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Socialized health care
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ElasticNinja
Android Expert
if that's the video I think it is, he deliberately went to the worst Province, at the worst time, faking injuries
Not to mention that Province spends about 40% per person what your average US state does
If the Province wasn't running the health care system, there wouldn't be any problems at all. This only goes to prove the potential for failure in a government-run system.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
The Province manages the healthcare system, its not government OWNED like the UK - have you seen the state your healthcare system is in with a massive expenditure?
The Province is the government.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
i know, what i mean is that healthcare is mostly privately provided
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Canada.pdf
Health care supply is far from keeping up with demand in Canada's socialist system.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
probably because they could do with spending a bit more - we are in the worst economic crisis in decades
There system isn't socialist BTW, the UKs or Cuba's would be described as Socialist (both get excellent value)
The US would save hundreds of billions moving to a Universal Single Tier Health Model - States with this get much better value than those without it (Ireland, the US etc)
Of course, a Socialist model is not suitable for the US, the German model would probably be best
The model we have now is best. We are leaders in innovation of health care technologies, mostly because companies have the incentive to innovate and provide high quality care in a nation where it's profitable to do so. Spending more is the last we need in a nation that has $14 trillion in national debt.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
wealthiest country in the world, of course its the leader
Switzerland is a bigger innovated per person, THEY SPEND 60% WHAT THE US DOES PPP ADJUSTED
How would a Universal System cost more? When it has been conclusively proven to cost less for what you get
Switzerland is a bigger innovated per person, THEY SPEND 60% WHAT THE US DOES PPP ADJUSTED
How would a Universal System cost more? When it has been conclusively proven to cost less for what you get
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
The US doesn't have a model actually
It has all Four; Socialist - Military, Canada style - Medicaid, German Style - Medicare, Free For All
If you compare how high taxes are in those countries, you'd see why. I enjoy low taxes.
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Healthcare:
We know what works. We have plenty of experience running the absolute finest healthcare system on planet Earth. It is not rocket science.
What we need is to eliminate fraud and we certainly need Tort Reform. We should allow healthcare providers to work across state lines and remove insurance mandates.
Bob
We know what works. We have plenty of experience running the absolute finest healthcare system on planet Earth. It is not rocket science.
What we need is to eliminate fraud and we certainly need Tort Reform. We should allow healthcare providers to work across state lines and remove insurance mandates.
Bob
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
Please Listen:
These Countries spend about HALF what the US does and get better results
The US "system" is a bureaucratic costly mess
Canada's government(s) actually spend less per person than US government(s)
Their taxes are higher because they keep a balanced budget and like to avoid cyclical policies
You tout are that figure without taking into account how high the taxes are in those countries. It is obviously going to cost less if you are taking in more revenue than they are spending on it in comparison with the United States. I'd rather have lower taxes and better quality health care that I pay for and have earned.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
the taxes arent hugely high - hell they could even be lower than the USs soon enough
The figures I'm using is percentage of GDP - i dont understand what you are talking about
I dont get why you'd want to pay more but each to their own
EDIT: ah this is an idealogical issue for you - lets look at it from an economic standpoint please
Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
How many of you people have actually lived in a country with socialized health care? I don't mean visit... LIVE... as in like 5+ years. It's common to hear about people wanting socialized health care but no one wants US's system. Also, our system is NOT the best according to conflict theorists.
Knewz
Android Expert
How does one go about "earning" healthcare? Do we all not deserve to be healthy? Isn't life apart of the "Declaration of Independence?"
The Declaration of Independence is not law; thus, it has no legal merit.
The Courts have never interpreted any portion of the Constitution to mean that people have the right to health care. You earn health care by purchasing a plan or working and thus earning it through contributing to the workforce.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
yet 40% of Americans have little to no health cover
Are 40% of Americans not trying to contribute to the workforce?
Anyway, you we are just sharing knowledge, hopefully you can learn more
Are 40% of Americans not trying to contribute to the workforce?
Anyway, you we are just sharing knowledge, hopefully you can learn more
We have programs in place for those who are poor. We have Medicaid (or MediCal in my state). We also have Medicare for the elderly and the disabled. Those who are able to work for their health care should do so. You earn it the same way you earn you living: by working for it instead of looking for a handout.
yet 40% of Americans have little to no health cover
Are 40% of Americans not trying to contribute to the workforce?\
Anyway, you we are just sharing knowledge, hopefully you can learn more
There are a significant number of people who could purchase a health care plan, but choose to not to. For many, not having covering was a choice that they made. Why do you think people are so up in arms about the individual mandate? Those who don't qualify for Medicaid or Medicare, but don't want to buy health insurance will be forced to.
Watch the truth come from their own mouths:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ8HMuIdE1o&feature=relmfu
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I bet they choose not to as they are young and can't afford the rediculous prices (can't watch video)
lordofthereef
Android Expert
I can tell you that medicare is basically terrible. My mom is about to retire (age 65), and has been making 25-30k a year (far from wealthy, but still not poor). You know what medicare provides? Essentially hospitalization compensation. Anything more than that is plan B, which you must now pay $114/month for. If you decide not to enroll right away, the price goes up 10% for every year you don't use it until you die. Prescriptions medications are still another plan that must be paid for monthly.
On top of all this, they like to restrict things left and right and be picky about which providers are covered. So, I guess we can say it is provided for the less fortunate, but it isn't very good at all.
I like to joke that my mother made a fantastic investment helping put me through Veterinary school. This way she can actually retire and allow me to take care of her.
So, I say to you, these things that are provided by the government aren't as great as you claim. Getting decent healthcare today really does require you to have the money to spend on it.
I should point out that for a while, plan be was provided for as well, but not any longer (at least not for those without disabilities). Rest assured, if things don't change, by the time you or I (I assume you are a relatively young person) would need to utilize medicare, it will provide even less.
Exactly. An Obama's law will not provide them free health care. It will merely force them to buy a private plan in order to compensate for insurance companies not being allowed to turn people with preexisting conditions.
This is exactly why I oppose a single-payer system. The U.S. government will half-ass it just like they half-ass Medicare. The difference is that so many people will enroll in it because it's free that quality plans from private providers won't be able to compete and we'll all be stuck with rationed care and long waits to see a doctor.