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I'm not crazy about him either, but we need someone who gets the 1237 delegates with our votes and he's the only one that's close enough to have a legitimate chance. The only other possible outcome involves someone who got less votes or someone that wasn't even running. Either of those will lead to a Republican loss because the people that are energized right now won't vote at all in November.

So it's not about how much you like him, it's about how much you want the Republican Party to stay alive. And stop pointing that gun at me.
 
Why do you need someone who gets the 1237 delegates.

The rules clearly account for the possibility of that not happening and it's not as if it would be the first time.

A Trump win would fracture the party anyway... So anyone voting for him to salvage the republicans is going to be disappointed.
 
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Am I missing something, but if you are a Republican party supporter, you would vote for the Republican party candidate, whoever that is? And for those undecided on which way to vote, having Trump as the chosen candidate would make them less likely to vote for the party. Surely you want someone with general mass appeal, and we know that Trump has alienated women voters already.
 
Trump has had a few stumbles lately, I admit. And for the umpteenth time, I'd feel better if Cruz was the one closer to 1237, but the only way he can win the primary is via a contested convention. I'd also feel better if Kasich go the hell out of this. Anyway, it's starting to look like it is going contested now, so our opinions, not to mention out votes, don't mean a damn thing.
 
jefboyardee said:
So it's not about how much you like him, it's about how much you want the Republican Party to stay alive. And stop pointing that gun at me.
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And THIS is where we have a fundamental difference in objectives.

My goal is the well-being of the country via the long-term survival of conservatism.

The goal of most Trump supporters is to chalk a win in the R column.

If the Republican party chooses Trump, they've clearly abandoned conservatism entirely. At which point I could give **** all if they continue to survive.
 
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If the Republican party chooses Trump, they've clearly abandoned conservatism entirely.
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That's funny you put it that way. The RNC has long been accused of having abandoned conservatism. And along comes candidate that's regarded as also lacking conservatism, and the RNC wants nothing to do with him.

The goal of most Trump supporters is to chalk a win in the R column.
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Given the alternative, I can't argue with that.
 
I'm tired of explaining myself over and over. I'll put this as simply as I can: come November, there will be one Republican and one Democrat running for president. I have no control over who the candidates will be and it doesn't really matter – I'm going to vote Republican.
 
To Paraphrase GK Chesterton
“‘My Party , right or wrong,’ is a thing that nobody should think of saying. It is like saying, ‘My mother, drunk or sober.’”
 
In chaotic GOP race, an intense battle for delegates plays out under the radar

In any ordinary year, this would be an obscure and suspense-free process, in which local party regulars are rewarded with tickets to the convention in order to focus on partying and casting a pro-forma vote for the presumptive GOP nominee.

But this is no ordinary year. The growing likelihood that front-runner Donald Trump will not secure the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination has forced the candidates to prepare for a once unimaginable prospect: The nomination could be settled at a contested convention.​
 
The idea of Trump becoming the Republican candidate would make me feel shame for being a registered Republican. I mean he is actually able to make McCain look good. Hillary shouldn't even be in this race because she was already president twice.
 
Times have changed. While it still appears that Trump will have the most delegates, it does not appear that he'll enough of them. That will lead to the contested convention, where anything is possible, where our votes mean nothing...

Cruz Takes Solid Lead Over Trump in Wisconsin

Cruz’s expected victory in Wisconsin would make a contested Republican convention likelier

Is Wisconsin the End of the Line for Donald Trump?

And then, the unbelievable...

Top Republicans Predict Speaker Ryan Will Be GOP Pick
 
Why is a contested convention the sign of changed times? It's certainly not unique... At most I suppose you could say it hasn't happened for a while.
 
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This is going to a contested convention. Cruz just passed Trump in a national poll by Reuters of likely Republican voters.

People are realizing the emperor has no clothes. Time for Trump to fall.
 
I agree that it's now very possible, even likely that it's going to be contested. But two things that'll cause the wrong side to get elected are the RNC pulling someone like Ryan out of their hat, or Trump actually going third party.

And to repeat myself ad nauseam, I was only encouraged by Trump because he had a good shot at getting nominated. But he has (predictably) tripped over his tongue too many times, and now no one has a good shot at anything.
 
I like to think Ryan won't get picked. Remember, the delegates are chosen at local and state conventions. A lot more grassroots activity is involved than just a bunch of old establishment cronies sitting in a brandy room.

I think there's a good chance of Cruz taking it if it goes to Cleveland.
 
Ted Cruz Wins Wisconsin Primary

Ted Cruz won the Wisconsin presidential primary on Tuesday, dealing a blow to front-runner Donald Trump's hopes of amassing the delegates needed for the party's nomination ahead of the July convention and boosting the chances of a rare contested convention.​
 
Donald Trump, Sore Loser.

Ted Cruz won the Wisconsin Republican primary tonight, making it much more difficult for Donald Trump to win the GOP nomination before the convention in July (indeed, he now needs the same percent of remaining delegates as Bernie Sanders does to win the Democrat primary). As the results were coming in, The Donald released a pitiful, nasty statement unworthy of a presidential candidate.​
 
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