Romney vs. Obama

[Bob Maxey]

Got a source for this?

Yes! Read the 2,074 page House Health Reform bill. No sense quoting something from the web when you can peruse the actual document that is currently the law of the land.

I think it is HR3200.

Apparently, the bill makes RFID chip implants mandatory. Re: section 2521, pg. 1001, paragraph 1.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Vote for romney

Can you stop being a brainwashed zombie here and actually, you know, contribute something? It's extremely annoying.

The same can be said every election. The incumbent always has more foreign policy experience 'cuz they've been doing it for four years.

Ah that is a very fair point. Must say though that Obama knew a lot more about the world pre-election than Romney seems to now mind. Still, Romney does not have "foreign policy" as a credible argument.

 

[Rachel A]

Yes! Read the 2,074 page House Health Reform bill. No sense quoting something from the web when you can peruse the actual document that is currently the law of the land.

I think it is HR3200.

Apparently, the bill makes RFID chip implants mandatory. Re: section 2521, pg. 1001, paragraph 1.

HR3200 died in committee so it's hardly the law of the land. Anything in there is therefore rudimentary at best. I read up on it though - it talks more about devices patients currently have implanted - I could see nothing that said they must be.

Alarmist talk again.

Next time I'd suggest checking your 'facts' before posting garbage from sites that do nothing but dispense rumor. I found many conservative sites out there that are claimed this had been signed and this was hidden in the bowels of the bill and how clever they were to find it out... All rather sad really.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Not sure what your point is. The opposite of divisive is unifying, not leadership. When 50% of the population votes against you in an election and 53% of the population thinks you are wrong on global warming, how are you not a divisive person? I don't know that Copernicus was all that divisive as pretty much everyone disagreed with him. Just for the record, the dictionary definition of the word is:

1. forming or expressing division or distribution.

2. creating dissension or discord.


I think both of those definitions (and certainly the second one) apply to Gore. Again, the opposite of divisive is unifying. Gore is not a unifying person in the political arena.



And on that you are completely and totally wrong. Did you not even look at the link I posted? Only 47% of Americans believe global warming is man made and 40% believe it's not happening at all. You really think that a politically polarizing figure like Gore being the public figure of the movement hasn't contributed to that at all?

Your claim that Gore was divisive because he ran for public office is just your opinion. Gore was a leader in educating the public on global warming, but was outspent by those that had a financial interest in fossil fuels. Gore was right per the scientists, the deniers caused the divisiveness. The public is waking up to this deception.

70% in one poll now agree with Gore. One shouldn't base policy on polls. Leaders should listen to those with unbiased knowledge on the issue to make policy.

Record Heat Wave Pushes U.S. Belief in Climate Change to 70% - Businessweek

"In a poll taken July 12-16, 70 percent of respondents said they think the climate is changing, compared with 65 percent in a similar poll in March. Those saying it

 

[A.Nonymous]

It's not my opinion though. The polls back it up. Half of the people in the US do not believe that global warming is man made. Half of the people in America did not vote for Gore. How is that not divisive?

Do you really honestly believe that Gore being the public face of global warming has nothing to do with those numbers? You really think the only reason those numbers are the way they are is because big corporations have spent money on promoting the opposing opinion? Really?

 

[OutofDate1980]

It's not my opinion though. The polls back it up. Half of the people in the US do not believe that global warming is man made. Half of the people in America did not vote for Gore. How is that not divisive?

Cause and effect. Not voting for Gore and the public's perception on global warming has no relationship. Gore gets bashed by the deniers due to speaking an Inconvenient Truth as he's the most prominent spokesperson. The deniers have a lot of money to purport their propaganda. Gore is considered divisive only by the deniers because he is just telling the public what the scientific community agree on.

Do you really honestly believe that Gore being the public face of global warming has nothing to do with those numbers? You really think the only reason those numbers are the way they are is because big corporations have spent money on promoting the opposing opinion? Really?

You got it. The deniers such as Koch and allies funds fake research and finances groups opposed to the truth that Gore speaks of. The deniers spread disinformation that the scientific community has no consensus concerning global warming and the cause, while 97% agree that there is global warming and it's man made.

Gore being a hindrance to unifying public opinion isn't true. The hindrance is the fossil fuel industry funding of divisiveness of the general public via fake research and propaganda. There is no divisiveness in the scientific public.

 

[rushmore]

Except Bush emptied social security and ran high deficits. Greeks had tons of good years as well, doesn't mean their government wasn't rubbish.

Due to his desire to work with democrats. Most of the results were due to compromising. Funny how that gets overlooked To Obama's credit, he has NOT compromised, but the results have been exponentially worse.

I actually voted for Clinton twice, but now that he is going to spin for BO at the convention, I want my votes back. There is no excuse and no rational way to spin the incompetence.

 

[OutofDate1980]

Due to his desire to work with democrats. Most of the results were due to compromising. Funny how that gets overlooked To Obama's credit, he has NOT compromised, but the results have been exponentially worse.

I actually voted for Clinton twice, but now that he is going to spin for BO at the convention, I want my votes back. There is no excuse and no rational way to spin the incompetence.

BS. Republicans have no desire to compromise. Their goal and only goal is too make Obama a one term president. They opposed legislation that they once supported just to jam up the system.

 

[Android311]

BS. Republicans have no desire to compromise. Their goal and only goal is too make Obama a one term president. They opposed legislation that they once supported just to jam up the system.

Not true, Obama is like a dictator.....it's either his way or no way. He dossent care about the people. He blames republicans of why nothing gets done. That's just an excuse he uses because he dosent know what he is doing.

Romney 2012

 

[Android311]

I would like to see less union jobs and more private businesses take over. More off shore drilling (until we find a better way and more logical way of better energy for our cars) Less taxes, Less government, more jobs in America

I'm not saying unions are bad, I'm saying that we should cut everything. Jerry brown in California cuts everything BUT the unions, why? Because they are to powerful, what happens when groups are powerful? They take over and demand what they want.

I say more off shore drilling, why? Because we need a quick solution, LOWER GAS PRICES, we don't need a solution that will take 10 years from now to work, we need a solution now. Sure off shore drilling isn't the best idea but what else is there? Yes there are hybrids but hybrids arnt that clean either, they do use batterys that are very harmful to the environment

Obama=Big government=Power
Mitt Romney=Big Business=Money

You choose, what's more dangerous? Read your history books kids....history repeats itself...

Republicans are the last real americans, we want America to be america. We follow our own ways, we are the leader. Democrats want use to be like Europe or Canada...where free health care is corrupt and is a system that is broken. Every country wants to be like America, we have freedom. But the democrats want to take that away.

I'm not a hard core republican....that's weird lol I just see what's going on around me and I observe alot.
I don't want Obama to fail, I don't want anyone to fail, I just don't want him to make a bad choice that will leave America cripple for a long time

 

[saptech]

Republicans are the last real americans, we want America to be america. We follow our own ways, we are the leader. Democrats want use to be like Europe or Canada...where free health care is corrupt and is a system that is broken. Every country wants to be like America, we have freedom. But the democrats want to take that away.

Here we go again. I posted this in another thread but it can apply here also.

Since Nixon up to Obama, we've had seven presidents with the Republicans in office 28 years and Democrats 16.

Nixon=8 yrs, including Ford taking over. Watergate fraud.
Carter=4, the first oil crisis.
Reagan=8 yrs, Irangate fraud.
GHW Bush=4 yrs. War with Iraq.
Clinton=8yrs, Monicagate, which really didn't harm the country.
GW Bush=8 yrs, All kinds of mishaps such as 2 wars for no real reason.
Obama=4 yrs. You can name something.

Seems to me the republicans in office always end up with some of the worst legacy left behind.

How is healthcare for everyone is not freedom? The current healthcare system works to an extent but it has major flaws also. Such if you don't have any insurance and goto the ER for services, then if you need follow up care, you're out of luck without insurance.

I do agree with you on some of what you said.

 

[A.Nonymous]

Cause and effect. Not voting for Gore and the public's perception on global warming has no relationship. Gore gets bashed by the deniers due to speaking an Inconvenient Truth as he's the most prominent spokesperson. The deniers have a lot of money to purport their propaganda. Gore is considered divisive only by the deniers because he is just telling the public what the scientific community agree on.

You got it. The deniers such as Koch and allies funds fake research and finances groups opposed to the truth that Gore speaks of. The deniers spread disinformation that the scientific community has no consensus concerning global warming and the cause, while 97% agree that there is global warming and it's man made.

Gore being a hindrance to unifying public opinion isn't true. The hindrance is the fossil fuel industry funding of divisiveness of the general public via fake research and propaganda. There is no divisiveness in the scientific public.

Wow. I just have no real response. I can't relate to whatever reality you're living in. In your reality, you can take a politically polarizing figure, make him the public face of a cause and that doesn't affect how the public sees the cause at all. The only thing that affects how the public sees the cause is those who oppose said polarizing figure. This is a strange reality indeed.

 

[A.Nonymous]

BS. Republicans have no desire to compromise. Their goal and only goal is too make Obama a one term president. They opposed legislation that they once supported just to jam up the system.

And, in the past, when the roles were reversed the Democrats did the same thing. This is the problem with the system. Neither party cares about the country. They both want power.

 

[RazorSharp]

And, in the past, when the roles were reversed the Democrats did the same thing. This is the problem with the system. Neither party cares about the country. They both want power.

While that may be true, I will continue to vote for the party that at least pretends to care about the middle class, and equal rights for everyone. The Republicans cannot claim those. Ending tax cuts for the 1%, making sure gays are not prohibited the right to marry, and stopping women's reproductive rights from being eroded are no-brainers.

 

[AgnOStic]

And again, if you like Ron Paul, vote for Gary Johnson. He'll actually be on the ballot.

Get Gary Johnson into the Debates

BTW, nice haiku. :thumb:

"Wile E. Coyote"
Spelled with a Hellenic X
Very clever sir!

I checked out Johnson...
While I don't think he's perfect,
I will vote for him.

I see no conscience
In either opposing, ehm,
what they're calling "choice".

Where's the real debate?
With our dollar in free-fall,
Mitt and O bicker???

There are still people
Languishing in prison cells
for non-violent crimes!

The hundred years war
Between the Republicans
And the Democrats...

Has claimed many minds.
But I am relieved to see
Some see through the farce.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Due to his desire to work with democrats. Most of the results were due to compromising.

Well did Democrats support tax cuts without spending cuts under Bush? I'm sure some did, but it was Bush's initiative and got heavy GOP support.

Not true, Obama is like a dictator.....it's either his way or no way. He dossent care about the people.

If he didnt care about the people why does he support Universal Healthcare?

Romney 2012

Švejnar 2013

I would like to see less union jobs and more private businesses take over.

Its funny cos you have zero idea what does means.

More off shore drilling (until we find a better way and more logical way of better energy for our cars)

Where on earth can you do more off shore drilling? Unless you want to destroy invaluable areas of nature. And there is a better way of using energy. Use less of it. The US could easily have its oil use if it bothered and not need to import a drop. How? Import European cars Or you know, make transport more efficient. Tax bigger cars more. Make trucks smaller. Whatever.

I'm not saying unions are bad, I'm saying that we should cut everything. Jerry brown in California cuts everything BUT the unions, why? Because they are to powerful, what happens when groups are powerful? They take over and demand what they want.

I'm confused, how can he cut unions? And you shouldnt cut everything. Most things, sure. But not everything.

I say more off shore drilling, why? Because we need a quick solution, LOWER GAS PRICES, we don't need a solution that will take 10 years from now to work, we need a solution now. Sure off shore drilling isn't the best idea but what else is there? Yes there are hybrids but hybrids arnt that clean either, they do use batterys that are very harmful to the environment

Again, US gas prices are crazy low. I say add an excise of $3 a gallon and increase tax credits accordingly. And as I keep saying, efficiency. Its not that hard. You hardly need a 3 litre engine to drive to the supermarket.

Obama=Big government=Power
Mitt Romney=Big Business=Money

You choose, what's more dangerous? Read your history books kids....history repeats itself...

History is class. Good point.

Republicans are the last real americans, we want America to be america. We follow our own ways, we are the leader. Democrats want use to be like Europe or Canada...where free health care is corrupt and is a system that is broken.

Dafuq is a real american? Im pretty sure thats a logical fallacy there.
FREE HEALTH CARE IS CORRUPT??!?
Wat. Dude. Google. Use the resources at your disposal. You have no idea what you are talking about. No idea. Firstly, nothing is free. Healthcare is paid directly by individuals, and via taxes. Secondly, it is not inherently corrupt. The US's health care "system" is far more corrupt. Having money doesnt entitle you to organs here.
It is NOT broken. Almost every problem is caused by not spending enough. You cross into an area with Universal Healthcare and your life expectancy increases by 5 whole years. Good god man.

Every country wants to be like America, we have freedom. But the democrats want to take that away.

....
Freedom. From what? Nigeria wants to be like America. Estonia doesnt. South Korea doesnt. Japan doesnt. Canada doesnt. Finland doesnt. Slovakia doesnt. Get a grip and see the world for what it is. In the US you do not have freedom. You live in fear. Of getting ill, of being shot, of the terrorist boogyman. Your media is not free or fair. The only thing you have is economic freedom but half the time thats just into lower levels of the workforce.

I'm not a hard core republican....that's weird lol

Thats what I find so disturbing.

I just see what's going on around me and I observe alot.

You clearly cant see outside of your little American bubble in that case.

I don't want Obama to fail, I don't want anyone to fail, I just don't want him to make a bad choice that will leave America cripple for a long time

I would hope most people dont.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Comparison USA-Germany

Here is a very interesting link that I came across on Reddit. I would implore Android311 and anyone else who might lack an outside perspective to at least skin through it. Its very fair all around.

 

[RazorSharp]

I'm starting to think Android311 is just a troll.

 

[Android311]

I'm starting to think Android311 is just a troll.

Just my opinion man, I'm not trying make anyone mad, sorry guys

 

[RazorSharp]

Just my opinion man, I'm not trying make anyone mad, sorry guys

Nah my bad, that wasn't cool of me. I shouldn't go around calling people trolls. I appreciate that you're contributing more to the discussion than just one-liners now. Please keep that up.

 

[Android311]

It's all good man

 

[gamblor01]

I would like to see less union jobs and more private businesses take over. More off shore drilling (until we find a better way and more logical way of better energy for our cars) Less taxes, Less government, more jobs in America

I'm not saying unions are bad, I'm saying that we should cut everything. Jerry brown in California cuts everything BUT the unions, why? Because they are to powerful, what happens when groups are powerful? They take over and demand what they want.

I say more off shore drilling, why? Because we need a quick solution, LOWER GAS PRICES, we don't need a solution that will take 10 years from now to work, we need a solution now.

Exxon themselves has essentially said that doing offshore drilling isn't going to make any dent in the overall supply so it wouldn't do any good to help gas prices:

An Anti-Offshore Drilling Argument From... Wait, Exxon?

 

[A.Nonymous]

If anyone here cares, Jenna Jameson has endorsed Romney. Don't even bother asking who she is. We all know better.

 

[Android311]

Exxon themselves has essentially said that doing offshore drilling isn't going to make any dent in the overall supply so it wouldn't do any good to help gas prices:

An Anti-Offshore Drilling Argument From... Wait, Exxon?

 

[Rachel A]

Not saying this is dead on accurate but it does sum up my feelings...