessed the latter since Android ICS though). Our Books-A-Million and Waldenbooks EOL'd long before K-mart (in the 1990s). Even the Walmart 'books' section is mostly magazines, and kids stuff. Nothing that I'm interested in (such as the many vegan oriented books)

I loved our old town library. Too bad it got EOL'd as well, and the 'modern' one they built is too close to the city (so all the outdoor views is of a busy traffic thoroughfare, vs. the forest. but also they made it all clinical looking with overly bright white LED lighting, so that hurts my eyes and triggers migraines (I'm extremely photosensitive) and they ditched the card catalogues. I don't even know how to find stuff with the crappy digital nonsense! Just give me an old library that looks like an old observatory (really one like they had in the late 19th century) and I'll be right at home.

Also modern libraries made checking out a book overly complicated as well. No longer can I get a free library card and just take out a book. Today you have to hand them your SSN and other details, a credit card, and set up 2FA just to check out a darned book.
 
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We have a few local libraries and a few local bookstores, I feel almost like a king though, but I do not like renting books. Only on my play store, like to read a section before I buy something.
 
Given Play Books hasn't gotten the updated icon style of the latest Google app versions I doubt it will be around for much longer. It is still using the 'dorito' triangle icon it had in Marshmallow.

Google Apps are basically 'don't get used to them, because we kill them in a few months/years and change the UX every two weeks'

I can't stand Google apps. Inferior to AOSP apps in so many ways.
 
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