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The safe way to determine which apps can be uninstalled is to use Titanium to freeze them. Once frozen, it's as if they aren't there to the system. If everything else works as it should (give it a week or so of decent use) then it should be safe to completely remove. You have to be careful with apps that deal with communication services because you might end up disabling an essential service.
 
Thanks guys. Hey, here is a question. Is there such a thing as a raw copy of android? I mean like a raw copy of windows like you can buy in the store that does not have all the phones manufacturers bloatware attached. Not sure what the correct terminology for such a thing would be if it exist.
 
jungleexplorer said:
Thanks guys. Hey, here is a question. Is there such a thing as a raw copy of android? I mean like a raw copy of windows like you can buy in the store that does not have all the phones manufacturers bloatware attached. Not sure what the correct terminology for such a thing would be if it exist.
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Android is open source and can be downloaded straight from googles repos. In that form it doesn't contain any bloatware
 
Yeah the raw Android from Google does not have the necessary drivers and optimization to work on devices..

Manufacturers need to add stuff for the hardware they make

Then carriers need to add stuff for their network

The closest to raw would be ASOP ROMs..
 
jungleexplorer said:
Now that we are on this subject, what is a Launcher? Is the launcher the thing that determines the interface?
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Yes, its boils down to your home screens and app launcher.

Changing the launcher can change both the look and how you interact with the home screens
 
launcher... it is an app...that you can install.
overlays the homescreen.. with a new skin.

this gives you new look.. and functionality.

you can try one out.. play with it.. change things up.
uninstall it and you are back to the screen you had setup before.
did not loose a thing.

try at least 1 out. they are really great.
 
dan330 said:
launcher... it is an app...that you can install.
overlays the homescreen.. with a new skin.

this gives you new look.. and functionality.

you can try one out.. play with it.. change things up.
uninstall it and you are back to the screen you had setup before.
did not loose a thing.

try at least 1 out. they are really great.
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Thanks. I like the interface on my i727 but I hate the interface on my xperia V. I think sony intentionally did everything the opposite of Samsung just to be spiteful.
 
Back on the subject of roms. Theoretically, if a person started with the stock rom for say, the i727; and then trimed off all the fat down to only the absolute necessities to make the phone fully functional; and then somehow exported that configuration to a rom. What would that rom be called?
 
Don't think there's an official name. It would be a "light" or "debloated" stock ROM I guess.

I used to do that with ROMs on my last phone. I could get CyanogenMod down to about 60-65% of the full ROM size without losing anything I used (which mattered on a device with storage as constrained as the original Desire).
 
jungleexplorer said:
Back on the subject of roms. Theoretically, if a person started with the stock rom for say, the i727; and then trimed off all the fat down to only the absolute necessities to make the phone fully functional; and then somehow exported that configuration to a rom. What would that rom be called?
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Some ROMs are ASOP.. That start out very basic.. ANDROID OS.. NO Google Apps

They include an Aroma installer as part of the installation. Which lets you choose what gets installed from A to Z

Of course this depends on the developer and what they want or like.
The more popular devices gets more developers.. Therefore more choices
 
I have Samsung Ace 3 S7275R mobile phone. I killed all the auto-started programs from the menu of Samsung's application manager and haven't used a third-party app. But when i try to start any program then automatically the process is enabled again from the application manager and will autostart next time i reset phone. How can i use a program temporary without making it autostart on boot again without using an other app?
 
Marios1441 said:
I have Samsung Ace 3 S7275R mobile phone. I killed all the auto-started programs from the menu of Samsung's application manager and haven't used a third-party app. But when i try to start any program then automatically the process is enabled again from the application manager and will autostart next time i reset phone. How can i use a program temporary without making it autostart on boot again without using an other app?
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I am in no way an expert on this subject and came here with the same idea in mind as you. I think the general consensus of the experts on this thread is that there really is only two for sure ways to stop an app from running at start up and consuming memory. One is to uninstall the app and the other is to freeze it using the paid version of Titanium Backup. Most here agree that over memory consumption is not a problem with Android because they feel that Android does a good job of memory management and does not need help. In my personal experience with my i727, I have found that it runs much faster and smoother when the memory is at or below 70% (average). In my experience with my phone, I have found that when memory consumption rises above 80% the phone become sluggish and is prone to freezing up much more often. To keep my phone at or below 70%, so my phone will run smoothly, I have had to uninstall many apps and root my phone to uninstall some preinstalled bloatware.

At this point in time, I do not believe the Android developers feel that it is necessary to give users control over apps that run at startup, so that reduces users to uninstalling (or freezing) apps to keep them from running. As a certified PC technician with 18 years of experience, this lack of user control is irritating to me as I am not fond of being told what I cannot do with the products I own, which is why I hate anything Apple with a passion of indescribable proportions and is why I am in the Android camp for a mobile platform OS. Although I use Windows as my primary OS on PC platform because that is what I am providing tech support for 99.99% of the time, I love the Linux OS for it's power and user control flexibility. When I heard that the Android OS would be based off the Linux kernel, I was very excited as I expected ultimate user control and flexibility. Unfortunately, by the time the greedy paws of commercial enterprise got done with it, it lost a lot of what I love about the PC platform version of Linux. It is still way preferable to Apple though and I feel that with time, those with programming skills will provide more and more ways to bypass the roadblocks that the greedy commercial enterprises have engineered into Android.

This is just my uniformed, non expert opinion. On a side note though, I am really excited about the recent release of the Ubuntu smartphone and am waiting to see where it goes.
 
there really is only two for sure ways to stop an app from running at start up and consuming memory. One is to uninstall the app and the other is to freeze it using the paid version of Titanium Backup
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Not quite true. Depending on the Android version you can "freeze" (disable) an app on the information page for that app if a "DISABLE" button is visible. Settings->Apps will have a "DISABLED" tab if any apps have been disabled/frozen by either method.

I mention this because if available it does not require root access which TB does. I use this method on my bog-standard (ie not rooted) Nexus 4 to disable stuff like the Hindi/Korean/Pinyin keyboards for example.
 
Without going into to much detail, (short on time),my only device is the LG Optimus V. Very low end device with very little memory. I have had this phone for 3 years still with the same battery and 2gb sdcard. Believe me when i tell you i know about phone lagging, freezing up, force closures and so on. But thanks to the great developers on this forum and others, my phone couldn't get much smoother and lag free because of the system tweaks and great roms they have developed. Heck, they got this device running kit-kat for cryin out loud! and fairly stable, tho still under development.

Anyway, before i tweaked my phone, i was using a great little app called Fast Reboot, when your device starts to slow down and lag, just tap Fast Reboot and see the difference in your phone. It's fast and safe to use, give it a try read about it in the playstore .....
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.fastreboot
Give it a try, couldn't hurt! ;-).

EDIT : Forgot to say ...root not required, and even with all the tweaks, i still use Fast Reboot once in awhile.
 
Thanks for the tip on fast reboot. It is good stop gap until we figure out how to gain control over memory hogging apps that android lets run a muck hogging all the memory, bringing our devices to a crawl.
 
jungleexplorer said:
Thanks for the tip on fast reboot. It is good stop gap until we figure out how to gain control over memory hogging apps that android lets run a muck hogging all the memory, bringing our devices to a crawl.
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Your welcome, although fast reboot is just killing apps and processes "which android is supposed to manage so well "i'm not even goin there, it is the only way i have found to keep my device from going so slow that you can't even type without pullin your hair out.

I've had this phone 3 years and tried to let android do its thing, but, on a low end device without root and tweakin the system files and getting rid of the bloatware, i might as well throw this phone out the window!

All i can say is thank God for the great masters of development for this device (most of which have moved on to better devices) but still keep up with their roms and use this device for experiments, which is how they got kit-kat running on this little beast!

I have learned so much in the past couple years about development because of this low end device. Maybe if 3 years ago i could have been able to afford a better device, i wouldn't have learned anything about android development.

The guy i work with has an expensive phone loaded with apps most of which i installed for him because he doesn't even know how to download them from the playstore,, he never deletes any messages or any thing for that matter, or clearing cache files, he just abuses that phone and never has problems with the phone slowing down "lag "or force closures, obviously android is working for him!
Well, i've rambled on enough, to me it seems like the more expensive the device ..... ;-)
 
Yeah Badblue i do agree in a way that you get what you pay for (unless youre willing to do some tinkering under the hood) but i hope thats changing and we'll be able to get a great piece of hardware at a low price that just doesnt have all the software "features" of the high price phones.
Hopefuly the nexus4/5 and the moto G are just the beginning :)
 
badblue1 said:
Your welcome, although fast reboot is just killing apps and processes "which android is supposed to manage so well "i'm not even goin there, it is the only way i have found to keep my device from going so slow that you can't even type without pullin your hair out.
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I have an Optimus V and mine doesn't do that. It has some lag but it's there with empty ram or full ram. And to be fair the V is a device from 2010. Its stock CPU clock speed was 600Mhz with an overclock up to 864Mhz. It's single core processor is doing the best it can.

badblue1 said:
All i can say is thank God for the great masters of development for this device (most of which have moved on to better devices) but still keep up with their roms and use this device for experiments, which is how they got kit-kat running on this little beast!
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I agree. The V's development community is fantastic. I thought it was great just to have some nice gingerbread ROMs.
 
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