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Shooting in Aurora, CO

OutofDate1980 said:
Sorta like making people wear clothes in public. How the victims will have the means to recover their lives is on topic.

If you think you are off topic, you may want to refrain from making a comment that you consider to be off topic, such as blaming the victims for not having insurance, as you know nothing about their circumstances.
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Silly me. Thinking someone was responsible for their decision to not buy health insurance.
 
Probably not. Those people weren't going to vote for him anyway. He's pandering to his base. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
One of the problems with the current health situations is the follow up care. If victims need it and don't have insurance, now what? Lets hope the donations will be enough to cover the follow up care.
 
A.Nonymous said:
It's unpopular to say it, but if you're the breadwinner in the family and you have a kid on the way it's a bit irresponsible to not have health insurance. Flame away at me now.
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I think many people have the money to pay for insurance, but they do not think bad things can happen, so they purchase new phones, flat screen televisions, expensive food, eat out several times per week and do other things with their money.

No flames, I agree with you.
 
Bob Maxey said:
I think many people have the money to pay for insurance, but they do not think bad things can happen, so they purchase new phones, flat screen televisions, expensive food, eat out several times per week and do other things with their money.

No flames, I agree with you.
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An interesting thought in support of the individual mandate, glad you came around.

Any data on how many is "many people" ?

No flames, I agree with you.:)
 
OutofDate1980 said:
An interesting thought in support of the individual mandate, glad you came around.

Any data on how many is "many people" ?

No flames, I agree with you.:)
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Not sure. A starting place might be the stats on uninsured people in the US of A. My guess is many can afford it but want other stuff. then they get sick and they are stuck.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Not sure. A starting place might be the stats on uninsured people in the US of A. My guess is many can afford it but want other stuff. then they get sick and they are stuck.
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When the healthcare law was being debated I remember reading an article discussing the uninsured. Many of them are young adults who are still at the age where they think nothing bad can happen to them. I had a friend who's first job out of college offered health insurance for not much money out of his paycheck. I had to convince him to sign up for it, his first instinct was to keep the money.
 
cjr72 said:
When the healthcare law was being debated I remember reading an article discussing the uninsured. Many of them are young adults who are still at the age where they think nothing bad can happen to them. I had a friend who's first job out of college offered health insurance for not much money out of his paycheck. I had to convince him to sign up for it, his first instinct was to keep the money.
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Anecdotally I can back you up. I work with a guy who is 23ish. He could buy insurance through our employer for ~$20 a paycheck (single guy, no dependents). Yet I heard him arguing with HR the other day because they opted him into insurance and he adamantly did not want it. There are other guys at the office who refuse to invest in the company 401k. The company offers a 100% match up to a certain level but they choose to invest nothing. I tried to explain that the 100% match is free money, but they'd rather have the money themselves. Younger people regularly give no thought for the future and think themselves invincible.

I do think there are hard numbers out there on this though. I've seen them somewhere.
 
cjr72 said:
When the healthcare law was being debated I remember reading an article discussing the uninsured. Many of them are young adults who are still at the age where they think nothing bad can happen to them. I had a friend who's first job out of college offered health insurance for not much money out of his paycheck. I had to convince him to sign up for it, his first instinct was to keep the money.
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I'd say this is commonplace (along with those who genuinely cant afford it). The prohibitively high costs of health insurance really dont help though. Anyway this is an example of the need for mandatory insurance.
 
ElasticNinja said:
I'd say this is commonplace (along with those who genuinely cant afford it). The prohibitively high costs of health insurance really dont help though. Anyway this is an example of the need for mandatory insurance.
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Or a national health service where everyone will be treated and the monies are automatically taken out of pay by way of taxes?

It really is no different except that with the British version everyone will be given treatment and after care if they work or not and even if they are visitors to the country!
 
ElasticNinja said:
I'd say this is commonplace (along with those who genuinely cant afford it). The prohibitively high costs of health insurance really dont help though. Anyway this is an example of the need for mandatory insurance.
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I disagree completely. I'm a fan of people facing the consequences of their mistakes.
 
OutofDate1980 said:
That's mighty right of them, wonder what would have happened if there was no public scrutiny. Oh, the usual, out on the street, you know law of the jungle, where life is short and brutal, just like other members of the animal kingdom, who now live in preserves or zoos.
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What if I were shot on the street and could not pay? What about the other people that are damaged every day? What about the people that live a good life and something happens to them? They do not get their care paid for, do they?

It is good the hospital is doing a nice deed, but it is for PR more than anything else.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Anecdotally I can back you up. I work with a guy who is 23ish. He could buy insurance through our employer for ~$20 a paycheck (single guy, no dependents). Yet I heard him arguing with HR the other day because they opted him into insurance and he adamantly did not want it. There are other guys at the office who refuse to invest in the company 401k. The company offers a 100% match up to a certain level but they choose to invest nothing. I tried to explain that the 100% match is free money, but they'd rather have the money themselves. Younger people regularly give no thought for the future and think themselves invincible.

I do think there are hard numbers out there on this though. I've seen them somewhere.
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I agree with you. I say to bad for them, they should have planned better. This mentality is why we are in so much trouble. Chances are, if these people you know get sick, they want me to pay for their care.
 
sntaylor said:
Or a national health service where everyone will be treated and the monies are automatically taken out of pay by way of taxes?
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Yeah that wont be happening in the US. Even if it would it would have to be done on a state level.
sntaylor said:
It really is no different except that with the British version everyone will be given treatment and after care if they work or not and even if they are visitors to the country!
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I think the visitors thing only applies if you are an EU citizen, but if you arent, thats your own fault really :D

A.Nonymous said:
I disagree completely. I'm a fan of people facing the consequences of their mistakes.
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Wanting a slightly increased standard of living isnt a mistake big enough to warrant death or suffering imo.

You look at that 5 year old kid who died. Were those consequences deserved for being brought to that cinema?
 
The question that keeps popping up in my head every time I hear about this is, how does one get $15-20,000.00 worth of weaponry, rig his apartment with mines, and not give off any flags or warnings as to what's going on???
 
Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama Raises Funds Off Colorado Tragedy, Fleeces Contributors | PR Watch

"On July 20, hours after the horrific shooting in Aurora, Colorado, the Campaign to Defeat Barack Obama sent an email to supporters with the subject line "OUTRAGEOUS: Media Tries to Blame Tea Party for Colorado Shooting.""

"Unfortunately, it looks like these Tea Party donors are getting played. The majority (seventy-three percent) of the funds raised by CDBO in the first half of 2012 has gone to CDBO Executive Director Joe Wierzbicki, his consulting firm Russo Marsh, and CDBO Vice-President Ryan Gill. More than thirty-three percent of the dollars CDBO raised from the Tea Party faithful has gone into the pockets of Wierzbicki and Gill, largely for "fundraising commissions" or "consulting fees.""
 
I was just in Colorado and its still is getting talked about. I feel bad about it and my heart goes out to all those affected my the whole incident.
 
My ex lives a block from that theater. She didn't find it funny when I texted her the morning of with, "I really want to see The Dark Knight Rises but I'm waiting for the crowds to die down"
 
Almost every time a shooting happens, the Conspiracy Nuts crawl out of the woodwork, alongside the "BAN 'EM" crowd. I usually ignore them.

This time is a lil different. The perp showed a LOT of sophistication and planning, which somewhat mitigates against someone who ""just snapped". And his surrender to the police argues against a "suicide by cop" scenario.

This one stands out that way...
 
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