Exactly! Both private schools and private health insurance is of a better quality in this country. I can't speak for Ireland, the UK, Canada, or any other country. That's the way it is here, though.
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Proof that the Democrats are Socialists
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Exactly! Both private schools and private health insurance is of a better quality in this country. I can't speak for Ireland, the UK, Canada, or any other country. That's the way it is here, though.
ElasticNinja
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Private Healthcare is better than none in Ireland
Private school is better than public
Why? well we have a two tier healthcare .. if you pay for insurance you get preferencial treatment in public hospitals
as for schools, in Ireland, working class and non Irish kids don't go to private schools, they can also afford more facilities
Private school is better than public
Why? well we have a two tier healthcare .. if you pay for insurance you get preferencial treatment in public hospitals
as for schools, in Ireland, working class and non Irish kids don't go to private schools, they can also afford more facilities
ElasticNinja
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so why not free for all education since it makes for "the best system"
lordofthereef
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Just got caught up with the thread.
You guys are advocating getting rid of government run schools yet I was the one called the extremist the other day?
You guys are advocating getting rid of government run schools yet I was the one called the extremist the other day?
2strokenut
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The private sector changes to increase productivity or in the case of education, changes to improve education. One school does much better than another which in turn attracts more parents. A govt run school has no incentive to improve. What are you going to do about it? complain to the NEA? lol
Government run schools are the ones that are failing and in shambles. Privates schools are doing fine and there are long waiting lists for students to get into some because they are the best schools around. We have free, public education in America, and it sucks compared to the private education industry.
I don't want to get rid of public schools completely. I want to give poorer people the chance to get a quality education, even if that means giving them a school voucher so they can go to a private school. Another option is to allow them to transfer to a neighboring school district. The bad schools will shut down because nobody wants to go to them while the schools that are able to keep up a standard of academic excellence will continue to operate.
LoyalServant
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I notice that a lot of people use 'socialism' like a punch line to a bad joke.
You need to stop listening to your preacher and think with your heads people....
When you start reminding people that the US is predominately socialist they are quick to argue.. but... police, fire, EMS, schools, court systems.... all paid for by tax dollars just like medicare.
If people are up in arms about the national debt they should be..
military spending increases by leaps and bounds and we take money from fire departments, police, EMS .....
Then you have the special interests... like your telecoms and other companies such as GE that evade taxes legally.
Perhaps the 'socialism' punchline that is pushed heavily in a negative light is not so bad when you think about it?
Take the time to actually think about what you get, and when your tea party groups want to 'kill socialism' think of a world with no EMS, no police, no fire, no public schools.... and no medicare for grandma.
If the tea party people really want to go after spending, I am all for it but knock off the misinformation campaigns and actually DO something instead of be another talking head, and doing just that: talking.
You need to stop listening to your preacher and think with your heads people....
When you start reminding people that the US is predominately socialist they are quick to argue.. but... police, fire, EMS, schools, court systems.... all paid for by tax dollars just like medicare.
If people are up in arms about the national debt they should be..
military spending increases by leaps and bounds and we take money from fire departments, police, EMS .....
Then you have the special interests... like your telecoms and other companies such as GE that evade taxes legally.
Perhaps the 'socialism' punchline that is pushed heavily in a negative light is not so bad when you think about it?
Take the time to actually think about what you get, and when your tea party groups want to 'kill socialism' think of a world with no EMS, no police, no fire, no public schools.... and no medicare for grandma.
If the tea party people really want to go after spending, I am all for it but knock off the misinformation campaigns and actually DO something instead of be another talking head, and doing just that: talking.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
over here schools compete to do better than each other with rankings and such
My post was directed at Freak
Here in America, you are assigned to a public school based on your address. Rankings don't matter since you can't choose what school you go to unless you apply for a transfer, which is getting increasingly hard to do since almost everybody is applying for those.
ElasticNinja
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I didn't know that
I just learnt that public schools are funded by local government
This means inner city schools often suffer from lack of funding
Still there is something wrong if you are pumping money into schools in poor areas and not getting results .... perhaps a cultural issue
I know. My solution is to allow those students to get financial aid to go to private school and give students in disadvantaged district priority when applying for transfers to another public school district.
Bob Maxey
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I recall when Court-ordered busing to achieve school desegregation was done. And they put fluoride in the water and charged us ten cents for a carton of milk, for god's sake.
But I digress.
I also remember living right across the street from a school but because of my address, I had to travel 5 or 6 miles or so to go to school. Did not make much sense to me, but I was a no-nothing kid at the time.
I think schools should be public, but keep the government out of it. eliminate teacher unions and require that the teachers at least appear to care. I am not against private schools or privatized schools. Let them make money, but it must be based upon outcome and performance.
Rid the schools of cell phones and tablets and all children must wear uniforms.
Beat those kids that do not obey! That's what I say.
Oxymoron much?
Isthmus
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What I fail to understand is why exactly is any form of government sponsored social policy a bad thing? To hear the extreme right say it, you would think that a return to the days of frontier settlements (which in themselves where a form of government social policy - but that's a different story) are the preferred form of society.
I never said that all government-sponsored social policies are bad, but they should be limited. I'm a libertarian, not an anarchist.
as439726
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Praise JEBUS! Lol. Democrat and Republican aren't the problem. Pig headed stubbornness is. We as a nation have a responsibility to protect our nation. They need to do what's right first. Labels will be our undoing. You think you're broke now, imagine if we followed the republican party line. That doesn't mean Democrats are all correct. It just means they had to compromise. A good first step if they are all in a room talking. Now they need to all grow up and work together for the common good. If no re-election option makes it easier than so be it
2strokenut
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I'm sorry I must be out of the loop, what is the Republican party line?
Isthmus
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I don't think I was addressing you (or anyone else) specifically. The comment was based on the thread as a whole.
Bob Maxey
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Perhaps I should have been a tad more clear. Try this:
The government should build the buildings, and provide the required tools for learning, and that's it. Let educators do educate, just as long as they provide balance without revision and/or agenda.
My brothers little ones showed me their history books. All that was said about the Civil War was contained in perhaps a single page. MLK, on the other hand, received a full chapter. MLK was far less important than the Civil War.
They told me that they did not discuss the Vietnam War or say much about our Founding Fathers.
Public school teachers must be tested and they must be competent teachers. We eliminate teacher unions, too.
Let the PTA do its job and teachers do their jobs and final testing to ensure that students have learned the basics.
School vouchers are a good idea because it allows parents to find the best schools for their little ones. If public schools can become as good as (not all) private schools, then public schools will likely grow. Each type must be proven through testing, which we all agree must be done to make sure our taxes are well spent and we end up with kids that can compete out there in the big and scary real world.
Bob
Bob Maxey
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The issue is not that ALL social programs are bad. The issue their constantly expanding and excessive nature. So they grow and grow and eventually, we cannot eliminate them. Well, we can, but we lack guts these days.
Welfare is good for some, in some cases because sometimes people need help through no fault of their own. So it is needed in some cases.
Unfortunately, it has become institutionalized to such a point that generations of families live on welfare and they do not know any other way to live. And if a politician decided to try to fix it, they are often called racist or they think they will be called racist and that frightens them.
Home loans are good, but when you reflect on what recently went so horribly wrong, it is clear that we need to change. Lending money to someone to buy a house with no money down and no proof of income is abhorrent. But it was how it was done all across the land and it was largely a government created disaster we all will pay for for decades to come.
And before you accuse bankers of being greedy, research "redlining." Many lenders were told that lots of trouble would come their way if they do not cooperate and make thousands of loans that in no possible way, would be paid off by the borrowers.
Many of these programs are in place because of some skewed idea of what "Fairness" should mean.
We need to evaluate just how helpful these programs are and start telling people their ride is almost over so get your (deleted) together or you will suffer.
We need a Grace Commission.
Isthmus
Android Expert
No need to look it up Bob. I'm one of those greedy bankers. More specifically working in commercial real estate lending. I saw this mess happen from the inside and trust me, nobody held anyone's feet to the fire. the entire industry could see the train getting ready to drive off the rails, and most either ignored it or simply thought they could jump off at the last minute and be ok. Don't kid yourself what drove caps down was a combination of greed taking advantage of the feds unwillingness to let inflation creep in, and no other investment class providing the types of returns that real estate was providing at the time.
BTW, The exact same dynamics that created the original ubble, have not changed and the same tyoes of transactions are already starting to drive the system again. People got burned badly last time so they might be more cuatious for a while, but this business is notorious for it's short memory.
When the ACLU and the libs in Congress are forcing bankers to lend money to low-income minorities that have no way of paying it back, what do they expect to happen?
Bob Maxey
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Depends on where you go and what you read.
We are apparently, gun toting, bible thumping, big business people that have more money than even the Jews; we hate blacks, want all democrats dead or deceased, and we are planing to put an oil derrick up the arse's of every reindeer and moose in Alaska, Mother Earth . . . go screw yourself.
We love war because we are war profiteers and we attack innocents like those in the middle east just because they have oil and we want it. We killed the indians with smallpox, after all.
Profit is all we understand and we are always looking to keep the black man down. We only listen to country or gospel music and when we take over, if you do not bend to our God Fearing will, you will be enslaved or killed or sent to Narnia to live out your live manufacturing little Jesus statues for our pickup trucks and Hummers.
We are bigoted, racist homophobes that want everything, screw the rest.
Bob Maxey
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I love bankers, just saying. Especially the girly ones.
I recall a story in our local paper. Tell me what you think. I'll be brief
This woman and her hubby each made a few dollars above minimum wage. Both had cars, credit cards, a child, debts a plenty. They borrowed to buy a $180,000.00 home and were able to close in a very short time.
No down payment and they apparently did not need to prove income.
As I recall, they could not afford the payments so the lender simply deducted what they could afford to pay from the actual payment they would be making and added the missing payment amount to the cost of the home.
So if the payments were $1,500.00/month and they only paid $1000.00, the missing $500.00 was added to the cost of the house. So the first month, they actually bought a $180,500.00 house; the next month, a $181,000.00 house and so forth.
So the cost of the house increased each month, and it was an interest only house, so they were living in a costly "apartment" and building nothing for the future.
They were quite amazed to discover that after ten years, they would (apparently) have zero equity and this is why it was a story. She wanted to sue because she did not read the fine print.
Really dangerous way to run a business, but in many cases, banker/lenders did not have a choice. Thanks Barney.
In many school systems, the textbooks were approved by parent committees. From the horror stories I've read in the past, it was undereducated parents voting on facts and censoring material until nothing was left that resulted in the textbooks you describe.
Letting people vote on facts never turns out well at all.
Doesn't matter how competent the teacher can be if the textbooks are chosen by the marshmallow gang.
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