Samsung Stealth Caught in the Wild

[jinwons]

According to the screen shot in the phandroid article it is a 1Gh Hummingbird Processor. To me, that equals FAIL. If this phone is Dual-Core, I would consider it. Single-Core, not a chance. Especially with the new news that Moto Bootloader has finally been cracked.

It looks like single core Hummingbird. A bit disappointing, but I can understand that they reserved Exynos mostly for SGS2.

I wonder why single core 1GHz is so deal breaker for you as I see you are also interested in LG Revolution. 1Ghz is still plenty capable for most applications, and as of now there are not so many apps fully taking advantage of multi cores. It will take years for them to mature.

 

[jfoey22]

It looks like single core Hummingbird. A bit disappointing, but I can understand that they reserved Exynos mostly for SGS2.

I wonder why single core 1GHz is so deal breaker for you as I see you are also interested in LG Revolution. 1Ghz is still plenty capable for most applications, and as of now there are not so many apps fully taking advantage of multi cores. It will take years for them to mature.

So my interest in the Revolution is an issue? A couple of issues here my friend. I am firstly interested in an unlocked bootloader. My second area of concern would be dual-core, the third would be looks. From my estimation this phone fails in two of my three main concerns. If in fact it is a single core hummingbird, I will pass. You are crazy if you believe dual-core apps are "years" away. Google Body, Tegra Zone, Playstation App? Do you think devs are just going to pass on tablet apps? Do you not think Tablet apps will be ported to a dual core phone? Will these apps work on a single core phone? Sure some of them. How far off do you believe android 2.4 is? Why don't you go troll somebody else buddy.

 

[Vehtemas]

So my interest in the Revolution is an issue? A couple of issues here my friend. I am firstly interested in an unlocked bootloader. My second area of concern would be dual-core, the third would be looks. From my estimation this phone fails in two of my three main concerns. If in fact it is a single core hummingbird, I will pass. You are crazy if you believe dual-core apps are "years" away. Google Body, Tegra Zone, Playstation App? Do you think devs are just going to pass on tablet apps? Do you not think Tablet apps will be ported to a dual core phone? Will these apps work on a single core phone? Sure some of them. How far off do you believe android 2.4 is? Why don't you go troll somebody else buddy.

I agree 100%, even if the actual utiliziation INSIDE the programs takes time, they will be able to offset individual threads for each core thereby increasing battery life and stability while maintaining speed.

Also 2.4 will be dual core optimized.

I will not buy a single core phone again, just no reason to.

 

[kyler13]

I wonder why single core 1GHz is so deal breaker for you as I see you are also interested in LG Revolution. 1Ghz is still plenty capable for most applications, and as of now there are not so many apps fully taking advantage of multi cores. It will take years for them to mature.

The deal breaker is that the Hummingbird is a year-old processor architecture. If this phone is priced the same as the Thunderbolt, that would be downright insulting. I predict lackluster sales unless the leaked info is wrong/fake.

 

[jinwons]

Sure, there are already some apps (mainly games) for dual core and more will come. But I'm not so much into gaming on the phone, and 1Ghz Hummingbird is still plenty powerful for most apps. Its GPU is still very fast for most games and graphics benchmarks show that Tegra2 GPU is just marginally better than single core Hummingbird. Remember that 1Ghz Snapdragon in Tbolt is also single core with year old architecture.

Gaming wise, dual core apps will come for sure. But in general apps, I think it will take years and I'm not the only one in this camp here. In theory, it is said to have better battery time and stability, but so far tegra2 phones like 2X, Atrix don't seem to prove that very well. You might have different opinion, but how's that trolling? If you should get dual core phone for gaming no matter what, just go for Bionic or any tegra2 phone and be done with it.

 

[jinwons]

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against getting dual core phones. It's just not on high priority for me as I'm not a big gaming guy. If pricing is similar and there are no major disadvantages like battery, stability, I will get dual core over single core too.

 

[kyler13]

Sure, there are already some apps (mainly games) for dual core and more will come. But I'm not so much into gaming on the phone, and 1Ghz Hummingbird is still plenty powerful for most apps. Its GPU is still very fast for most games and graphics benchmarks show that Tegra2 GPU is just marginally better than single core Hummingbird. Remember that 1Ghz Snapdragon in Tbolt is also single core with year old architecture.

Gaming wise, dual core apps will come for sure. But in general apps, I think it will take years and I'm not the only one in this camp here. In theory, it is said to have better battery time and stability, but so far tegra2 phones like 2X, Atrix don't seem to prove that very well. You might have different opinion, but how's that trolling? If you should get dual core phone for gaming no matter what, just go for Bionic or any tegra2 phone and be done with it.

Careful what comparisons you make because the widely available Atrix with the Tegra 2 is pushing a higher resolution plus interpolation to compensate for the pentile matrix. You really have to look at the Optimus 2X benchmarks for comparison. As for the Snapdragon, the t-bolt is using the 2nd gen version which indeed is higher performance based on an optimized design, smaller scale manufacturing process for lower power consumption, and an updated GPU. It benchmarks 60-70% faster than gen 1. It's not 2010 silicon.

For your reference:


2nd generation

MSM7x30, MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A - all 3 variations share the same design, differs only by the clock speeds. These 3 variations run at 800MHz, 1.0GHz and 1.3GHz respectively. Each of these features Adreno 205 GPU which runs at significantly higher performance level than Adreno 200 found in the 1st generation Snapdragon processor.

I'm not arguing for necessity of dual core, but I would expect a device at this point to feature 2011 hardware, especially with Nvidia, TI, and Qualcomm sporting dual core or update single core devices. Android will be updated to support dual core architectures and with it will come adavanced features from Honeycomb. Without an updated CPU, and for a company with an already poor record, you can all but guarantee that software support for the Stealth will pretty much be DOA.

Not interested in the Bionic. Pentile matrix is a deal breaker, even at qHD resolutions. Verizon appears to be hanging their hat on LTE and not so worried about hardware specs/features.

 

[jinwons]

Careful what comparisons you make because the widely available Atrix with the Tegra 2 is pushing a higher resolution plus interpolation to compensate for the pentile matrix. You really have to look at the Optimus 2X benchmarks for comparison. As for the Snapdragon, the t-bolt is using the 2nd gen version which indeed is higher performance based on an optimized design, smaller scale manufacturing process for lower power consumption, and an updated GPU. It benchmarks 60-70% faster than gen 1. It's not 2010 silicon.

For your reference:


2nd generation

MSM7x30, MSM8x55 and QSD8x50A - all 3 variations share the same design, differs only by the clock speeds. These 3 variations run at 800MHz, 1.0GHz and 1.3GHz respectively. Each of these features Adreno 205 GPU which runs at significantly higher performance level than Adreno 200 found in the 1st generation Snapdragon processor.

I'm not arguing for necessity of dual core, but I would expect a device at this point to feature 2011 hardware, especially with Nvidia, TI, and Qualcomm sporting dual core or update single core devices. Android will be updated to support dual core architectures and with it will come adavanced features from Honeycomb. Without an updated CPU, and for a company with an already poor record, you can all but guarantee that software support for the Stealth will pretty much be DOA.

Not interested in the Bionic. Pentile matrix is a deal breaker, even at qHD resolutions. Verizon appears to be hanging their hat on LTE and not so worried about hardware specs/features.

Well, I think you need to be more careful than me when you try to educate with stuff like this. I know the difference between 1nd and 2nd generation snapdragon, but didn't mention it for Tbolt as I don't feel any needs. 2nd gen 8X55 snapdragon only got smaller 45nm process and small improvement in GPU from adreno 200 to 205, and that's pretty much all. Its GPU performance is still inferior to PowerVR 540 in Hummingbird by good margin, and all the gaming benchmarks prove this. Also Hummingbird was on 45nm process when released. So 2nd gen snapdragon just barely matched it with still inferior GPU, though general CPU task scores are similar. While I don't have data on power consumption numbers, I bet that Hummingbird is more efficient as Galaxy S phone are generally lasting longer than snapdragon based HTC phones. You have valid point on qHD resolution hampering Atrix gaming benchmarks, but even Optimus 2X has only about 10% better gaming performance than Atrix and that doesn't distance tegra2 that much from PowerVR 540. Only 3rd gen dual core 8X60 snapdragon with adreno 220 GPU will provide meaningful upgrade in GPU performance in snapdragon processors.

Since you guys are so after dual cores for games, I fear that you are in wrong thread. Stealth is more about 4G LTE than dual core for games. You should be looking at SGS2 or Optimus 3D forums if pentile matrix qHD screen in Atrix/Bionis is not for you. Samsung and LG were off to slow start in android update game last year, but they seriously stepped up software team for this year so hopefully that will change.

 

[SirKronan]

I don't think the Stealth is ugly. But I don't think it's attractive either. Kind of like the Bionic. It's not ugly, but not attractive. It's a big, bulky, but smooth brick of a phone. I don't know if that hugeness is worth it to get a dual core. Although it has a massive battery to compensate.

The rumored HDMI out and 8MP 1080p camera have got me pretty dang excited though.