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Poor HDMI Review for Evo
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I know that.. I forgot to put the quotes... I was using his terms
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
I would surely like the entire device to be output to the GDMI out, and not only videos and slideshows. That is disappointing, and I hope they get that corrected in a software update.
I would also like to know if you connect the video output cable from a different HTC device, like a Touch Pro 2 or Incredible- to the USB jack, if it will output video to the composite cable (and output the whole device, not just videos and slideshows).
I would also like to know if you connect the video output cable from a different HTC device, like a Touch Pro 2 or Incredible- to the USB jack, if it will output video to the composite cable (and output the whole device, not just videos and slideshows).
rushmore
Extreme Android User
If PC Mag turns out to be correct, will you all say sorry? 
Please note that even a 480p video on a 4.3" screen will look amazing. The key is how it looks to an external display (40" or more). This will tell you how well the EVO outputs video and how smoothly. Different voltage (and heat) requirements for internal (phone) and external displays
I think you folks are worrying about something that is not practical in the first place: Why do you need such high res content on a phone for a 4.3" display and only 16gb of space that can not even be hot swapped? If it is able to output DVD res smoothly, you all should be happy campers. Very happy, since that would rock.
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32gb cards (class 4 or perhaps 6) that will handle smooth data transfer for higher def video are at least a year away (that will be under $200). Still, what is the point of 720p, other than a marketing blurb? Can you at least output the display of the EVO 720p so you can surf, or is the function just for video? Not seeing the value of this if not. Again, unless a just a marketing blurb by marketing people that tend to be clueless about these things in the first place.
Please note that even a 480p video on a 4.3" screen will look amazing. The key is how it looks to an external display (40" or more). This will tell you how well the EVO outputs video and how smoothly. Different voltage (and heat) requirements for internal (phone) and external displays
I think you folks are worrying about something that is not practical in the first place: Why do you need such high res content on a phone for a 4.3" display and only 16gb of space that can not even be hot swapped? If it is able to output DVD res smoothly, you all should be happy campers. Very happy, since that would rock.
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32gb cards (class 4 or perhaps 6) that will handle smooth data transfer for higher def video are at least a year away (that will be under $200). Still, what is the point of 720p, other than a marketing blurb? Can you at least output the display of the EVO 720p so you can surf, or is the function just for video? Not seeing the value of this if not. Again, unless a just a marketing blurb by marketing people that tend to be clueless about these things in the first place.
The point is that that feature, coupled with the right software, enables your EVO to function as a portable media player that can output a HD feed.
The memory doesn't concern me too much since you can encode a pretty nice looking HD feed at a rate of about 1500 megs per hour of video, which I think is pretty decent given the cost of memory cards. I agree about the lack of hot-swapping abilities being unfortunate, but it doesn't kill it for me.
Beside the memory, there's also the streaming ability of the EVO, it having a WiFi and 4G radio. I love that I can stream movies from my computer over to my Xbox using WiFi and play them on my TV. To be able to do the same thing using my phone? Yes, please.
Oh, and there's Netflix, which will be coming to Android soon.
Basically - I think the content is definitely there, or certainly capable of at least being there. Having the ability to output HD content over HDMI on a device as portable as this strikes me as being awesome.
I'm surprised that this feature is getting so little respect given the potential that's there.
Yes, the phone can play HD content. It's been demonstrated many times.
Yes, AVIs can indeed have 720 horizontal lines of resolution and above.
If PC Mag turns out to be correct, will you all say sorry?
Please note that even a 480p video on a 4.3" screen will look amazing. The key is how it looks to an external display (40" or more). This will tell you how well the EVO outputs video and how smoothly. Different voltage (and heat) requirements for internal (phone) and external displays
I think you folks are worrying about something that is not practical in the first place: Why do you need such high res content on a phone for a 4.3" display and only 16gb of space that can not even be hot swapped? If it is able to output DVD res smoothly, you all should be happy campers. Very happy, since that would rock.
Where in the PCMag review does it say its not playing 480p smoothly? All they said was that it had a lot of artifacts. What this means is that when you blow up 480p to 720p on a 1080p screen, its gonna look horrible. It doesn't matter if you're using an EVO, or a super computer from IBM.
This is pretty much a useless argument and I still don't understand who you're trying to convince. PCMag pushed standard def onto a HDTV and blamed the EVO for poor picture quality.
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The EVO was demoed to play 720p. Also no one on the forums claimed that it could display 1080p. So I'm not sure why you brought up the WDTV. No one is buying this phone as a dedicated HD media player. All people are saying that its a nice feature on the phone that works at displaying 720p.
The only thing that we would need to look at is the bitrate that the EVO is able to push at 720p.
Winner. Obviously it'll depend on which codec you're using (which itself presents an obstacle since Android doesn't support some of the biggies), but yeah, this is what I'm interested in.
aliveon2legs
Android Enthusiast
Watch this video full screen on youtube in 720P and somebody tell me where the artifacts are:
YouTube - HTC EVO 4G (Supersonic) HDMI demo
YouTube - HTC EVO 4G (Supersonic) HDMI demo
Oh i dont know, maybe its the fact that is has a built-in High Definition Multimedia Interface port?
Some people, I swear. How do you even dress yourself?
rushmore
Extreme Android User
Too many factors can cause artifacts, so I agree, but still doubt the device will output 720p content smoothly, unless low bit rates. Chipset does not seem to have the juice to output to an external display and give the same result as a Blu-ray or even an Oppo brand level DVD player with upscan. If it does, I would like to see if artifacts kick in after about 15 minutes due to lack of adequate heat dissipation.
Even still, the HDMI out would be very nice if you can output the actual phone display content (for games and web surfing) and get sound as well.
Does the EVO provide this function or only video content (MP4)? My N900 outputs the actual phone display content, but only composite
Not tried the Incredible, but probably same as EVO, but minus the HDMI Then again, I have an M11X for external displays on the road
rushmore
Extreme Android User
How does having a HDMI connector guarantee 720p quality results?
Next week and all will be known
My bet is you folks are expecting too much out of this form factor and Sprint marketing are not helping calm this perception.I have Blu-ray players, Oppo upscan DVD players (kind of no point now, due to Blu-ray), Archos 5 (that does output 720p, but hot) and a HD projector, so know just a little bit (in my mind at least) about HD content. OK, I do not have a clue, but the people in my mind say the contrary.
THAT'S it! You folks hard up on the 720p should buy an Archos 5. It has Android, has a dock for actual HD level 720p content and plays divx, mpeg, wmv, vob, mp4, mkv, asf, real player, mov and any other you can think of
It plays everything I have thrown at it. Sound quality sux though, so music fans stay FAR away.
clambert1273
Android Enthusiast
How does having a HDMI connector guarantee 720p quality results?
Next week and all will be known
I agree lol however, I will never have mine hooked up to the TV (at least not any time soon) - it is not something that I do.. i just now got my Xbox hooked up to the HDMI LOL
How does having a HDMI connector guarantee 720p quality results?
Next week and all will be known
I have Blu-ray players, Oppo upscan DVD players (kind of no point now, due to Blu-ray), Archos 5 (that does output 720p, but very hot) and a HD projector, so know just a little bit (in my mind at least) about HD content. OK, I do not have a clue, but the people in my mind say the contrary.
You, and most other people are thinking that "HD" and "quality picture" are mutually inclusive. That is simply not the case.
HD 720p , 1080p, and 1080i are really nothing more than resolutions.
neodorian
Android Expert
I don't think it has anything to do with the cable. I shoot videos of classes, events, etc. at a university and then compress them for online streaming. I see firsthand every day the difference proper encoding can make.
Resolution is only part of it. Resolution just affects the size of the "blocks" that make up the video. Kind of like a virtual pixel. If you show a video on a screen with 4x the resolution, you will just have 4 pixels for each "block" of the video image.
Anyway I do a terrible job at explaining this. My point is just that artifacts and stuff like that are a result of compression. The point of compression is to take out as much info as you can without noticing it too much. The more you compress, the more adjacent pixels of similar color get lumped together as one color to save data.
If you encode a 720x480 video at a high enough bitrate (ie, every second of video has more bits of info) you get little to no artifacts as there is the data bandwidth to handle rendering each pixel at its actual value. As you try to save on space, you lower the bitrate of the video and start to lump similar colors together. You get big blocks of stuff on the screen and it looks sloppy.
Sometimes for low bandwidth audiences around the world, I need to compress into as small a size/stream as possible while still keeping the video recognizable and understandable. Different codecs do a better or worse job of this and some of the newer ones trade off quality for processing load. The point is that a 720x480 video can look like a DVD or it can look like a crappy Realplayer video. Just depends on the bitrate and to an extent, the codec.
aliveon2legs
Android Enthusiast
Yep. Whatever artifacts they saw are a result of the amount of compression done to the video they were trying to display.
BlackDynamite
Android Expert
...Does the EVO provide this function or only video content (MP4)? My N900 outputs the actual phone display content, but only composite
I have an HTC Touch Pro 2, and the video cable outputs the whole device, but only over a composite which connects to the USB port on the device. The Touch Pro 1 was the same way, and used the same cable.
I don't know how the incredible works, but I would love to get ahold of the Incredible video cable, connect it to the Evo, and see if it works the same way. I actually expect it to output the entire device over composite if you use that cable...
aliveon2legs
Android Enthusiast
My hope is that somebody makes a video recorder app that allows you to set the level of compression and frame rate. I'd much rather record huge files and have to unload them to my PC frequently than have crappy video. Either way the choice should be in the hands of the person doing the recording.
Of course none of this has anything to do with the HDMI output.
Of course none of this has anything to do with the HDMI output.