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Rand Paul...

Bob Maxey said:
Yes they do. That's why I love them both to pieces. Try to find mistakes in what they say, however. You simply hate those two and you do so without any knowledge of what they say because you never listened to Limbaugh
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hakr100 said:
There are, literally, hundreds, if not thousands of cites available to anyone with a search engine that describe the years of outright lies told and furthered along by the likes of Limbaugh and Coulter.

Just put "Coulter's Lies" or "Limbaugh's Lies" in a search engine, and you will come up with many examples, most of which are legit.

Here's a cite for Coulter:

Guilty: Coulter's latest book filled with falsehoods | Media Matters for America

If you don't like those, there are plenty more you can find without any serious effort.
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Media Matters is the best you can come up with? And you seem to believe that every search result returned by Google is factual. I am not so sure you have verified the accuracy of every web site returned.



Bob
 
Rand is going to be just as entertaining as O'Donnell, Palin, Bachmann, Angle, and the rest of the great thinkers on the far right. Maybe more so, since he'll be a U.S. Senator and will continue to be asked about and say things that make him look like a fool. You know, like being against parts of the Civil Rights Act. That sort of funny stuff.

I'm looking forward to collections of the "Wisdom of Rand Paul." He's going to displace Dan Quayle.
 
You all are just jealous of Rand Paul. It's ok. There's a support group for you guys...it's in Greece, you should go there, they could use your socialist money that you are so willingly to give up to the government.

ps-that was a bit of sarcasm, don't get all butthert.
 
TheBeardedMann said:
You all are just jealous of Rand Paul. It's ok. There's a support group for you guys...it's in Greece, you should go there, they could use your socialist money that you are so willingly to give up to the government.

ps-that was a bit of sarcasm, don't get all butthert.
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Greece is a country who shoulfd be much poorer than it is
They made themselves a highly developed countries by massive borrowing
The professional classes wont pay tax and neither will the rich or working classes
Instead they riot

Trust me dude, I live in Ireland
We overspent and undertaxed
Overincentivised construction and underregulated the banks - the "wild west of capitilism"

Ireland 2000-2010 is what happens with your beloved lassez faire capitilism

I support the cuts and taxes
It hurts
My parents are public servents
Their wages have been cut by 10%, and new taxes and removed benefits have cut about another 8% of that
Their salaries will be cut more now the IMF are here
 
TheBeardedMann said:
You all are just jealous of Rand Paul. It's ok. There's a support group for you guys...it's in Greece, you should go there, they could use your socialist money that you are so willingly to give up to the government.

ps-that was a bit of sarcasm, don't get all butthert.
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I don't mind giving up money to the government if society gets something valuable in return. I would have spent the trillion bucks on infrastructure -new roads, bridges, high-speed rail, et cetera.

I am jealous of Randy's hair...if it is really his.
 
hakr100 said:
I don't mind giving up money to the government if society gets something valuable in return. I would have spent the trillion bucks on infrastructure -new roads, bridges, high-speed rail, et cetera.

I am jealous of Randy's hair...if it is really his.
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I don't mind either, it's the "something valuable in return" that we disagree on. Strong defensive military, nuclear power, etc. But I do mind giving up money for bailouts, unnecessary welfare, aid to other countries in excessive amounts, etc.

As far as the hair, I'll agree with you:
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Fyi, regardless of what we blame Bush for...after 9/11 America wanted to kick some ass. We didn't need WMD's we could have found something else. In the end congress gave their stamp of approval and it just so happened that Iraq was walking too close to the line at the worst time possible. I still want to lay someone over my knee for what happened that day...more then anything because the people that died that day were not military...
 
Crude said:
I still want to lay someone over my knee for what happened that day...more then anything because the people that died that day were not military...
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Yes thousands of innocent Iraqis died that they
I believe Iraq can be fixed
Its full of reasonable people - lets hope they vote correctly

TheBeardedMan said:
I don't mind either, it's the "something valuable in return" that we disagree on. Strong defensive military, nuclear power, etc.
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You have the former, agree with you on the latter (but ffs fix your disposal issues :()
But I do mind giving up money for bailouts,
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My country has been destroyed by them
aid to other countries in excessive amounts, etc.
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I would prefer if we paid producers a fair price instead of lots of aid
And most of Africa could probably do with a communist government....
 
Strings said:
Why would you saddle them with a governmental system that has been proven not to work in the real world?
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Impose a stong government, that could stamp out corruption, take over industry controlled by rich and foreigners, rebuild economy, improve health & education, reduce birth rates

Then slowly dismantle it like China is doing
Unless they do a Russia on it and end up with a worse system afterwards :rolleyes:
Of course, once the communists get in power they wont leave, this being humans and all, and citizens will have personal freedoms reduced almost certainly :eek:

Besides, its not like Africa is innovating or attracting FDI anyway

I'm not talking about the Med states or SA BTW ;)
 
Impose a stong government, that could stamp out corruption, take over industry controlled by rich and foreigners, rebuild economy, improve health & education, reduce birth rates
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Unfortunately, a government strong enough to do what you ask, would end up; becoming completely corrupt, flat out stealing all industry, ruin the economy, steal the money from healthcare, dumb down education, leaving the people nothing to do BUT increase the birth rate... ;)

They've tried many things in Africa. The problem remains that Africans still haven't learned to deal with groups larger than tribes. Unless the continent was carved up into VERY small countries, each only supporting one tribe, you're going to have constant conflict...

Had an African immigrant describe sub-Saharan Africa as "a land where it was always 1158 am"...
 
Strings said:
Unfortunately, a government strong enough to do what you ask, would end up; becoming completely corrupt, flat out stealing all industry, ruin the economy, steal the money from healthcare, dumb down education, leaving the people nothing to do BUT increase the birth rate... ;)
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I doubt that
Most African governments are completeley corrupt anyway, fixing the economy would reduce that (corruption in communist countries can aldso happen when wages are too high - East Germany)
As for the economy, there is nothing their to destroy, education in nearly every communist country is better than similar GDP countries (and everyone would have a chance), same with healthcare, and impose a one/two child policy or do a kerela on it ;)
They've tried many things in Africa. The problem remains that Africans still haven't learned to deal with groups larger than tribes. Unless the continent was carved up into VERY small countries, each only supporting one tribe, you're going to have constant conflict...
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The main reason why I said that is because it could start to rid itself of these tribal systems (this failed epccly in Afghanistan, natch, largelt thx to the US)
Had an African immigrant describe sub-Saharan Africa as "a land where it was always 1158 am"...
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Thats interesting
From African immigrants I know (most being doctors) they feel there is an overdependance on aid (that said - its easy for them to say)
 
Strings said:
They've tried many things in Africa. The problem remains that Africans still haven't learned to deal with groups larger than tribes. Unless the continent was carved up into VERY small countries, each only supporting one tribe, you're going to have constant conflict...
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Gosh, my wife and I have an African friend (a Kenyan) who runs a country wide program to combat the spread of the HIV virus. She deals with all sorts of groups, tribal and otherwise, and reports a high degree of cooperation between these groups.
She has an earned doctorate from a prestigious U.S. university. Her husband is a graduate of the London School of Economics and is troubleshooter for the World Bank. He also works with some African nations, in all cases groups larger than tribes.

So, what's your doctorate in?
 
From African immigrants I know (most being doctors) they feel there is an overdependance on aid (that said - its easy for them to say)
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Actually, that doesn't help. WAY too much money gets poured in, and taken by various "warlords" (some of which have set up as the legitimate government), which helps keep them in power...

And Hakr: you don't need a doctorate to draw conclusions. And siting your friend's doctorate (and then trying to question what y education is) is nothing more than borrowing authority.

Then again, you seem to have an issue with me, anyway. So... how 'bout we ignore each-other, in hopes we'll go away?
 
Strings said:
Actually, that doesn't help. WAY too much money gets poured in, and taken by various "warlords" (some of which have set up as the legitimate government), which helps keep them in power...

And Hakr: you don't need a doctorate to draw conclusions. And siting your friend's doctorate (and then trying to question what y education is) is nothing more than borrowing authority.

Then again, you seem to have an issue with me, anyway. So... how 'bout we ignore each-other, in hopes we'll go away?
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You haven't convinced me you have the education or experience to make the general pronouncements you seem to favor.

I have two earned degrees. My wife is a doctor. What's your education and experiential background?
 
Strings said:
Actually, that doesn't help. WAY too much money gets poured in, and taken by various "warlords" (some of which have set up as the legitimate government), which helps keep them in power...
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Personally, I feel that giving money to very corrupt governments is a terrible governmemt
Even food aid is often distributed corruptely
While I do support aid including monetary aid, I feel preference should be given to less corrupt countries
I also support debt forgiveness, particularly for countries with a (positive) regime change
As I stated before, the best thing would be fixing the trade system
As clearly developed countries and their electorate do not give two shits about this[/b] - I just felt that these coubtries worst affected (sub saharan ones) could do with a strong idealogical (democratic - probably wishful thinking) communist government for that area which would take over industry could fix it themselves
 
hakr100 said:
You haven't convinced me you have the education or experience to make the general pronouncements you seem to favor.

I have two earned degrees. My wife is a doctor. What's your education and experiential background?
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not to sound like a dick. Having a degree is just a piece of paper saying you met at least the minimum requirements to earn your degree. It doesn't really mean you are an expert in anything. You have to go out and prove you know what you are talking about.

Just like a doctor (not saying your wife is like this. so don't think I am attacking her.) How many graduates to become a doctor. Turns out to be quacks?

For you to have made that statement just shows you as being arrogant. Having a degree doesn't prove you right over a person that might not have a degree.
 
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