aaron19953
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i'm completely surprised they didn't rename it iMultitask .. Wonder how long before apple tries to patent wallpapers ?? haha
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So now that it's been announced that iPhone OS 4 will include multitasking...
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sooper_droid12
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This is true, some what. Windows 6.5 is true, true multi-tasking. According to Jobs, "They blew it," because there is a task manager. Android isn't too far from that in the implementation of multi-tasking. It's not quite as elegant as WinPho7. I think the best mobile OS that handles multi-tasking is WebOS. The card view is pure genius.
Their multi-tasking must be hard-core because the 3G and 2G are left out in the dust. Even the oldest Android device can multi-task. Shoot, the Palm Pixi can multi-task. I love how Steve said, "There was no decision to make. The devices can't handle it." I was like, "Steve, you made a decision; you chose to opt them out of the experience!"
aaron19953
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sure the devices can handle it, but giving old phones new features won't make them any money
sooper_droid12
Android Expert
Steve Jobs would argue that indeed that is multi-tasking. Slacker would be running the audio API, GMail would be running the push-notification API and navigation would be running the location API.
The question that the post you responded to raises is: How do OS multi-tasking activities accomplished? Or, in each case, how much of an app is actually running in the background. Apple calls it multi-tasking because the main functionality of the app is "running." But I'm not sure, short of WebOS (and truly, WinMo) has any OS found a way to allow an app to be fully running like on a desktop.
Well, that's not necessarily a Flash issue. Apple is basically locking out anything that even touches an Adobe piece of software. These seems very weird to me why Apple would take this to that level if the app generator helps developers make good apps for the iPhone. Stupid in my opinion.
But as far as Flash vs. HTML5, no matter how good HTML5 can get this year, there are just so many things that Flash can do better. It shouldn't be one or the other, but finding an ecosystem that allows the mutual co-existence of the other. I think we can all agree that Flash is good in many ways, but bad in so many ways, due to the abuse and bad utility of Flash by web page designers.
The 3GS GPU is faster than the DROIDs. It won't be crawling anytime soon.
They did rename threaded mail to "Enhanced Mail."
It's not for the old phone. These are things they're going to roll into the next iPhone. But more importantly, what they can roll into the iPhone, they can roll into the iPad, thereby selling more iPads. If you have people on the fence about buying an iPad because it doesn't "multi-task" and there are no "folders," now you got them on the hook with this event. Get it? Now, they sell more iPads. Apple always makes money, make no mistake about that.
aaron19953
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sure when doing 3d graphics.. don't mistake GPU for CPU
tyneusch
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I am in the same boat. I had the iPhone for about a year and thought it was the best thing since peanut butter and jelly. I have been an Apple user for nearly 7 years now and refuse to go to windows BUT the day the Droid came out was the day my cellular allegiances changed as well. The Droid did (and DOES) everything the iPhone didn't (and DOESN'T) well before it could. That's innovation.
As far as the ever rageing war between Apple and Android, I think the battle will lay solely on the which OS gets Flash first. That would make the OS (and the phone) a TRUE iPhone/Android killer. I read an article in the NY Times last night that mentioned AND stated Apple's stance against Adobe and Flash and to be honest, the iPhone will suffer the moment Android and Google decide to brind Adobe on board.
Check this artivle out and then think about what is to come.
A Change at Apple Causes Trouble for Adobe
Really? Well, for one the 3GS does have a 600mhz arm cortex CPU.. my droid has a 550mhz arm cortex CPU. (both are actually faster, but under clocked to these)
As for the GPU, regardless of which has a faster, the iPhones implementation of OpenGL is 3 generations ahead of Android unfortunatly.
tyneusch
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Don't forget that the iPad version that runs on the AT&T network will be released later this year too so they are hopeing that this "Multi-apping" will help sell more to that and further drive business to AT&T. Can pile technology on a crappy Service provider and hope that it helps. AT&T still has a unreliable network.
CRPercodani
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Scooper, when you have multiple posts you would like to reply to please use the little "+ icon next to the quote icon.
aaron19953 - he was commenting to the post saying the iPhone has a slower GPU then the Droid, no one was talking about the CPU. They use a very similar CPU though, both use the Cortex A8 architecture.
I really don't understand everyone's hate or whatever you want to call it for the iPhone. Apple may be a shiesty company but they make some good stuff albeit a bit overpriced sometimes. Really we should all be thanking the iPhone because without it Android wouldn't be what it is today. Sure the iPhone is just now adding some key features and has done this before, but Android is missing some really basic stuff to like voice commands/dialing over BT. The way Apple does stuff is they take their sweet sweet time perfecting things before releasing them, like copy and paste, sure it should have been on the first gen but if they didn't feel it was a good implementation then so be it. Why should it bother all of us? If your not using one then who really cares. But now look at how amazingly well it works, of course the majority of you haven't owned a iPhone so you can't really comment on it. I have and let me say c+p on it is light years ahead of Android, I mean it is so painstaking to use c+p in some apps on the Droid. Now Multi tasking is the next thing, I see it is not "true" MT but really if it does what people need it to do then again who cares right? Heck if it does it in a way that will save battery and keep performance from suffering to a minimal then that sounds pretty good to me.
If you guys really took the time to think about all of this instead of just bashing it then you would realize this is GREAT news for Android and us users especially. Now Google will be thinking of new features and ways to improve old ones. So to all of you (well most of you) instead of just being mindless lemmings and bashing the iPhone like it's the cool thing to do why don't you stop and think about it and if you have something constructive to say then post a reply. If not then just enjoy your hatred for the iPhone via PM with others who share in your enjoyment.
aaron19953 - he was commenting to the post saying the iPhone has a slower GPU then the Droid, no one was talking about the CPU. They use a very similar CPU though, both use the Cortex A8 architecture.
I really don't understand everyone's hate or whatever you want to call it for the iPhone. Apple may be a shiesty company but they make some good stuff albeit a bit overpriced sometimes. Really we should all be thanking the iPhone because without it Android wouldn't be what it is today. Sure the iPhone is just now adding some key features and has done this before, but Android is missing some really basic stuff to like voice commands/dialing over BT. The way Apple does stuff is they take their sweet sweet time perfecting things before releasing them, like copy and paste, sure it should have been on the first gen but if they didn't feel it was a good implementation then so be it. Why should it bother all of us? If your not using one then who really cares. But now look at how amazingly well it works, of course the majority of you haven't owned a iPhone so you can't really comment on it. I have and let me say c+p on it is light years ahead of Android, I mean it is so painstaking to use c+p in some apps on the Droid. Now Multi tasking is the next thing, I see it is not "true" MT but really if it does what people need it to do then again who cares right? Heck if it does it in a way that will save battery and keep performance from suffering to a minimal then that sounds pretty good to me.
If you guys really took the time to think about all of this instead of just bashing it then you would realize this is GREAT news for Android and us users especially. Now Google will be thinking of new features and ways to improve old ones. So to all of you (well most of you) instead of just being mindless lemmings and bashing the iPhone like it's the cool thing to do why don't you stop and think about it and if you have something constructive to say then post a reply. If not then just enjoy your hatred for the iPhone via PM with others who share in your enjoyment.
tyneusch
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I honestly agree with you which is why I posted the comment about Flash. Apple not wanting it anytime soon is POSSIBLY Android's gain. The market will always fluctuate between whos better but that is all determined on what is offered by competitors. So Apple has multi-apping, thats fine so does Droid, however, the next big thing to hit a phone will ultimately lead to its competitors trying (sometimes failing and sometimes winning) to out do them. Its the market and we all, as consumers benefit!
CRPercodani
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I don't know if the iPhone uses OMAP, but either way it definitely isn't OMAP2xxx, and I know for sure the Droid uses the OMAP3430, not any 2xxx series. And further the OMAP is not a CPU, it is a SoC similar to what a motherboard is inside your pc. The actual CPU/Processor is a Crotex A8 in the Droid, same with the iPhone. Droid's is clocked to 550mhz and iPhone's is clocked to 600mhz, although we have been able to OC ours.
Ok, just check and the 3GS uses a Samsung S5PC100 Soc with a Cortex A8 processor. The Sammy SoC is very similar to our Droid's OMAP3430 Soc.
CRPercodani
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Yes, Flash will make a pretty decent impact. I still don't see it swaying any 3Gs or next gen iPhone users though. If they have lived this long without Flash then I imagine they will wait for HTML5 to get going. With the iPad's release a good bit of sites have started using HTML5 so to be compatible with it. This works in our favor also though as I am pretty sure the Android browser can render HTML5 web pages.
sooper_droid12
Android Expert
Last time I checked, both were running ARM Cortex-A8 based chips. The iPhone was running at 600MHz (Droid's @ 550MHz). Both were also running PowerVR SGX GPU, except the iPhone is running the 535 and the Droid is running the 530. So, on BOTH accounts, brother, iPhone has got the Droid beat. The main difference is that the Android OS is lighter than the iPhone OS, so a lot of things seem zipper on the DROID. But, don't YOU mistake that the iPhone is chip-for-chip better than the DROID.
sooper_droid12
Android Expert
THANK YOU!
We got a lot of guys drinking the Android kool-aid. Don't be blind folks. And this is so true about the implementation of GL. Wonder why scrolling is so smooth on the iPhone? It's because iPhone OS actually utilizes the GPU. Meanwhile, Android keeps upping the CPU speed trying to accomplish the same feat and guess what? The 1GHz CPUs still lag and chop on screen scrolling. Can't help it.
CRPercodani
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The other thing that makes the iPhone GPU work better is the smaller resolution. Less pixels to push.
sooper_droid12
Android Expert
My bad, I was just reading through the forum post by post and replying as I read them. I didn't read the entire thread. My memory ain't that great
aaron19953
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DING DING DING, YOU GET THE PRIZE !!
Most people completely forget about that..
for the record, i don't give two shits about good 3d performance.. That's not why i bought a phone.. the android OS was built around multitasking, the iphone is getting it shoehorned in.. Point being i suspect the apps will work better on a platform that was designed for MT in the first place.. just my $.02
CRPercodani
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No problem. I do it myself sometimes, just didn't know if you knew about the multi quote icon.My bad, I was just reading through the forum post by post and replying as I read them. I didn't read the entire thread. My memory ain't that great
aaron19953
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My bad, I was just reading through the forum post by post and replying as I read them. I didn't read the entire thread. My memory ain't that great
must being using iPhone multitasking.. haha, sorry couldn't help it..
CRPercodani
OFWGKTA
In that same sense you would say that any update we get to Android is being "shoehorned" in. So multi touch, lwp, exchange support and the list goes on. A update to a OS is not something being shoehorned in. It is the OS being re built with new features.
Like I said in my original post, the iPhone is an awesome device but it's definitely not for me.
Yes, copy/paste on iPhone is awesome and it really does suck on Android. And iPhone is definitely less "buggy". My Droid is bug-free but this forum is chock-full of threads complaining about bugs. Some of these bugs are because of user-error/ignorance, some are because of faulty 3rd party apps (the price we pay for open development), and some are legitimate bugs.
We're just having a healthy debate discussing the merits of two different devices/OS'. There's nothing wrong with that.
Yes, copy/paste on iPhone is awesome and it really does suck on Android. And iPhone is definitely less "buggy". My Droid is bug-free but this forum is chock-full of threads complaining about bugs. Some of these bugs are because of user-error/ignorance, some are because of faulty 3rd party apps (the price we pay for open development), and some are legitimate bugs.
We're just having a healthy debate discussing the merits of two different devices/OS'. There's nothing wrong with that.
AndroidsOfTara
Android Enthusiast
Android certainly does.
I've used ConnectBot to SSH into a Linux machine and tail a log file at the same time I'm using the browser, listening to music and doing various other things on the phone.
Every time I'd switch back to ConnectBot, I would see that it had been constantly running and tailing the log file.
Android can certainly get laggy when too much stuff is running at once. I do see the benefit in doing it the way Apple & Microsoft are going for typical non-geeky users. They'll get the fastest response from their phones.
However, smartphones are just getting faster and more powerful every couple of months, so I think the full on multitasking of Android is the way to go.
What I didn't know, until I had written my PhD paper on the issue, was that this thread had been moved into the Droid section.
I'm not familiar with you guys here, this was more for the people in the Eris section that constantly pull the "lulz iPhone sukz, lol" and solidify their decision for buying the Eris by putting down the iPhone....which, in reality, means they realized they've bought antiquated technology and are regretting it, much like I am. The phone's fine, but it's no "iPhone killer" like the Droid is dubbed to be. Stating the obvious here, but the Droid is on-par, give or take, with the iPhone. The Eris is not.
When said members bash iPhone and Apple, I'm sure members that just don't care about phones end up having these opinions blazed into their minds. Being ignorant on the subject and then using said opinion makes for a deadly combo of ******ed fanboyism. Which is why I've dubbed this group of members "fansheep" because they follow blindly where Little Bo Beep goes. And yes, we have a Little Bo Beep in the section where he/she has influenced opinions on many things, not just the iPhone.
Another rant. Sorry.
But this iPhone is a good thing. No one in the Eris section saw this. They had deluded themselves into thinking what they had was better. But this is great and I hope Android is scrambling to the drawing boards and planning the next step.
I'll say this. Android "openness" and them letting their guard down on apps and developers and all is great. The devices are great. I love different looking devices sometimes, something the iPhone just looks mundane with having one design with minor color changes. But nothing is more frustrating than a lagging OS. Lag seems to vary amongst users of the same population, i.e. using the same phone, update, etc. but one having more lag than the other. You know what prevents the iPhone from lagging ( and I can attest to this)? It's the fact that it doesn't have true multitasking. People need to understand it's a luxury and a relatively new one at that. It will not be perfect for a while. But if I had the choice of Android 2.1 on the Eris or a 3GS, I would probably go for the less-feature iPhone OS for a bit more stability and speed. Why? Because $500 has saved my Eris from being tossed against a wall due to lag. My first-gen iPod Touch doesn't lag and its hardware is crud too.
I'm giving Apple a look, now, and waiting for this iPhone to be announced for VZW.
I haven't used the Droid or N1 for an extended period of time. But this all changes if they run 2.1 with no flaws, unlike the Eris. I own an Eris, so all my opinions are based relative to it.
EDIT: they edit r-****? Really? I spent a while trying to figure out if I had let the c-word slip or something. Sheesh.
Good reply smacky! I agree with you except for ONE thing. Given the choice between the Nexus/Droid, Droid Eris/HTC Hero, and 3GS I'd take the Droid/Nexus b/c the "openness" of Android is a HUGE deal for me and I'll put up with a little lag to have it (just as long as it isn't persistent/constant lag, which it isn't...my Droid RARELY lags and only does so when a ton of memory intensive apps are open).
