Gmash
Extreme Android User
I've seen those giant kids, and I think that is child abuse. Parents seem to have forgotten how to be parents these days, instead wanting to be best friends with their children.
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Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Who decides the rules? I am skinny, do I need to get my weight up? Some say thin people might be unable to gain weight due to some medical problems. I can eat and eat and eat and my weight stays consistent. I have been slender since 1955.
I have a dear friend who comes from a family of giants. All are in the 200 pound range and stocky. Phil is skinny like me.
What seems to happen is the fatsos sue to remain fat rather than take a hint and realize the problem is them. Very tough issue. If you tell and employee he or she will never rise within the corporation because "you are too fat" you end up in court.
We are happy to ban smokes, but when it comes to forced limits on food or being forced into making changes in our lives to reach some acceptable size, all hell breaks loose.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
We all have, Gmash. I just saw one this morning at breakfast, as a matter of fact. The mother was large. I did not say anything to her or her child, but it is clear, that family likes good food. I saw several while shopping, as well. While shopping, I saw a fat set of parents with a fat little kid.
How come we can ban products because a few people were hurt, but we cannot force parents to take better care of their kids? If child obesity is a problem, when do we the people start taking it seriously?
My second hand cigar smoke does harm to nobody. I do not smoke in public areas except at the park during the evening. Not a soul to be found at midnight. I do not smoke on the train or train platform. I do not smoke in the car. I do not smoke in malls or my house. I do not toss butts on the ground. I do smoke in the park where it is prohibited, however. AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO!
Parents that feed their livestock cannot say the same thing. Many over feed their kids a terrible diet and the kid blows up. If child obesity is a problem leading to even more problems in the future, do we not have a responsibility to force a change? No, it is none of our business. We prefer to go after smokers because they are a hated group.
BTW: In Utah, we recently raised the tax on cigars. The new tax is 86% of the retail cost of the product. How is that fair? People will stop smoking them and that will reduce the amount of revenue. If they leave it alone, people will smoke more and the state will get more income.
Perhaps we need to ban everything.
i dont think we can stop people from doing things .. that is the right of each person to pursue what they like.... for happiness. as long as they do not harm others. constitutional rights and all that...
people who want to smoke.. that is their right.
people that eat fatty foods.. that is their right.
if they want to give fatty foods to their kids.. because they believe they are showing them love.. eat good ... again their right (i agree it is wrong).
people can risk their lives with dangerous sports..
people can risk their kids lives teaching them dangerous sports...
we do have the duty to stop people from making harmful things..
we need to:
reduce the brain washing to make smoking look so sexy..
reduce the production of fat and bad foods...
reduce the consumption of resources...
reduce the negative effect to nature...
reduce the unhealthy lifestyle...promote better living.
people who want to smoke.. that is their right.
people that eat fatty foods.. that is their right.
if they want to give fatty foods to their kids.. because they believe they are showing them love.. eat good ... again their right (i agree it is wrong).
people can risk their lives with dangerous sports..
people can risk their kids lives teaching them dangerous sports...
we do have the duty to stop people from making harmful things..
we need to:
reduce the brain washing to make smoking look so sexy..
reduce the production of fat and bad foods...
reduce the consumption of resources...
reduce the negative effect to nature...
reduce the unhealthy lifestyle...promote better living.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
If you are a smoker and want to die because of smoking, fine, go ahead. What I don't like is how smokers selfishly smoke anywhere if those places don't have smoking prohibition. I don't give a green monkey flying ass if they kill themselves from lung cancer or any other disease resulting from smoking. I don't want to die from lung cancer or any other disease resulting from being around smokers. I chose to live a healthy smoke free life, and should not be punish for from other people's selfishness and stupidity. Ironically, second hand smoke is much more toxic to a non smoker than the smoker inhaling that smoke.
Remember that the USA has a population size 10 times that of Canada
Several years ago, the EPA released a mammoth EPA report about the dangers of smoking. Something like 1,000 pages long. It went into great detail about the history of how it impacts health, the chemicals in the plants, additives, making them safer by adding adjuncts to the paper so they go out, on and on.
At the end of the report, the EPA said that there was no conclusive proof that second hand smoke represented a serious threat. Many such studies have been called into question. Most people that complain about the risks and dangers second-hand smoke represents have not studied the evidence.
That said, I hate some smokers and their often reckless disregard for my personal atmosphere. Cigs can really stink a place up. I DO NOT allow them in my home, my car and I'll like go bat crap crazy if I see a smoker toss a butt.
My biggest objection to this issue is laws are passed based upon evidence that does not exist. I also hate that the government can prevent you from smoking on your property. If nobody objects (workers for example) then who's business is it if a business owner has no problems with allowing smokers in an attached smoking room?
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Very sensible view.
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
Here in lies the problem, there has never been one case of second-hand smoke cancer or any other major illness ever reported by any physician. This is more of a "comfort" issue, and yes smokers should be respectful of non-smokers but the reverse is just as true.
You have also hit on my other big issue with this, Mesa AZ and other places have enacted laws that ban smoking anywhere except inside your car or home, you can't even smoke in your own backyard! That is police-state level enforcement and needs to be stopped, it is more stripping of our liberties and it will only get worse if we allow the government (local, state or federal) to continue with policies such as this.
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Dark Jedi
Guest
Just do like that one commercial where a mom and teenage son riding in a car. Mom is smoking in the car. As soon as the kid gets out he let's a huge fart and closes the door.
I for one say smoke in your home and car and if you have kids. Outlaw smoking around kids in enclosed areas. I have asthma and I don't need you smoking around me causing my asthma to flair up. These same people who cries about not being able to smoke in public areas. Are the same people that sues for getting lung cancer. All they do is complain about everything.
I for one say smoke in your home and car and if you have kids. Outlaw smoking around kids in enclosed areas. I have asthma and I don't need you smoking around me causing my asthma to flair up. These same people who cries about not being able to smoke in public areas. Are the same people that sues for getting lung cancer. All they do is complain about everything.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
One could argue that perhaps you need to find another place to stand and if I am smoking in a private building, you should take your kids and vacate.
Smiley.
One could argue that smokers can be inconsiderate so lets ban them all. Once could also argue that fatty foods are bad for kids (if you believe the BS) so lets remove your kids until you can get to a parenting class featuring proper diets. No salt; it was banned in NYC. I think. No transfats, lawn darts, and if you are pulled over for driving without a child approved seat, we take you kids away until you learn how to be safe.
Smiley.
One could argue that women with perfume should be banned. People that stink should be banned from the library.
As for me, I just like to argue so I need to be banned. And as soon as these bans based on little evidence are enacted, everyone is cool with them until they apply to your particular addiction. I hate the smell of second hand fryer grease and strong perfume so lets ban ban ban.
I'll go and have a cigar and contemplate banning myself from public.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
It is not child abuse and it is none of your bloody business. Smiley. That is what you will often be told by parents that raise these monstrous little butterballs. Ever tell a parent to control his or her kids? Often leads to trouble.
Kids are hard to raise these days. But as soon as you interfere, you are the bad person. I know, I am the cranky old man sitting on his porch yelling at these monsters. I am a stereotype to be sure.
At the restaurant on Friday night..note the complementary Chunghwa.
NO children where present.
At the western junkfood restaurants(McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, Dunkin' Donuts, Dairy Queen, etc.) they do have no smoking rules, which are obeyed most of the time.
NO children where present.
At the western junkfood restaurants(McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, Dunkin' Donuts, Dairy Queen, etc.) they do have no smoking rules, which are obeyed most of the time.
Gmash
Extreme Android User
Just because I may think it is child abuse doesn't mean I want to outlaw fat kids lol. As long as they stay off of my lawn it's not my problem.
Mayhem
Android Expert
Ex-smoker here. I personally have no problem either way - unless it involves my wife or kids. The wife (an ex-smoker herself) has allergies to the smoke and I don't want my kids around it. Even when I smoked I did so away from non-smokers.
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As ar as some people /needing/ nicotine - some people with schizophrenia use it for medicinal reasons. Peep Schizophrenia.com - Nicotine and Schizophrenia Prevention
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I'm not gone on the whole fat-tax idea myself. I'm personally very skinny. This is the result of a fast metabolism rather then healthy eating habbits. I do exercise regularly, but that does not negate much off the calories I'd consume. Other people on the other hand, can eat 2500 calories a day, and exercise 7 hours a week, yet will struggle to keep their weight down.
Of course the issue of muscle and bone density etc is important too, these things can have a large bearing on weight. How many skinny people with high body fat do you know? Or larger people with lower body fat percentages. Its all quite dodgy.
Of course the issue of muscle and bone density etc is important too, these things can have a large bearing on weight. How many skinny people with high body fat do you know? Or larger people with lower body fat percentages. Its all quite dodgy.
A lot of fatties usually turn out to spend the whole day constantly eating small things. Then seem to think that if they have a salad and diet coke as a meal slotted in somewhere between the 50 packets of crisps that they are 'dieting'
maybe .. it is a catch 22 situation for some heavy / fat people.
their metabalism makes it hard for them to be thin.. and once fat. the fat makes it harder and harder for them to do much physical activities and/or embarrassed to be out trying to be active. so then fall even more into a bad situation.
in my family... one sister is always working hard to keep in shape. while the other does nothing and stays in shape.
their metabalism makes it hard for them to be thin.. and once fat. the fat makes it harder and harder for them to do much physical activities and/or embarrassed to be out trying to be active. so then fall even more into a bad situation.
in my family... one sister is always working hard to keep in shape. while the other does nothing and stays in shape.
Roze
Hiding behind a mystery
That's like my sister and I. She doesn't do anything and is quite skinny, even after 2 kids. I am normal, so I need to exercise or watch what I eat.
So, taking the conversation back to public smoking. I have a rant. So on the first, I was waiting for my friends in the bus shelter and a questionable man walks in, smoking. Well, everyone knows that you shouldn't smoke in the bus shelter. I am in one corner and he's in the other. So, I covered my nose with my hand. Well, the SOB decided to cross over to my side and sit right beside me...and he crushed my bag without apologizing. He continues huffing and puffing on his cigarette. I wanted to say something but as he looked very questionable (ie. a druggie or bum), I decided that I didn't want to get into a fight or get rapped, so I left the bus shelter and waited for my friend in the cold.
I shouldn't stereotype but when I encounter people like the questionable man smoking with total disregard to people around him, it reinforced my deep hatred for smokers.
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
Wish I was there, I would have gladly intervened on your behalf!
This incident should not reinforce your hatred for smokers, it should reinforce your hatred for rude jerks. Hating someone because they smoke isn't that far removed from hating someone because of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, tastes (or lack thereof), etc. The situation could have been someone who was playing music too loud, do you hate them because they listen to loud music?
Your statement insinuates that all smokers are the same when there are some very considerate smokers out there. Don't discriminate against the group as a whole for the actions of some. This goes for all groups, even Apple fanboys!
Roze
Hiding behind a mystery
too bad you weren't there, Ed. Would have been able to use a helping hand.
I try not to Stereotype, but it's hard when I meet jerks like that.This incident should not reinforce your hatred for smokers, it should reinforce your hatred for rude jerks. Hating someone because they smoke isn't that far removed from hating someone because of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, tastes (or lack thereof), etc. The situation could have been someone who was playing music too loud, do you hate them because they listen to loud music?
Your statement insinuates that all smokers are the same when there are some very considerate smokers out there. Don't discriminate against the group as a whole for the actions of some. This goes for all groups, even Apple fanboys!
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Because you reach a point where everything is banned and the bars never open.
My objection to the second hand smoke problem is no proof exists that SHS is truly evil. Just irritating, I'll give you that. LAws are enacted these days because of faulty science.
Laws need to be based on serious science not BS propagated by a few people with big mouths. Show me serious science and perhaps I'll get behind a ban. We are, I fear, reaching a point where smoking will be banned everywhere.
For me, I have smoking rules: not in my car and not in my house. I'll smoke at the park next door at three am and if I get a ticket, I'll pay it. I'll light up again when the coppers go away. I refuse to obey that particular rule because it was created on faulty science by people that hate smokers and only I am harmed, if I am harmed, that is.
People that hate one thing enough to get behind a ban will likely not tolerate a ban on their particular vice. For example if you do not feed your children properly, why not take your kids away and give them to parents that give a rats arse? I'll save you the time, because we are not cruel. We are often justified, but few look at that.
cmybliss
Android Enthusiast
My grandfather was a smoker. Lucky Strikes unfiltered. He died of lung cancer when I was 7. That's reason enough for me to hate cigarets.
As for second hand smoke, it gives me a fierce migraine and sets off my daughters allergies. Nothing irritates me more when at a stop light, than some idiot with their smoke hanging out the car window forcing me to smell it! Roll your window up and keep it to your own self. If it smells so bad, even to them, why do they smoke the damn things?
As for second hand smoke, it gives me a fierce migraine and sets off my daughters allergies. Nothing irritates me more when at a stop light, than some idiot with their smoke hanging out the car window forcing me to smell it! Roll your window up and keep it to your own self. If it smells so bad, even to them, why do they smoke the damn things?
Snedd
Well-Known Member
Laws should also be based on what is or isn't socially acceptable. Smoking in public is a lot less socially acceptable than it was 20 years ago, at least in the UK.
!on
Android Expert
I believe smoking in bus shelters is also illegal, as ones near me have signs reminding of this. But I get what you're saying about folks at unsheltered stops. It's not really about ventilation (as there is plenty), it's about the inconsideration of others.
Personally I wouldn't have stopped people smoking to the extent they have; I would have made legislation for ventilation - properly dealing with toxic smoke. I think it's overkill making people stand outside, but fair enough how would you police such a thing? It's easier just to make them stand outside, I guess.
Probably there has not been enough action on smokers if they still feel it's acceptable to smoke close to others. While I don't like the idea of making them out to be lepers, they do need to be told.
I actually hate the people who smoke MJ like it's their god given right - it smells awfull but to them it's like the best thing ever. They don't call it sh_t for nothing! Nowadays if you go clubbing, the lack of smoke means you can smell people. Not so good.