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[smacky]

Polishing a turd so it looks like a diamond is not any better than spending more money for a diamond in the first place.

A car that cost over $100K (because this discussion is about cheap cars tuned to beat faster ones, right?) are not generic, made-by-cookie-cutter cars. You can't just lump all the expensive luxury cars together as an "M5." They are engineered separately. This isn't like the niche the Evo, STi, and RX-8 share.

Compare these cars to something that's at least in the same price range. Put the same amount of mods on an S4 or a 135/335i. Then see. I don't care if Evos and STis have AWD. Around corners, straight-line, whatever, these cars will rape them. And guess what? They won't need a rtarded nine-foot wing to do it either.

How am I egotistical? It's something I'd expect to hear from someone that drives a car half the cost of an Evo.

 

[wiretap]

Polishing a turd so it looks like a diamond is not any better than spending more money for a diamond in the first place.

A car that cost over $100K (because this discussion is about cheap cars tuned to beat faster ones, right?) are not generic, made-by-cookie-cutter cars. You can't just lump all the expensive luxury cars together as an "M5." They are engineered separately. This isn't like the niche the Evo, STi, and RX-8 share.

Compare these cars to something that's at least in the same price range. Put the same amount of mods on an S4 or a 135/335i. Then see. I don't care if Evos and STis have AWD. Around corners, straight-line, whatever, these cars will rape them. And guess what? They won't need a rtarded nine-foot wing to do it either.

How am I egotistical? It's something I'd expect to hear from someone that drives a car half the cost of an Evo.

Why waste the money when you can just buy a Bugatti Veyron.

Cheap-o

 

[smacky]

Why waste the money when you can just buy a Bugatti Veyron.

Cheap-o

We can list cars that would rape your precious Evo forever, but it won't change the fact that..it's a car that...would rape your precious Evo.

It's all I'm saying. If I slapped a turbo onto anything, I'd make it beat cars that would normally dust it.

 

[wiretap]

We can list cars that would rape your precious Evo forever, but it won't change the fact that..it's a car that...would rape your precious Evo.

It's all I'm saying. If I slapped a turbo onto anything, I'd make it beat cars that would normally dust it.

Why turbocharge anything when you can just buy a private jet.

 

[smacky]

Why buy a private jet when you could just put 22" Miros on continents and wheel those bitches around?

 

[Puddin422]

Lol!!!

 

[typoerror]

you just really hate evos huh?

well continuing with with the i would if i could game.

id get an '07 997 turbo, throw a tech art body kit on it and call it wrap.

 

[poof101]

Hey fellas, i've been lurking the last couple of days (my Droid X is on backorder), and i came upon this thread thinking it would b full of car lovers that respect each others love of cars...lol, i guess i was wrong. The guy bashing the EVO's made me sign up a little sooner. I own an 08 EvoX GSR, and i am far from a 'ricer'. Some of the comments in this thread are pure ignorance...

To the threadstarter, nice G35 man..i had an 06 6MT Coupe(OBP), loved the styling and luxury...but the X was calling me so i got rid of the G and got the X.

 

[smacky]

you just really hate evos huh?

well continuing with with the i would if i could game.

id get an '07 997 turbo, throw a tech art body kit on it and call it wrap.

Quite the contrary. I hate people that try to validate themselves and their cars simply because they can beat them from a 40-100 roll. Your Evo is not better than a Veyron because it's faster. There's more to a car than just speed. Or performance. They represent much more than that to both the owner and the manufacturer (and their engineers). To criticize the worth of a car simply based off of price and speed is just dumb.

What happened to tuning a cheap car? A 997 will set you back about four Evos.

Hey fellas, i've been lurking the last couple of days (my Droid X is on backorder), and i came upon this thread thinking it would b full of car lovers that respect each others love of cars...lol, i guess i was wrong. The guy bashing the EVO's made me sign up a little sooner. I own an 08 EvoX GSR, and i am far from a 'ricer'. Some of the comments in this thread are pure ignorance...

To the threadstarter, nice G35 man..i had an 06 6MT Coupe(OBP), loved the styling and luxury...but the X was calling me so i got rid of the G and got the X.

Maybe you should read into my comments a bit. The context, etc. If you did, you'd realize plenty of people have been ragging on each other's cars for pages.

Read some more and you'll realize I wasn't bashing the Evo as much as I was bashing the people that defend it like it's the GOAT. It's not.

Not everyone that drives a Japanese car is a "ricer." Not everyone that drives an Evo is a "ricer." My parents have two Japanese cars in their garage (unless you consider Lexus "American" for some odd reason ((and some people do))) so it's not so much country of origin as much as the dumb people that have blinders on and focus only on Japanese cars and how great they are.

 

[Ninja Monkey]

1985 Ford Escort FTW! Nuff said...

 

[typoerror]

What happened to tuning a cheap car? A 997 will set you back about four Evos.

i brought up evos when someone was talking about paying a 100k for a a vette zr1.

for that price id buy two Evos. one for when i felt like shifting and one for when i didnt. and id have plenty of money left to upgrade them.

i brought em again a few posts later when discussing a gt350.

90 g's gets me two EVO's. one for days i felt like shifting and one for when i didnt. with 15k left over for upgrading the gsr.

i chose a used 997 turbo as not only is it bad ass but it fits in hypothetical price range of my previous post.

4 evo's? do you even know what a new evo cost?

2007 porche 911 turbo


i found a nice read. my favorite quote, referring to the evo's AMAZING twin clutch auto manual tranny.

Ironically the BMW M3 uses a version of the Mitsu's Getrag-built hardware.

2010 BMW 335i vs. 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR Touring

you seem to be the guy who prefers elegance. i prefer pure performance. i would go with the evo every time. given as much performance as you get for a much lower price point, id consider that good value rather being cheap.

 

[smacky]

It's cute you didn't note the 335 got the higher performance rating in the very article you posted.

 

[typoerror]

hahaha really? did you really read the article? in performance they were virtually dead even. only exception was braking. the bimmer was hands down better at stopping, giving it a 1.7 point lead in the performance category. hahaha

 

[smacky]

hahaha really? did you really read the article? in performance they were virtually dead even. only exception was braking. the bimmer was hands down better at stopping, giving it a 1.7 point lead in the performance category. hahaha

Did you read your own article? The numbers for performance put the BMW ahead. And that's with it being 4 inches longer and who knows how many pounds heavier.

Reading between the lines, they said the BMW was more fun to drive because you could go wild with it and still bring it back. You'd kill yourself in an Evo, and not because "it's a powerful car;" the suspension is shit.

Read it again.

As big of an Evo fan as you are, it's also cute you don't note that the N54 engine uses Mitsubishi turbos.

 

[typoerror]

Measure It
Acceleration testing produced identical quarter-mile times for the BMW and Mitsubishi of 13.4 seconds. The Bimmer's lighter weight and slight power advantage yielded a higher trap speed (103.5 mph vs. 101.1 mph). But what the Evo gives up in trap speed, it makes up for with a quicker all-wheel-drive launch, allowing the Mitsu to beat the 335i to 60 mph from a standstill by 0.2 second (5.0 seconds vs. 5.2 seconds). With a 1-foot rollout, like you'd use on a drag strip, these times drop to 4.7 and 4.9 seconds.

Despite its large four-piston Brembo brake calipers, the Evo doesn't stop as short as the 335i. From 60 mph the stopping distances are 115 feet and 109 feet, respectively. The Evo's brakes offered more immediate pedal response, but once engaged aggressively, they lack the effectiveness we'd expect in a system this costly. Conversely, the BMW's simpler sliding-caliper brakes setup works brilliantly by offering less immediate bite but better overall effectiveness.

The results from our handling tests for these two cars are close enough to be called a wash. With the Evo turning 69.7 mph through our 600-foot slalom and the BMW recording 69.5 mph, the speed difference is far less important than what we learn about each car's handling dynamics. Perhaps the most valuable lesson in the slalom is that the BMW is very controllable as you approach its limits in right-left transitions. It can be slowly creeped toward the edge, tossed over it and brought back without a labored breath. Surprisingly, the Evo, which is marginally quicker, doesn't like such fast transitions. It will do it, but you better have quick hands and trust your car control when the going gets sideways. that can be huge but i can deal with it


These two cars also manage much the same level of cornering grip around our skid pad. The Evo circles at 0.93g while the 335i manages 0.92g. Differences here are also substantial, with the Evo muscling its way around with brute force and technology while the BMW circles with intuitive grace, dancing on the limit of adhesion with textbook rear-drive balance.

that seems pretty even to me

anyways, to each his own. im not trying to make you an evo guy but the car deserves far more respect then you give it.

 

[smacky]

I give it respect, man. It's you and that other guy that set me off with the "tuner" which comes up in every car forum and it starts a huge 30 page flame war.

I leave you with this to counter your article.

YouTube - BMW 335i vs EVO MR Racing

Check his channel out so you can appreciate the N54 motor: YouTube - Firepoule's Channel

Not sure if the Evo on the right was racing, but... just for comparison: YouTube - 335i VS Cam'd GTO 6.0 (60 roll Race 3)

And finally, just some numbers, the two fastest N54s out there:

1) 11.154 @ 124mph, 1.506 60ft, 7.152 @ 99.410mph 1/8th 135i - OldBooster - JB3, AT, FBO .40shot, ms109, 16" DR's, LSD, Dual Meth, WR

2) 11.339 @ 132mph, 1.844 60ft, 7.498 @ 101.10mph 1/8th 335i - hotrod182 - JB3, AT, DP's, DCI, .28shot, K1+DRs, 97octane, Meth, WR


You can put just as much money into a Bimmer as you can an Evo and walk away with the same or better results. That was the point of this pissing contest.

 

[typoerror]

only point im trying to make is i can be just as happy in my evo as you can be in your bimmer.

as far as the evo is concerned i only like the X. every other generation before it wouldn't ever consider. id take 3 series over them every day of the week.

you can put money into any car to make better then any car.

you say you respect it but when it gets brought up you immediately shit on it. i know its far from the best car in the world. i never once said it was. i do believe however it is a great car for the money and has the potential to be even better for a lot less then other vehicles.

 

[smacky]

Well, it certainly came off as a stereotypical "ricer" attitude to me. But I guess that's my problem.

Taste is subjective, but with all the backlash against the "toning-down" of the X (stock) that came from enthusiasts, it's hard to give the X the respect. The IX and VII are the ones everyone was after after FATF came out and they were monsters. I just don't think the X looks intimidating enough, and with all the parts out for the IX and earlier, it's tough for me to say the X truly is as great.

 

[bknewtype]

my cousin owned all the generations of the evo, and currently has an X, and in his opinion, he says it outperformed all his previous evos. he tunes and hooks them up, so he knows what hes talking about. but i honestly prefer the ix mr over the x anyway. the x looks just plain ugly sometimes!

come on guys lets not bash on each others "opinion" of their perfect car. we all have our own opinions and we should respect it. if the dude wants to spend 100k on 2 evos, let him lol

some people may think its not worth putting x amount into a "shitbox" as you would say it, but to the driver/builder it is worth it. people say that all the time with my g35. "why bother spending money on it because at the end of the day its still a g35". well guess what? i love my g35 and spending money on it will make me love it even more. everyone has a different mentality on how to spend the money on the car. it may not be worth it to one person, but it is to another.

you are right, putting like 15k into a car to make it faster than, lets say a m5, does not make it better than an m5. but for some pure car enthusist, the only thing that matters is to be able to build a car that is capable of taking on a car that is 3x the price. but obviously there will be some sacrifices ( ride quality, comfort, road noise, etc).

lets leave all that behind! im actually debating to get a new car next year. considering the 335xi coupe, g37s coupe/vert, or go luxury and get a benz e350. if not, i was going to do a full new paint job!

 

[wiretap]

Smacky... are you 12 years old or something?

 

[bamaster]

you are right, putting like 15k into a car to make it faster than, lets say a m5, does not make it better than an m5. but for some pure car enthusist, the only thing that matters is to be able to build a car that is capable of taking on a car that is 3x the price.

I dropped a little over $11k on my Mustang GT on performance mods. For me, it was mainly about my passion for Mustangs. There's something about making it very personal. Of course, there's that whole thing about NOT being beat by modded rice.

There's this one fool in my neighborhood with a tricked out G35 who races everyone. He lost to me, soundly. Doesn't stop him from lining up every friggin time he sees me, though. hehe

Even if I had a GT500, I'd still throw on a bigger blower, different wheels, springs, spoiler, exhaust, maybe custom paint... etc. Whatever I start off with is just the beginning. If you're a "car guy" you understand.

 

[krouget]

Whatever I start off with is just the beginning. If you're a "car guy" you understand.

Agreed. For me, I don't build cars to outperform others in performance per dollar contests, especially since in the end, it comes down to performance per driver (emphasized by an early model neon on street tires, posting top lap times during a day of autoX, beating out competition like the Cayman and my buddies NC MX-5).

To each their own, but IMO, building cars with the specific goal of trying to one-up faster factory cars, or otherwise, doesn't prove much, especially when its something like a brief highway sprint. No production car ever built had its price tag solely tied to performance/$, without a host of other factors also being included, meaning its a rather selective, opportune comparison. Put either car on a course, and post good numbers, though, and that's a more objective measure of performance, while it also meets the call of an enthusiast.

 

[bknewtype]

whole point for me in modding is to be different. i want people to know what sets my car apart from the others. a grey g35 is VERY common in new york, not to mention brooklyn. thats why i got a front bumper that no one has, wheels that no one rocked, and other cosmetics that people dont use with the color, etc. i have some performance mods, but its not for competing against fast cars or anything. its just for pure enjoyment for myself. sometimes i like going fast(ER).

 

[smacky]

Smacky... are you 12 years old or something?

Wouldn't it be even more pathetic that you were arguing on a forum with one?

im actually debating to get a new car next year. considering the 335xi coupe, g37s coupe/vert, or go luxury and get a benz e350. if not, i was going to do a full new paint job!

They're refreshing the 3er in the next two years. If you want something fresh, you might wanna wait. If you want to save some money, you can catch an E9X 3er on its way out for a lot less.

The problem is, the newer models that have used the N54 in the past have switched to a single-turbo that hasn't been modded much, and at lower speeds (sub-100mph) is slower, or barely keeping up with its N54, TT counterpart.

So maybe go used on the 335 and get an N54?

 

[bknewtype]

Wouldn't it be even more pathetic that you were arguing on a forum with one?



They're refreshing the 3er in the next two years. If you want something fresh, you might wanna wait. If you want to save some money, you can catch an E9X 3er on its way out for a lot less.

The problem is, the newer models that have used the N54 in the past have switched to a single-turbo that hasn't been modded much, and at lower speeds (sub-100mph) is slower, or barely keeping up with its N54, TT counterpart.

So maybe go used on the 335 and get an N54?

im actually looking into a 2008 335xi that my co worker has. her lease is up next year and shes returning it. it has 12k miles on it or so, so i dont think it would be a bad buy. to be honest, without the m package, the 3 series look like crap imo.