The Judeo-Christian Moral Standard

[WAdude]

I know you want company Trollstein, but don't let me rob you of your thunder, especially when you already laid claim to the title:

Your right, I did say that, for the moment, then I gave you the answer to the Paul thing. Didnt I? Even though it was copy pasted, it was true.

Then you were the douchebag, cause you couldnt contradict that. Tada! To easy.

And if nobody has ever called you a douchebag, then please, let me take the time to be the first to notice, You are a douchebag.

 

[mpw]

...I mean, if you are right, then your just gonna die, and thats the end of the story right...

Yup.

...then whats your point in arguing?...

Because I'm right.

...but by perfect definition, atheists have no meaning in life, but to evolve.

I disagree, I don't think I'm even meant to evolve.

I'm content at having no meaning.

What is the meaning to your life? Were you put here with a purpose? Are you here to convert me to your God? To offend people and be abusive? To martyr yourself for your God? To have sex (in the approved fashion only) and procreate, and if so for what purpose?

If your life has meaning, what is it?

My life has no meaning so I can't fail; what about you? or do you believe there is no fail, just a lack of success?

 

[chrisinsocalif]

Its man written, which I accept, but to me it was God who told men to write it. So man written, God spoken.

You dont have to believe that, but I believe it.

The bible is grossly flawed, ambiguous and at times just outright ridiculous. If your God was so smart, he would have created a book human could understand, after all you claim he created us. There are over 35,000 sects of Christianity in the USA which cant agree on what the bible says.
Christianity and similar religions are based on a belief system that has no evidential basis. Its ignorance at its best, blinding yourself to logic. Religion imposes a man made moral structure that is questionable at best. The whole concept is ridiculous.
God is supposedly omnipotent, yes made man flawed. Flawed enough to eat from the tree of knowledge, then God blames man for his flaw in creation. After all, all powerful God created man you would think he would have seen this coming! Seems sadistic, he enjoys to see human suffering to please his own selfish ways, punishing man with pain and suffering. Then exhibiting jealousy and other human emotions, you would think an omnipotent being would exhibit a better behavior than a bratty kid with a power trip.
Then there is the story of the ark, animals, the world flooding...that is just outright ridiculous. So ridiculous, if you believe the story as true, I would be embarrassed to admit it. Also God exhibits awful behavior, killing people by the millions, even innocent women and children(even those who worship him and did nothing wrong) to please his own selfish ways.
Dawkins says it best:
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully."
I am glad God is not real and don't have to live under his celestial dictatorship.

 

[WAdude]

Yup.

Because I'm right.

I disagree, I don't think I'm even meant to evolve.

I'm content at having no meaning.

What is the meaning to your life? Were you put here with a purpose? Are you here to convert me to your God? To offend people and be abusive? To martyr yourself for your God? To have sex (in the approved fashion only) and procreate, and if so for what purpose?

If your life has meaning, what is it?

My life has no meaning so I can't fail; what about you? or do you believe there is no fail, just a lack of success?

My meaning of life is to serve my God. Others might disagree, but just because nobody in your little club of atheist disagree with you, means your automatically right. Because if there is a god, then you are wrong. And you have to put that into the equation, although there is no proof, theres a possibilty. A possibility that you cannot provide a certain answer to, or even odds. Neither can I provide a certain answer, or odds.

Im not trying to convert you, or save you, or whatever. Just letting you know, that there is a possibiltiy. Whether it be my God, or not.

 

[Isthmus]

In all fairness, I will give religion this much, all over the world, religion has been really good at encouraging the development or the preservation of certain sciences. at times when there was little practical use for them, activities such as architecture, math, business (accounting, banking etc.), metallurgy, law, etc. were either preserved or flourished under the sponsorship of religious organizations all over the world. Granted, this was usually done for their benefit and/or in the process of oppressing someone else, but they definitely had a positive influence in their development.

 

[mpw]

Well, what created our Universe doesnt prove there isnt a god (thats if what created our Universe were two Universes), it just proves that now we have an even bigger task of finding out what created those Universes and so on...

The... Part of the trouble with you is you don't even understand the question.

My point was that if proof were found you won't have the capacity to accept it. As I predicted earlier you'll just not be able to accept it as proof and require more and more turtles be shown to you, even though proof is found that the 8th turtle is supported by pasta tied to the 3rd.

...What I mean, is you said that you cant provide proof against God, (that I cant accept), I asked what is the proof I cannot accept?

Figure out how many negatives you think you need to make that make sense, then come back to me... or just see above.

 

[WAdude]

The bible is grossly flawed, ambiguous and at times just outright ridiculous. If your God was so smart, he would have created a book human could understand, after all you claim he created us. There are over 35,000 sects of Christianity in the USA which cant agree on what the bible says.
Christianity and similar religions are based on a belief system that has no evidential basis. Its ignorance at its best, blinding yourself to logic. Religion imposes a man made moral structure that is questionable at best. The whole concept is ridiculous.
God is supposedly omnipotent, yes made man flawed. Flawed enough to eat from the tree of knowledge, then God blames man for his flaw in creation. After all, all powerful God created man you would think he would have seen this coming! Seems sadistic, he enjoys to see human suffering to please his own selfish ways, punishing man with pain and suffering. Then exhibiting jealousy and other human emotions, you would think an omnipotent being would exhibit a better behavior than a bratty kid with a power trip.
Then there is the story of the ark, animals, the world flooding...that is just outright ridiculous. So ridiculous, if you believe the story as true, I would be embarrassed to admit it. Also God exhibits awful behavior, killing people by the millions, even innocent women and children(even those who worship him and did nothing wrong) to please his own selfish ways.
Dawkins says it best:
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully."
I am glad God is not real and don't have to live under his celestial dictatorship.

They cant agree on it just as some people cant agree on what the second ammendment means. Science cant agree that the big bang theory is 100% true.

The word of God, can only be translated by God. We are just men, simple men.

You dont have to belive that. But I do.

 

[WAdude]

The... Part of the trouble with you is you don't even understand the question.

My point was that if proof were found you won't have the capacity to accept it. As I predicted earlier you'll just not be able to accept it as proof and require more and more turtles be shown to you, even though proof is found that the 8th turtle is supported by pasta tied to the 3rd.


Figure out how many negatives you think you need to make that make sense, then come back to me... or just see above.

Yeah, its still supported by objects all the way down, they dont have to be neccessarily turtles, but its still, supported by something all the way down. It must be.

Because the 3rd turtle supporting the 8th, must be supported by something. And so on.

 

[Isthmus]

Your right, I did say that, for the moment, then I gave you the answer to the Paul thing. Didnt I? Even though it was copy pasted, it was true.

Then you were the douchebag, cause you couldnt contradict that. Tada! To easy.

And if nobody has ever called you a douchebag, then please, let me take the time to be the first to notice, You are a douchebag.

sticks and stones little man. I'd rather be an intelligent, educated and well informed douchebag, than a nonsense spouting troll. And by the way, the passage you plaigerized, glossed over several points and was not accurate. not wanting to take the time to reply to something you stole and passed off as your own (a major douchebag move BTW) is not the same as not being able to give a coherent and concise retort.

Now are you going to go back to your bridge or do we need to call the billy-goats?

 

[chrisinsocalif]

They cant agree on it just as some people cant agree on what the second ammendment means. Science cant agree that the big bang theory is 100% true.

The word of God, can only be translated by God. We are just men, simple men.

You dont have to belive that. But I do.

There on huge glaring difference, Science is proven and based on evidence, religion is not. Science does not have all the answer, but at least they require some sort of evidence and a scientific process where religion has a belief, an absolute with no evidence backing any of their claims in any way whatsoever.

"The word of God, can only be translated by God. We are just men, simple men."
So God does not know how to speak to the humans he created where they can understand? That is a really weak cop out. Again, you would think an omnipotent being would know how to talk to the creatures he created where they could understand.

 

[momoceio]

Who ever said life needs a point? Evolution doesn't need a reason to keep on chugging...it just does because that's how things work. There is NO reason in the big scheme of things to life. All value placed on ones life is all man made...my life is no more important than the cockroach that some exterminator just killed. It all makes sense and I have no problem being unimportant to the rest of the Universe because I'm important to my friends, family and loved ones. That's all the reason I need...life is here because it mathematically had to happen somewhere. Stop complicating things.

 

[mpw]

...It must be...

No it mustn't, that isn't true of the physics from the 4th turtle down (although it does make a brief return at the 7th turtle, but that's more than compensated for in 'Keith's 3rd Law of Bollocknese')

Because the 3rd turtle supporting the 8th, must be supported by something...

Not if the pasta is cooked 'al deinte'

 

[Isthmus]

My meaning of life is to serve my God...

where have I heard lines like that before???

 

[WAdude]

There on huge glaring difference, Science is proven and based on evidence, religion is not. Science does not have all the answer, but at least they require some sort of evidence and a scientific process where religion has a belief, an absolute with no evidence backing any of their claims in any way whatsoever.

"The word of God, can only be translated by God. We are just men, simple men."
So God does not know how to speak to the humans he created where they can understand? That is a really weak cop out. Again, you would think an omnipotent being would know how to talk to the creatures he created where they could understand.

But if he talked to us in a way we understand, whats the point of free will? If the word is certain, and we can all agree on it?

 

[WAdude]

where have I heard lines like that before???

I belive God says something about helping you out if he tells you to do something.

 

[mpw]

I belive God says something about helping you out if he tells you to do something.

So you see nothing wrong with people killing 'because God told them to'?

 

[WAdude]

No it mustn't, that isn't true of the physics from the 4th turtle down (although it does make a brief return at the 7th turtle, but that's more than compensated for in 'Keith's 3rd Law of Bollocknese')


Not if the pasta is cooked 'al deinte'

So my torso supports my head, what supports my torso, my feet, what supports my feet, the ground, what supports the earth, the gravity of the sun, what supports the sun, the gravity of the galaxy,etc.

 

[Isthmus]

I belive God says something about helping you out if he tells you to do something.

I guess that makes all the actions pictured in my prior post OK then.

 

[WAdude]

So you see nothing wrong with people killing 'because God told them to'?

If God told them to, he would help out. God does not help a killer out, they die. Is that helping out?

Didnt I say what God tells you to do has a greater meaning?

Did God let Abraham kill his only son? With no reason at all. NO.

 

[WAdude]

I guess that makes all the actions pictured in my prior post OK then.

Stop coming up with bullshit to get me confused to say the wrong thing, so then you can attack me later.

 

[Isthmus]

So my torso supports my head, what supports my torso, my feet, what supports my feet, the ground, what supports the earth, the gravity of the sun, what supports the sun, the gravity of the galaxy,etc.

your concepts are mixed up and you skipped several pieces, but you have alluded to a basic understanding of gravitation. Whats your point? Your points are still not supported by most of your arguments. Trollheim

 

[OrderFromChaos]

Stop coming up with bullshit to get me confused to say the wrong thing, so then you can attack me later.

IMO, you leave yourself open for the retorts and they're not really attacks. Think out your line of thought and any weaknesses in it before posting, so that you can be prepared when you are challenged on them.

 

[chrisinsocalif]

But if he talked to us in a way we understand, whats the point of free will? If the word is certain, and we can all agree on it?

So that is your justification why the book is grossly flawed? Why write a book in the first place if no one can understand it? People still interpret it it their own way, and sometimes in extreme ways. That still does not explain the errors and contradictions in the bible.

Why is it when logical people want proof or evidence of your metaphysical claims, you turn around and start asking us to explain the origins of the universe?
Creationists are the ones making bold claims without any evidence, please present your evidence before you try to dismiss ours.
Science admits they do not have the conclusive answers to the origin of man and looking for explanations based on evidence found in the natural world. Like i said, science has proven itself and the great thing about science....if a theory is found out to be wrong based on new evidence, we can find out the right answer, unlike creationism which has an absolute and trying to find anything that fits their theory, which so far is a fat ZERO. I choose not to blind myself to reason.

 

[WAdude]

So that is your justification why the book is grossly flawed? Why write a book in the first place if no one can understand it? People still interpret it it their own way, and sometimes in extreme ways. That still does not explain the errors and contradictions in the bible.

Why is it when logical people want proof or evidence of your metaphysical claims, you turn around and start asking us to explain the origins of the universe?
Creationists are the ones making bold claims without any evidence, please present your evidence before you try to dismiss ours.
Science admits they do not have the conclusive answers to the origin of man and looking for explanations based on evidence found in the natural world. Like i said, science has proven itself and the great thing about science....if a theory is found out to be wrong based on new evidence, we can find out the right answer, unlike creationism which has an absolute and trying to find anything that fits their theory, which so far is a fat ZERO. I choose not to blind myself to reason.

So there is no reason for the bible, just some guy that wanted a laugh out of it. Why not the same with science, cant a guy make some BS up, then get poeple like you to put some thought to it, and make up practices, like observing, and recording. To you science is a serious matter, to me the bible is a serious matter. But if one is BS, why not the other? Because there is proof, proof to you is numbes, logic, reasoning, proof to me is faith, and believing. Neither agree with each other. One has been here longer than the other. Why cant ghosts just be, well, ****ing with our heads.

 

[tommy_ed]

If God told them to, he would help out. God does not help a killer out, they die. Is that helping out?

Didnt I say what God tells you to do has a greater meaning?

Did God let Abraham kill his only son? With no reason at all. NO.

what greater meaning was there for the attacks on 9/11? god told them to do that right? And I don't think god helped anyone out there? what about waco?

Stop coming up with bullshit to get me confused to say the wrong thing, so then you can attack me later.

HAHAHAHA but it's soooooo easy!!!! and the best part is, we don't even "come up with bullshit", we simply state theories that involve logical and factual evidence that oppose your theory, which was written by a few guys a long time ago stating something they say they saw. Which by the way, as i mentioned in the other thread, NOT ONE historian from the time period mentions. Seems like all that magic would be worth writing down.

Speaking of the other thread, I'm still waiting for a respose over there!