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Ron Paul 2012

I'm not sure if I would be able to support a candidate who completely disregards the scientific theory of evolution... which is more like a law, but it's called a theory to appease religious individuals.
 
Vihzel said:
I'm not sure if I would be able to support a candidate who completely disregards the scientific theory of evolution... which is more like a law, but it's called a theory to appease religious individuals.
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I don't think 'Law', in it's scientific definition, means what you think it means

Re: What is the difference between a theory and a law?
Laws are generalizations about what has happened, from which we can generalize about what we expect to happen. They pertain to observational data. The ability of the ancients to predict eclipses had nothing to do with whether they knew just how they happened; they had a law but not a theory.
Theories are explanations of observations (or of laws). The fact that we have a pretty good understanding of how stars explode doesn't necessarily mean we could predict the next supernova; we have a theory but not a law.

William McComus lists gravity as a modern example of a well-established law for which no really satisfying theory is available. We can use the Law of Gravity, and even correct it for the effects of relativity (General Relativity), but we don't have any consensus notion of how it functions! Is it geometry or gravitons?
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When you consider the person leading the GOP race (before the debates this evening that is) is someone who tried to impeach Clinton for infidelity yet has a record of infidelity himself, it's really sad that Ron Paul isn't really considered by the GOP. I think it would be funny if Newt did win the nomination and won the election only to have the democrats impeach him for infidelity. If I remember correctly, didn't he divorce his wife while she was fighting cancer? I can't keep track of all the slimy things these politicians do in their private life only to pretend that they stand for "Family Values".

As far as evolution, it's something I believe in and to be quite honest it's something you hear about when a viral or bacterial strain becomes resistant to our current medicine. It's that particular organism trying to survive. Thus, when a politician claims there's no such thing, I think it's foolhardy on their part. But, I think issues such as this don't need to necessarily be a deciding factor, granted if some religious nut type like GWB believes in the Rapture and has access to set this world off into that direction, you really can't help but wish that an Agnostic or Atheist would get elected if anything to avert the temptation to bring upon our destruction because they read it in a fairy tale.
 
SamuraiBigEd said:
I would say your argument holds merit except for the fact that al-Awlaki had left the US, was residing in the middle east and active as a terrorist. At that point he had forfeited his rights as a US citizen.
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The day we can label and convict our own American citizens for a crime without a trial is a sad day indeed.


So what if he was in the middle east? As far as I know that's not a crime. Was he a terrorist? There's a chance. But without a fair trial who is to pass judgement? There is a system in place for a reason, and the powers that be should not overstep their respective boundaries.

In the end, this issue is made out to be way more important than it actually is. Just another story the media sensatiozalizes to divert our attention from the real issues.

I'm an American citizen. I'm residing in the states. I'm not a terrorist. So why are then are my phone calls tapped and my privacy invaded under the patriot act without a court order? These are the hard issues that should be truly worrisome if we are to adhere to a preservation of our American values.
 
TxGoat said:
When you consider the person leading the GOP race (before the debates this evening that is) is someone who tried to impeach Clinton for infidelity yet has a record of infidelity himself, it's really sad that Ron Paul isn't really considered by the GOP. I think it would be funny if Newt did win the nomination and won the election only to have the democrats impeach him for infidelity. If I remember correctly, didn't he divorce his wife while she was fighting cancer? I can't keep track of all the slimy things these politicians do in their private life only to pretend that they stand for "Family Values".

As far as evolution, it's something I believe in and to be quite honest it's something you hear about when a viral or bacterial strain becomes resistant to our current medicine. It's that particular organism trying to survive. Thus, when a politician claims there's no such thing, I think it's foolhardy on their part. But, I think issues such as this don't need to necessarily be a deciding factor, granted if some religious nut type like GWB believes in the Rapture and has access to set this world off into that direction, you really can't help but wish that an Agnostic or Atheist would get elected if anything to avert the temptation to bring upon our destruction because they read it in a fairy tale.
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Don't forget Gingrich also received bailout money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
 
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Namrak said:
The day we can label and convict our own American citizens for a crime without a trial is a sad day indeed.


So what if he was in the middle east? As far as I know that's not a crime. Was he a terrorist? There's a chance. But without a fair trial who is to pass judgement? There is a system in place for a reason, and the powers that be should not overstep their respective boundaries.

In the end, this issue is made out to be way more important than it actually is. Just another story the media sensatiozalizes to divert our attention from the real issues.

I'm an American citizen. I'm residing in the states. I'm not a terrorist. So why are then are my phone calls tapped and my privacy invaded under the patriot act without a court order? These are the hard issues that should be truly worrisome if we are to adhere to a preservation of our American values.
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As to al-Awlaki, he was a confirmed terrorist and at a terrorist facility that was struck by drones. Ron Paul makes it sound like he was taken out by a sniper.

I do agree with you about the rest though, this is being used to distract and Ron Paul is just as guilty of it as any of them.

The Patriot Act needs to be abolished immediately, it has been and is misused so much it is pathetic. It is an affront to American freedom and just another sign of where this country is headed.
 
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I'm not sure why Ron Paul doesn't emphasize this more. It's not like he'll have LESS billionaires donate to him if he offends them. I also found it interesting that Ron Paul was excluded from the Republican Jewish Coalition. I think Ron Paul is going to be another casualty of our political system being in bed with special interest groups.

If the tea party was a legitimate grass roots party then they'd put all their resources behind Ron Paul, but since the Tea Party is pretty much backed by the same special interest groups that back these big money candidates, they don't have marching orders that allow them to back Ron Paul. What has happened to our political system?
 
SamuraiBigEd said:
As to al-Awlaki, he was a confirmed terrorist and at a terrorist facility that was struck by drones. Ron Paul makes it sound like he was taken out by a sniper.

I do agree with you about the rest though, this is being used to distract and Ron Paul is just as guilty of it as any of them.

The Patriot Act needs to be abolished immediately, it has been and is misused so much it is pathetic. It is an affront to American freedom and just another sign of where this country is headed.
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Glad to see we agree on one point.

You say al Awlaki was a "confirmed" terrorist. I understand your argument, but my question is confirmed by whom? It makes all the difference.
 
Yes, by the CIA and military but also by himself acting as a senior leader in Al-Qaeda.

I keep seeing people argue he was an American citizen and deserved a trial but everybody seems to brush his Al-Qaeda role aside saying it doesn't matter. Let's not forget we are at war with Al-Qaeda and by the logic I am hearing if a citizen were to leave the U.S. in WWII and join the Nazi party in Germany then they should not be killed in an act of war without first being brought back to the U.S. to stand trial.

If he was apprehended, especially on U.S. soil then he should get a trial, but as an acting leader of one of our worst enemies he is subject to attack by the military.
 
SamuraiBigEd said:
If he was apprehended, especially on U.S. soil then he should get a trial, but as an acting leader of one of our worst enemies he is subject to attack by the military.
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Based on the new law that slipped in with the new Defense budget, even getting a trial isn't guaranteed anymore. Thus, I can see this issue being a slippery slope. It's the slow erosion of our rights. I'd rather a politician err on the side of maintaining our rights, not on the side that gives the state the right to infringe on my rights as a U.S. citizen.
 
Frisco said:
Thank you for all that. I've been keeping a close eye on Ron Paul, as well as Mr. Cain <--- my front runner at the moment.

My problems with most Republican candidates, a "hot" issue: taxes, which most certainly do need to be raised temporarily in order to begin undoing the massive debt. I keep waiting for some honesty about that from the right, but it keeps coming from the left. ;)

Nobody's perfect, but that issue grinds my gears. The other stuff, pot decrim, abortion, death penalty and on and on, that's social stuff that changes with the wind and tides over time. No matter how we feel about issues such as those, they're going to only temporarily be the way we want them, I've noticed over time.
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Do you really think taxes will go up temporarily?
 
TxGoat said:
I also found it interesting that Ron Paul was excluded from the Republican Jewish Coalition.
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Goes to show how extremist the RJC is, given Paul is quite pro-Israel.
I thought it was very sad all the others followed the RJCs line, instead of trying to lead American Republican Jews to a more realistic position. Gut-wrenching seeing Newt descirbe Palestinians as made-up people. I guess he'll break off diplomaitic ties with half the states of the world on that basis :rolleyes:.
 
I had a brief period of not not liking this guy, but then I kinda saw how he's gone all mad conspiracy theorist on issues. Look at his positions on climate change for example. I thought this man had backbone, and wasnt one to simply turn on issues against his concious.
 
He has earned my vote. It took reading his books, but he is a man of the people for sure. He stands for individual rights and constitutional law. Thoughts?
 
batgeek said:
meet the new boss. same as the old boss.

there are no candidates worth voting for from either party.
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Sadly i would have to agree :(:(

Ron Paul has some great ideas and i agree with a lot he says but realistically he has zero chance to win.

Pretty boy will take the nomination (sadly) because the establishment wants that..............he will do what they want!

What the American people need to do more than anything else is clean out the Congress and Senate. Make them change all "their" laws and make them deal with life like all the rest of us..............healthcare, pensions, vacations, etc.
 
batgeek said:
meet the new boss. same as the old boss.

there are no candidates worth voting for from either party.
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All the more reason to vote Ron Paul 2012. If someone as anti-system as RP can't make a difference in office then it's time we take our country back by any means necessary. Either way this gentle increasing of the heat until the water we're all in is boiling isn't working for me. Seems to be fine for most Americans which gets my blood boiling.

If the great people who created this nation were alive to see us today...
 
He continues to surge in the polls. Drudge ran a national poll on their site and he took 35% The more people who get out and vote for him the better chance he has. I will no longer vote for the lesser evil. I will vote for the man who will do the best. That man is Ron Paul
 
While I am an anarcho-capitalist, I understand that given the current conditions, the best I can hope for is a lessening of burdensome government. I've voted libertarian in the last election. This time around my vote is going for Ron Paul. He understands that too much government is burdensome and high taxes drive our industries overseas.

Ron Paul is a libertarian in republican clothing. I don't think he'll win unless something big happens between now and the next election; which I don't think it will. I think we're likely doomed to another 4 years with that conniving wolf, Obama as our president.

I hope my fellow Americans will educate themselves and come to understand the inner-mechanics of our governmental systems. Most Americans think that the only reason they don't print out 100 trillion dollars and hand it out to make everyone rich is that they're spiteful; not that an economy simply can't work that way.
 
Without the Constitution, we have nothing. Dr. Ron Paul is the only candidate against NDAA ans SOPA. He has voted based on the constitution consistently. He seeks to preserve and restore it.
 
I'm split, I agree with a lot of Ron Paul's views (according to wikipedia) but then I disagree with quite a few as well. Though, I would say the ones I agree with weigh in more highly than the ones I disagree with ... so unless something insane happens - I think he might just have my vote. :)

Plus, he's all over in xkcd, which is pretty cool... Ron Paul >>> Tron Paul :D
 
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