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Help Samsung Moment - Android 2.0 Availability?

indiana jones said:
i no longer worry about the 2.0 update what has me concerned is whether samsung is going to implement that terrible touchmywiz interface that the behold has. that thing is ugly! :eek:
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The Moment is a Google branded phone which should mean no Touchwiz or any other interface other than stock.

To those questioning OTA upgrades. I think the statement that the updates wouldn't be done OTA was made off the cuff by a Sprint VP who may or may not know what he's talking about. If the Droid(s) are getting updated OTA and Sprint is already doing OTA for the Pre, I don't think they can get away with a d/l upgrade for the Hero or Moment. Unless there's some technical reason against Android OTA updates that I'm not aware of, they'll have to suck up the bandwidth!
 
pastafarian said:
The Moment is a Google branded phone which should mean no Touchwiz or any other interface other than stock.

To those questioning OTA upgrades. I think the statement that the updates wouldn't be done OTA was made off the cuff by a Sprint VP who may or may not know what he's talking about. If the Droid(s) are getting updated OTA and Sprint is already doing OTA for the Pre, I don't think they can get away with a d/l upgrade for the Hero or Moment. Unless there's some technical reason against Android OTA updates that I'm not aware of, they'll have to suck up the bandwidth!
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i agree. i don't think sprint wants to use an outdated mode of updating. they're touting 4g, having to hardwire my updates seems archaic at this point. 'what, you're the fastest internet out there and i can't update OTA?' with pre going OTA, and other android phones beginning to go OTA, i think it would be wise for sprint to do this for the moment/hero as well.
 
Samsung has a history of releasing phones before they're fully baked, then updating them over the air. This is the first real smartphone that has an updateable OS, but they've done that with patches.

One of Samsung's best Sprint phones was the A900 (or Blade), which had a lot of issues when it was released. After a few months a few software updates came out, and they replaced the metal battery cover with a plastic one and the phone was great.

The instinct is another example. The original version had some issues, some which was fixed by software updates, the rest by the S30.

I'm confident that Samsung will release updates based on that history. I'm also confident that Google would not be happy with a Google Experience device getting stuck in outdated versions. Google is interested in de-throning Apple and Windows Mobile, they'll be looking to differentiate themselves in the market by not requiring hardware updates just to get software changes.
 
You must be a youngin...

Samsung had and has a plethora of smartphones over the years with Palm OS, Windows Smartphone, Pocket PC and Win Mobile. I wouldn't call many of those releases half baked. The Instinct was just a blunder all around, but the updates seemed to make it salvageable. They did update them when the OS Mfg pushed updates to them. I can't imagine their first foray into Android would be any different. Especially if they want people to buy their next generation model. If they didn't update the Moment or Behold, why would I buy their next model even if the hardware was better? I and many wouldn't.

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I'm sure I've missed one or two...
the_dingman said:
Samsung has a history of releasing phones before they're fully baked, then updating them over the air. This is the first real smartphone that has an updateable OS, but they've done that with patches.
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pastafarian said:
Can you give me the name of a phone manufacturer that doesn't release phones before they're fully baked? It would be nice to know such a thing exists.
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I would say Sanyo is pretty good for that. I've never seen a Sanyo phone for Sprint that wasn't a great phone, at least at what it was made to do, from the start.

Also, Hail to the Flying Spaghetti Monster! May you forever be touched by his noodily appendage!
 
the_dingman said:
I would say Sanyo is pretty good for that. I've never seen a Sanyo phone for Sprint that wasn't a great phone, at least at what it was made to do, from the start.

Also, Hail to the Flying Spaghetti Monster! May you forever be touched by his noodily appendage!
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And yet a Google search of Sanyo issues comes up with a plethora of complaints.

Oh and,

Carbo Diem!
 
pastafarian said:
And yet a Google search of Sanyo issues comes up with a plethora of complaints.

Oh and,

Carbo Diem!
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Every single phone, hell every single product ever made will have complaints from somebody who had an issue with them. I've seen a few Sanyo issues, but nothing that's been consistency bad across multiple of the same model. Usually it's a one-off.

When it comes to Samsung, they seem to have that issue a lot, and it's always their top-of-the-line newest coolest phones that are the worst about it. Hense my examples of the Blade, Instinct and Moment.

It's like the people who say "I'll never get [insert wireless carrier] because I've heard complaints!" Everything has it's haters.
 
Samsung Mobile has a twitter account.

I asked them about a 2.0 upgrade and I got some nice PR speak:
"At this time, we don't have any information on an upgrade for the Moment, but we will keep you posted. Thanks!"

With the Hero getting 2.0, the Moment should be a no-brainer... from what I can tell, the new Behold II (T-Mobile) is going to 1.5 as well. So, maybe Samsung just isn't ready for 2.0?
 
From what I understand, the source code for 2.0 was only released a couple of days ago. Moto/Verizon had some sort of special deal with Google to make the Droid the first 2.0 phone. It also seems the Droid may be suffering from several 2.0 teething bugs (camera autofocus only works on certain dates?), the price for being first.
 
pastafarian said:
From what I understand, the source code for 2.0 was only released a couple of days ago. Moto/Verizon had some sort of special deal with Google to make the Droid the first 2.0 phone. It also seems the Droid may be suffering from several 2.0 teething bugs (camera autofocus only works on certain dates?), the price for being first.
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Sprint store rep today told me the Moment should get 2.0 in the middle of december, at least thats what he was told


Take it as you will..
 
Unfortunately I know for a fact a store level retail rep will have no idea when any update is coming for a phone. Your better off reading tea leaves to find that info. Most likely a rep will say whatever they need to say to sell a phone.
 
I have no doubt the moment will get 2.0 update, but I think the December thing is something that has been talked about with the Droid Eris from HTC and maybe the sprint rep is thinking the Hero will also and just assumes the moment will.

Either way, the people that know the status of any updates aren't talking so to me, that means they are not close as they don't want to get alot of hope up and then let alot of people down.
 
satinkzo said:
I have no doubt the moment will get 2.0 update, but I think the December thing is something that has been talked about with the Droid Eris from HTC and maybe the sprint rep is thinking the Hero will also and just assumes the moment will.
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call Sprint in Vernon Hills, IL

they will tell you that the Moment is getting the 2.0 update on 12/15. they will also tell you the Hero is not guaranteed to get 2.0

they are not confusing phones lol, so either they are lying or they are getting false information. I asked for the source and they said they heard it from their manager who received an email from corporate.
 
Well, see, that's just how everything gets messed up. I was just throwing in my conjecture on the date and statement from the rep. I was not saying they were lying.

Of course nothing is guranteed 2.0, but HTC themselves said the Hero will get 2.0, but did not give a date. I hope the 12/15 date is correct, believe me. I really want 2.0. I also think the moment is going to be easier to update compared to the Hero just due to the senseUI retooling for each update.

Honestly though, I'm not going to fret about it cause it is something I have absolutey no control over. I've made my requests to Sprint/Samsung, posted on their message boards, etc.

As for calling Sprint, I can call every sprint number I can find and get a different answer to the same question.
 
yes, but if you call that one you will at least be sure you're getting your update on 12/15

guaranteed ;)
 
Do you think there may be a conflict of interest in updating to 2.0??? Sprint is awfully proud of their turn by turn navigation system. 2.0 will basically render it obsolete or at least redundant......
 
I would guess that would be less of an issue with Sprint compared to Verizon. Sprint GPS is free for any Hero/Moment users, whereas Verizon's Navigator is not free.
 
flyjbaker said:
Do you think there may be a conflict of interest in updating to 2.0??? Sprint is awfully proud of their turn by turn navigation system. 2.0 will basically render it obsolete or at least redundant......
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Most of Sprint's apps are redundant or obsolete, lol.
 
the_dingman said:
Samsung has a history of releasing phones before they're fully baked, then updating them over the air. This is the first real smartphone that has an updateable OS, but they've done that with patches.

One of Samsung's best Sprint phones was the A900 (or Blade), which had a lot of issues when it was released. After a few months a few software updates came out, and they replaced the metal battery cover with a plastic one and the phone was great.

The instinct is another example. The original version had some issues, some which was fixed by software updates, the rest by the S30.

I'm confident that Samsung will release updates based on that history. I'm also confident that Google would not be happy with a Google Experience device getting stuck in outdated versions. Google is interested in de-throning Apple and Windows Mobile, they'll be looking to differentiate themselves in the market by not requiring hardware updates just to get software changes.
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My wife has had an A900 since it came out. I'm just now updating her to a Moment. I agree completely. If the A900 wasn't such a good phone and if Sprint and Samsung didn't update it to fix the problems, I wouldn't have stayed with either Sprint or Samsung. Because of how they handled this, I felt confident enough to buy two Moments.
 
the_dingman said:
I'm also confident that Google would not be happy with a Google Experience device getting stuck in outdated versions.
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Heh- don't be so sure- although the issue is really more HTC's fault than Google's (there's proprietary drivers only HTC can supply), the only real Android Developer Phone out there may be limited to 1.6 as its last version, as the stock flash-ROM memory map includes a huge partition for over-the-air updates, which doesn't leave enough for 2.0 (and I hear getting 1.6 on was a very tight squeeze).

(Of course, the modders don't care about the original ROM map nor OTA updates, so they were able to get 2.0 on the ADP (nearly a G1), but driver support is limited due to those HTC proprietary binaries.)
 
kencrudup said:
Heh- don't be so sure- although the issue is really more HTC's fault than Google's (there's proprietary drivers only HTC can supply), the only real Android Developer Phone out there may be limited to 1.6 as its last version, as the stock flash-ROM memory map includes a huge partition for over-the-air updates, which doesn't leave enough for 2.0 (and I hear getting 1.6 on was a very tight squeeze).

(Of course, the modders don't care about the original ROM map nor OTA updates, so they were able to get 2.0 on the ADP (nearly a G1), but driver support is limited due to those HTC proprietary binaries.)
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I'm confused, where does HTC fit in this or I'm missing something in the conversation since this is a Samsung Moment forum and this is about the moment getting 2.0. If HTC has to supply the drivers to Samsung then we are in trouble for sure ;)
 
satinkzo said:
I'm confused, where does HTC fit in this
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What I was saying is HTC makes the "Official" phone that folks developing software for the Android OS use, and there's a huge thread in the Devloper forums which implies that there's not going to be an official release of 2.0 for it.

This was addressing concerns that a "Google Experience" phone wouldn't be left out in the cold vis-a-vis future updates.
 
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