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Safe to say Hero=Failure
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NewShockerGuy
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PGR
Well-Known Member
Heh...
I've always suspected that most of the whiners were youngsters who never knew what it was like in the early days when you could take a nap while Lotus 1-2-3 recalculated a spreadsheet. Life seems to have become all about instant gratification and one of the consequences is that a lot fewer people know what a rose smells like anymore.
Oh well, better them than me.
Pete
TF1984
Android Enthusiast
Heh...
I've always suspected that most of the whiners were youngsters who never knew what it was like in the early days when you could take a nap while Lotus 1-2-3 recalculated a spreadsheet. Life seems to have become all about instant gratification and one of the consequences is that a lot fewer people know what a rose smells like anymore.
Oh well, better them than me.
Pete
I am only 27, but intelligent enough to see how quickly technology moves, and even more quickly the rate at which we forget how things "use to be".
cc82
Newbie
1. HTC & Sprint have confirmed they are working on developing 2.1 updates for the Hero.
2. How do you know it was a sales failure? Sprint & HTC continue to advertise it, so they clearly haven't given it up for dead. Also, the Droid Eris on Verizon is basically the same phone (same OS+ internals) and that seems to be doing well.
3. Hero isn't a 1st gen android phone. As I said, HTC & Sprint have confirmed it's getting 2.1.
4. See above.
Also, orig. iPhone is not the same phone as the iPhone 3G is not the same phone as iPhone 3GS. A orig. iPhone owner doesn't get all the latest and greatest speed and features of a 3GS just from a OS update...
By your logic HTC should same their phones Hero, SuperHero, SuperDuperHero, etc...
Being an owner of various smartphones, I will say the Hero is the best. We all know that the level of happiness for everyone is different. For me the Hero works great. Far better than my Palm Pre. I am pleased with Android and the direction they are going. Being a HUGE Google user this phone is great.
noiddroid13
Lurker
I must agree with OP as I read this entire thred on my hero while texting 2 or three people then took a phone call and a smoke break to realize that I bought a piece of flug poop that could never be upgraded I cryed. ****. wait you mean that HTC nor Sprint has anything to do with the ******* OS upgrades and independent devs can customize them for any damn phone with Android on it and most of my apps are developed third party so even if Sprint and HTC say f the hero I can still use the app store damn I love this piece of flung poop
tatonka_Hero
Android Expert
actually, Sprint and HTC have EVERYTHING to do with the OS upgrades (official ones anyway).
Sure, there's likely to be custom versions of anything that comes out, because Android is that freaking sweet, but sometimes it's nice to have the stock one until the custom ones are stable
noiddroid13
Lurker
Sorry you are correct I ment OS dev not upgrade please forgivr me for I got swept up in a hero loving frenzy. Also I agree a oem Rom is nice to have untill custom role are stable
dbpaddler
Android Expert
my two cents...
1. No phone should be reviewed, rated or what not based on it's performance when rooted, with custom roms and such. The masses do not root and we on these forums are a minority plain and simple and do not determine the success or failure of a phone by any means.
2. As others have mentioned, people tend to hop online and post about negative things. People that are generally happy don't feel the need to unless they already frequent forums and review sites.
3. Android is a very young OS with a lot more capability than other OS's out there. If you compare it to when PalmOS started, you couldn't begin to do half the things you can now because technology just wasn't there. So trying to incorporate all the capabilities into a modern OS with its level of customization on top of having it run on multiple phones with different hardware on different carriers can't be easy. It's one thing the iphone and webOS has going for it. Control over their hardware. So the fact that Android can be the success that it is and the predictions for it to surge ahead says a lot. I'd like to see Android in the hands of a more efficient company that would probably have a little more refinement and stock capability (like PIM apps) built in by now, but it's all heading in the right direction.
4. I think the Hero for the phone that it is pleases a lot of people and that round two will probably be even better. I'm sure it'll be more Nexus like but more refined and capable running 2.x and Sense, and it will really show off Android and Sense's capabilities.
1. No phone should be reviewed, rated or what not based on it's performance when rooted, with custom roms and such. The masses do not root and we on these forums are a minority plain and simple and do not determine the success or failure of a phone by any means.
2. As others have mentioned, people tend to hop online and post about negative things. People that are generally happy don't feel the need to unless they already frequent forums and review sites.
3. Android is a very young OS with a lot more capability than other OS's out there. If you compare it to when PalmOS started, you couldn't begin to do half the things you can now because technology just wasn't there. So trying to incorporate all the capabilities into a modern OS with its level of customization on top of having it run on multiple phones with different hardware on different carriers can't be easy. It's one thing the iphone and webOS has going for it. Control over their hardware. So the fact that Android can be the success that it is and the predictions for it to surge ahead says a lot. I'd like to see Android in the hands of a more efficient company that would probably have a little more refinement and stock capability (like PIM apps) built in by now, but it's all heading in the right direction.
4. I think the Hero for the phone that it is pleases a lot of people and that round two will probably be even better. I'm sure it'll be more Nexus like but more refined and capable running 2.x and Sense, and it will really show off Android and Sense's capabilities.
I like my hero, but i was trying to base my evaluation of its success on something more objective than whether i like it or not: primarily sales and if the form factor survives into the future.
As i write this on my hero from an airport crew lounge, i too am amazed by what these smart phones are capable of these days. I do like this phone, which apparently i did not convey very well in the last sentence of my first post.
There are two comments i'd like to reply to....
First, cirehawk, regarding my "4" comment, i like sense, but it has a long way to go...i don't think we will see the next _version_ of sense on our heros. There are a lot of things that suck about 1.5 and this version of sense, but those are not part of the hero conversation. Just rather whether the phone is worth the time and money to update for htc.
Second, lots of folks don't seem follow my ideas about the name of the phone. It doesn't matter what the phone is called; but more that the basic form factor of the phone continues into the next version. None of htc's 2010 roadmap phones have the look or feel of the hero. Sure, its possible that a hero2 could come out, but i don't think this phone is successful enough to warrant that.
However, i will happily admit i am wrong if an android. 2.1 release with an updated SenseUI actually gets released. If the phone has the sales base to warrant it, and the performace to handle it, then it must have been enough of a success for htc.
As i write this on my hero from an airport crew lounge, i too am amazed by what these smart phones are capable of these days. I do like this phone, which apparently i did not convey very well in the last sentence of my first post.
There are two comments i'd like to reply to....
First, cirehawk, regarding my "4" comment, i like sense, but it has a long way to go...i don't think we will see the next _version_ of sense on our heros. There are a lot of things that suck about 1.5 and this version of sense, but those are not part of the hero conversation. Just rather whether the phone is worth the time and money to update for htc.
Second, lots of folks don't seem follow my ideas about the name of the phone. It doesn't matter what the phone is called; but more that the basic form factor of the phone continues into the next version. None of htc's 2010 roadmap phones have the look or feel of the hero. Sure, its possible that a hero2 could come out, but i don't think this phone is successful enough to warrant that.
However, i will happily admit i am wrong if an android. 2.1 release with an updated SenseUI actually gets released. If the phone has the sales base to warrant it, and the performace to handle it, then it must have been enough of a success for htc.
tatonka_Hero
Android Expert
I could be wrong (but I'm pretty sure I'm not), but HTC is working on Sense for 2.1 that's coming out for the Sprint Hero, and that's essentially who we're waiting for. Well, that and for Sprint to finish updating their crappy apps (which they might have just finished, being that quite a few of them were just updated on the Moment, perhaps a prelude to a forthcoming 2.1 update?)
MagnusRagnarok
Newbie
Maybe u should have done some market or forum research before u purchased your hero....Did the salesman\woman tell u that u could guide rockets with your phone or something????where does it fail?honestly...what do u expect?????not that i use the phone in mine very often, but thats only because i use it more as a pocketsized laptop that just so happens to have a phone!!BONUS.I read 23 pages of reviews for this phone....know what i found????27 whiners like u and 1639 comments from people that couldnt have been happier with their decision to purchase their hero. That meant quite alot to me....not sure why. Yeah when the nexxus came out i was a lil green but hey, who wants tmobile or verizon???IPHONE no thanks had one for 2 yrs, loved it...until my hero. Cant actually believe that i thought the hero might not be up to the task of showing up my iphone...boy i could not have been any more wrong...but hey if u want a phone that u have to use itunes to add media,no open source,pay 110/mo +, save all of us hero/android lovers the stress of setting u straight, and go purchase a perfect product and rant in that forum...because im sure there will be people there like you complaining about their perfect phone as well.....good night and good luck : ) U strike me as the type of guy that gets a flat and then calls everyone he knows to complain about what a bad day hes having, rather than pulling out the 4-way & jack to fix it......
vido.ardes
Android Expert
There is a "Hero2", scheduled for March. Same chin and everything. Slightly better processor, better screen, optical mouse instead of trackball.. you can't deny it's roots in the Hero though:
HTC Legend
HTC Legend
I had the Pre and switched to the Hero and i like the Hero far more. Don't get me wrong the Pre is amazing but it's still much younger and has more growing pains to go through. Once it gets ( Or other WebOS devices ) get on other carriers and thing like the app store grow i think it will be a lot better. For me android is the best fit.
I don't think the Hero is or will be a failure. At least i hope not lol
I don't think the Hero is or will be a failure. At least i hope not lol
B
Bnice
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How as this phone fail? It does everything, yes some things can be improve but what phone can't.