ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I think it should be a state issue too - with guidance from the federal gov. to ensure intercompatibility and out of state cover
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Socialized health care
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copestag
Android Expert
I would definitely agree its a state issue however there are also a lot of concerns that would have to be looked at if it was done on a state level.......
what happens when the dimotard states decide like they always do to screw everything up? then you have a case where people are traveling across state lines to states with better healthcare systems in place...... this puts a strain on the states who do the right thing
what happens when the dimotard states decide like they always do to screw everything up? then you have a case where people are traveling across state lines to states with better healthcare systems in place...... this puts a strain on the states who do the right thing
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
yeah why i really think you would need all the states to put in the same system... as is done in most federal countries - Canada, Germany, Switzerland etc
As i said i feel a socialist system is not workable in the US - even if it is the best system IMO, as its the exact opposite of what you have now
Knewz
Android Expert
Couldn't agree more. It would take decades for America to switch to a more socialist system. Probably take longer to remove all the negative connotations the word "socialism" brings with it (negative according to americans)
Stuntman
Android Expert
I can't say for sure. Perhaps they are open when the regular family doctor is not. As for my father, I think he used it because it was a lot closer than his family doctor. Probably convenience if you don't mind paying.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
I am not sure where you live, but generally speaking if you walk into some clinic and say you want xyz labs/tests done without giving them a reason, they are going to look at you funny. Most insurers also aren't going to just accept that you felt like having tests xyz done without a reason for them. Furthermore, the doctors ordering the tests generally don't get compensated extra for this. People simply don't get testing done, for the most part, unless they are referred. This is all coming from a person who is currently working in the medical industry, both in CA and IA...
If you are paying for your own health care costs, you can have tests done whenever you need them. Of course, nobody just gets tests done for the hell of it, but people with the money to either pay out-of-pocket or get a top-notch health care plan can get tests done much easier. No referrals needed is a feature that health insurance companies offer on their top-tier plans.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
I guess I don't see where you are going with this. It's the same way in countries with socialized healthcare. If you need a test done, it gets done. I am aware no referrals as being part of top-tier plans. I can guarantee you that people that hold these plans are VERY few and far between. Requiring a referral is actual a very good thing for all involved. It helps keep people honest. With most (even basic) plans, you are still allowed and entitled to seeking a second opinion.
JCampbell
Well-Known Member
I'll be honest, i didnt have the attention span to read the two pages of posts... so if this has already been said, I apologize. In my opinion, the federal government should exist for foreign relations, national defense, infrastructure, and minor regulation of business (key word, minor). obviously, taxes/tariffs must be used to fund the government but it would be SMALL. this being said, education would be handled by the states, etc. healthcare would be the responsibility of the individual, but with a lower tax burden, it would be an easier pill to swallow. as far as someone being unemployed, or in a similar situation, that stuff is bad but it happens... everyone would have an equal chance in that we're all born naked and crying, and if someone wants to better themselves, they can. that's just my two cents.
Please, run for President, Senate, Congress, Governor, or ANYTHING! You have my vote!
Stuntman
Android Expert
Even if you choose to pay for the entire cost for various tests, the tests can be done as long as there is enough capacity to handle the additional tests. If there is not enough capacity to handle these extra requests for tests, it would be a disservice to have to bump anyone to actually needed those tests just because someone who may not need them just wants to do them. The referrals for tests are like the triage in hospitals. They ensure that the facilities are used appropriately to provide the service to those who really need them.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
This is exactly what I am saying. It seems there are many assumptions being made in this thread, most of which seem to be untrue, about how socialized healthcare actually works. People here seem to think that socialized healthcare strips the person seeking medical care of choice, which is not at all the case. To some degree, if you are not willing to pay extra out of pocket, it certainly does. BUT... we have that in this country too. It's called medicare, and in many ways it's actually worse.
lordofthereef
Android Expert
This is exactly how we get crappy leaders elected. People wear their hearts on their sleeves and as soon as someone says some things that they agree with they are ready to toss their vote at them without any more questions asked.
Certainly, you may say that you were being sarcastic and I am just over-reacting. This is fair. But plenty I think plenty of people vote EXACTLY the way you described.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
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If you don't understand things like GDP, GNP, etc and dont bother educating yourself (takes an hour at most of Wikipedia reading), then in this day and age you shouldn't have a vote
lordofthereef
Android Expert
Well, in the US once you hit 18, it's your right. That will probably never change.
I still cringe thinking about the 2004 election year and asking my dorm buddies who they were voting for. One of them said "Bush, because I am Republican AND because I know what I am getting into with him already having served four years." What a damn fool. I will make no comment whether I think he voted "correctly", but his reasoning for the vote made me feel like his vote shouldn't count.
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
I hate when people associate themselves with THEIR PARTY when they are not a representative
How will you get change like with
Agreed with the test for only educated people to vote. If you don't, you get people like this voting:
YouTube - Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!
But as lord said, it's probably never going to change.
YouTube - Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!
But as lord said, it's probably never going to change.
Stuntman
Android Expert
"The demise of democracy is the ignorance of the voter." I do not recall who actually said that. I first heard/read it over 20 years ago. We in countries where we get to vote on who our leaders are have always been proud of this right that we have. As I got older, I start to wonder what qualifies voters to really choose our nation's leaders.
I personally have never been in a position where I had to even pick someone to run or manage a small business. How am I even qualified to choose someone to run a city or a country? Yet I get to have a say in who does run my country which I proudly exercised earlier this week.
I personally have never been in a position where I had to even pick someone to run or manage a small business. How am I even qualified to choose someone to run a city or a country? Yet I get to have a say in who does run my country which I proudly exercised earlier this week.
Hi, one of your friendly neighbourhood mods here....
I'm noticing a personal element creeping into some of the responses here, so I want to nip it in the bud before it gets to the infraction stage. Please take care with how you phrase your posts - it's all too easy to cause inadvertent offence. Remember, AF is an international community so be sensitive to others' sensibilities.
I'm noticing a personal element creeping into some of the responses here, so I want to nip it in the bud before it gets to the infraction stage. Please take care with how you phrase your posts - it's all too easy to cause inadvertent offence. Remember, AF is an international community so be sensitive to others' sensibilities.
I was over-reacting to emphasis that I agree with what he said.
Would you prefer that we go back to the literacy tests that we used to have that prevented blacks from voting? Those were a major tool that the Jim Crow South used to oppress blacks. You sound like an extreme reactionary making statements like that.
See this Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965
I said I want tests to prevent uneducated people from voting, not keep black people from voting. This lady clearly had no clue what she was talking about as she thought Obama would change the laws and pay for her gas and mortgage.
I'm well aware what Jim Crow laws are. I'm also Asian, so clearly not racist. Other than the lady in the video coincidentally being black, I have no clue where you got that I'm a racist.
Bottom line, that lady doesn't know her politics and shouldn't be allowed to vote because of that. Not because she's white or black.
Could you please point out where it is unconstitutional? Because it is not in there.
The best huh?
Lets us really look at that?
We spend more money percent vs gdp then any country on healthcare. Let us see what that buys us.
Surely if we have the best healtcare, then we have the longest life expectancy, right? Nope 28th. Right behind beligum, but we are 2 ahead of czech republic!
Infant mortality. Dang 28th again. We are behind cuba, but we got slovaka completely beat out. But we are number 1 in obesity.
Over all, we are 37th place in healthcare, but we spend the most.
So there is the truth, we have the best healthcare system in the world, if you can afford it. If you cant afford 22,000 dollars a year, then you have 37th best healthcare in the world.
Only about 20% of all Americans can afford the 22,000 dollars a year. Most have inadequate healthcare.
Wow where to begin.
Please read the constitution, please?
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.- 14th Amendment.
And there are more people that are not white, that are racist then there are people that are white.
As an asian, you should know how racist can infect any population.
There's a reason why there's an age limit of 18 to vote. People don't feel people are educated enough at younger ages to vote properly. They wanted to prevent people from voting blindly with little to no prior knowledge concerning the issue. The lady in the video clearly had next to no knowledge in the issue, not because she was black, but because she's simply uneducated in politics. The lady in the video is an example of the age barrier is not enough to prevent blind votes.
The way you're trying to spin the 14th on me is that placing a barrier on everyone is unconstitutional. However, that's clearly not the case since there's an age barrier on everyone already in place. An education barrier wouldn't be unconstitutional either.
If you're fine with people blindly voting that have zero knowledge in politics then that's your opinion. Mine is that the restriction equal among everyone, that there must be a test that anyone who wants to vote has to pass to make sure they know simple questions about politics. This test would be placed against everyone.
According to the first amendment I have the right to state my opinion. Oh wait, apparently I never read it.
Also I think the 15th amendment would be more appropriate in the whole "not allowing people to vote based on race, gender, or past condition of servitude". But again, I never read it apparently.
Again, I don't know where you or Freak picked out that I'm a racist from my comments.
Literacy tests were designed to test intelligence as a prerequisite of voting. In fact, many undereducated whites could not vote as well as most blacks. Congress outlawed the use of any form of intelligence test as a requirement to vote because that is a major instrument of an oppressive government that disenfranchises masses of people that it deems unworthy. Your view is very radical and extreme for that reason. I never called you a racist. I was merely pointing out how your proposal is the exact same thing that racists used to do to disenfranchise classes of citizens that they didn't want voting.
You libs keep bringing up the percentage of our budget we spend on health care compared to European nations, yet you completely ignore the fact that taxes in the United States are significantly lower than taxes are in Europe. We could shrink that percentage easily by raising taxes, but I, and many other Americans, do not want that to happen.