ZDroid1
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You'll have to back your claim with something. I'm not the self-loathing one calling myself a filthy rag deserving ETERNAL suffering. Christianity is a psychological disease of people who hate themselves.
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The Judeo-Christian Moral Standard
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You'll have to back your claim with something. I'm not the self-loathing one calling myself a filthy rag deserving ETERNAL suffering. Christianity is a psychological disease of people who hate themselves.
BingoRingo
Android Enthusiast
And the worst part is that what you just wrote is what makes the most sense in this religion.
FSM is truth. Ramen!
WAdude
Android Enthusiast
Go tell that to the millions of Christians out there, theyd probably kick your ass. How are you so sure Christianity is a "disease"? The fact that you cant accept the reality that there are things that are far more greater than your petty life is your own disease. We at no point said, "We are all filthy rags deserving eternal suffering". That said, your point is worthless, you cannot win an argument with an omniscient being, you are saying it is immoral and wrong to kill your son if a god told you to, like WTF, even when a greater being shows himself to you, you would not be obedient of him, instead argue with him that it is immoral to kill your son. Really FUKING POINTLESS, its an all mighty being telling you to do something, you DO it no questions asked, especially if he showed proof of himself to you and says he will back you up. You might as well put a gun to your head and say, "fuk me in the ass". There is no reason as to why argue with a greater being, GREATER BEING. Get it, GREATER. Like really, its pointless.
ZDroid1
Android Enthusiast
I noticed you used the words "greater being" and "petty life" a lot. So Christian morality is based on the idea of might makes right. OK, thanks for the clarification.
WAdude
Android Enthusiast
I noticed you used the words "greater being" and "petty life" a lot. So Christian morality is based on the idea of might makes right. OK, thanks for the clarification.
So you would still argue with God if he came to you and told you to kill your son in order to prove your faith and obedience in him? Youd argue because you think years and years of evolution have developed the human mind to know the diffrence between right and wrong, and because social laws prohibit you from killing, and your morals too. Youd place all that stuff before God, even if he presented himself to you. All I have to say is Holy ****ing Shit, that is just really, to the 8th power, stupid and pathetic. You still do not understand what omniscient means, it means all knowing. YOU are NOT all knowing, he is all knowing, YOU are not a GOD, he is a GOD, YOU are NOT perfect, he is PERFECT. Like, do you see yourself as a god, or are you just a smartass, cause really man. You have to think he is all knowing, maybe he knows what he is doing. Your like my mom, she argues with the doctor thinking she knows more.
WAdude
Android Enthusiast
Honestly, I think its cause even if he knew before that Abraham was going to obey him, it had to happen for real so it could, well, happen. Like lets say you knew Bob was going to say "I like men", before he said it, itd have to happen to be true. (I apologize for my shitty explanation)
Crude
Android Expert
Start by looking at your shoulder. Next observe the chip resting there. Now using your index finger and thumb grab it gently. The chip should now be placed any where but on a shoulder. This will prevent some one from accidentally or purposely knocking it off. Now enjoy the your life.
Oh and Obama sucks.
Oh and Obama sucks.
hakr100
Android Expert
Religion -all religion- is underpinned by superstition, attempts to control people, ignorance, and an attempt to explain the inexplicable.
I suppose if I were an early man, not very evolved, confused, overwhelmed by nature, et cetera, and I had eaten some strange mushrooms or cactus, I, too, might claim to have heard the voice of "the creator."
I wouldn't, he can prove himself to me, I still wouldn't kill my kids on his instruction, and I'll take him on if he tries to hurt them.
Because it'd be wrong.
If he was all knowing, he'd know I wouldn't hurt my kids, so why would he ask me to? Seems like this god chap is an arrogant twat that is looking for an argument and to start a fight he thinks he can win easily; sounds like a coward and a bully.
I voz only obaying zee orders of zee voices in mien head!'
WAdude
Android Enthusiast
Did you read the story? God did not allow Isacc to die, and even if Abraham killed Isacc, God would have brought him back to life because the test was to see if Abraham had both faith and obedience. And you have to see the parallels of Isacc and Abraham, and God and Jesus, where Jesus, also was sacrificed on a hill (some say the same hill) and Jesus was brought back to life, his spirit ofcourse. You have to understand, God did not want Isacc killed for Gods own pleasure, it had reason behind it. Just look at what Abraham did.
Not only was Abraham's faith being tested, Isaac's was being tested too. And both displayed exemplary faith. But suppose God allowed Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and he then subsequently resurrected Isaac from the dead? How would that be looked upon by Sarah, by the rest of Abraham's household? Even if they never learned of it, all the angels were watching and they would know. How would that look to them? What would they think of God? They certainly could understand the test. After all, they themselves had witnessed the apostasy of several of their own brothers (who forsook their proper heavenly dwelling place to cohabitate with women). But really, what would be the point in sacrificing a human? Certainly it would not provide a propitiatory sacrifice (humans are imperfect). True, God had resurrected a few people using prophets to carry it out. But this was a very rare thing, certainly not something to be counted on. Moreover, if God had resurrected Isaac and it became known, how would that affect people in the future? Would they not expect divine intervention when tested? Perhaps they would say to themselves "God resurrected Isaac. I can do this. God's got my back. He'll resurrect me too." And that of course, is no test at all.
"mpw, your a douchebaaaaaaaaag, ahhhhhhhh, there is a voice in your head, aahhhhhhhhhh"
, if God were to let you know he was there, he would come before you, as he did with most people he came before. But hey, you probably do have voices in your head, I dont doubt the deep shit in your head.This gets better and better, what else, are you gonna shove your shoe up his ass till his breath smells like shoepolish? Then your gonna upercut him right, you have to do that. After you kick his ass, your gonna teabag him, I mean, if youve gotten this far, theres no reason as to why you should not teabag him. Then, you want him to give you a billion dollars, and a ticket to heaven, I mean, this just gets better and better and better. So fuking good, that you also want him to apologize right?
Seriously, are you ok? Cause now you seem like you want to kill God. You have some deep thoughts in your head dont you, I mean, I bet that your one of those people that put some thought to everything, then rate your lives on the scale of 1-10. If a god told you to kill your son, what makes you think that there isnt a greater reason as to why he wants you to.
Goo'day ole' chap!
Isthmus
Android Expert
Just scanned this entire tread and here is the only post in the entire thing That I felt addressed christianity from an accurate historical point:
Indeed this is a fact. If the bible is to be believed, Jesus never set out to build a new religion, but instead preached a certain amount of reform of his own. reform not so much in belief, but in some of the practices that had become ingrained. Obviously his teachings resonated with many, but so did the teachings of other rabbis of the time. what made Christianity stick wasn't Jesus, it was Paul. Paul was a roman Jewish priest who's job had him prosecute those who the religious establishment felt went against them. This included, but was not exclusively jesus followers. At some point and for some reason paul had a change of heart. and decided that Jesus teachings were right and that the jewish establishment was due for some reforms. Although he never met jesus he ingratiated himself to the apostles and went about preaching his version of jesus teachings (teachings that often put him in direct conflict with the apostles themselves). over time PAUL changed the teachings and jewish religious law and adapted them to circumstance. he also created many of the definitions of what certain teachings meant, that are often attributed erroneously to jesus. it was paul who created a new religion and to a degree defined it. The fact that he was a roman citizen allowed him to travel widely and easily (unlike the other apostles). He was also formally educated and spoke several languages, which gave him different points of view and access the other apostles simply didn't have. It was paul's ideology that was a revolutionary way of thinking that resonated with many in the roman empire. Even so, as the religion grew, it naturally began to become distinctly different depending of location. It wasn't until almost 300 years later that the emperor Constantine decided to coopt Christianity and make it the official religion of the empire, and then codified it to his needs and likes. The funny thing is that he simply worked the state religion into already existing bodies and practices (where do you think the dates for several feasts, some customs and the basic organization of the church come from?). the funny thing is that today so many make the fallacy of not questioning whose ideas were what, or who created what book (or how). Instead they take books like the bible and read them literally without taking into account the very real history that led to their creation, or the intention behind those who originally espoused the philosophy.
If anything Christianity should really be called Paulism. But don't get me started on that.
Indeed this is a fact. If the bible is to be believed, Jesus never set out to build a new religion, but instead preached a certain amount of reform of his own. reform not so much in belief, but in some of the practices that had become ingrained. Obviously his teachings resonated with many, but so did the teachings of other rabbis of the time. what made Christianity stick wasn't Jesus, it was Paul. Paul was a roman Jewish priest who's job had him prosecute those who the religious establishment felt went against them. This included, but was not exclusively jesus followers. At some point and for some reason paul had a change of heart. and decided that Jesus teachings were right and that the jewish establishment was due for some reforms. Although he never met jesus he ingratiated himself to the apostles and went about preaching his version of jesus teachings (teachings that often put him in direct conflict with the apostles themselves). over time PAUL changed the teachings and jewish religious law and adapted them to circumstance. he also created many of the definitions of what certain teachings meant, that are often attributed erroneously to jesus. it was paul who created a new religion and to a degree defined it. The fact that he was a roman citizen allowed him to travel widely and easily (unlike the other apostles). He was also formally educated and spoke several languages, which gave him different points of view and access the other apostles simply didn't have. It was paul's ideology that was a revolutionary way of thinking that resonated with many in the roman empire. Even so, as the religion grew, it naturally began to become distinctly different depending of location. It wasn't until almost 300 years later that the emperor Constantine decided to coopt Christianity and make it the official religion of the empire, and then codified it to his needs and likes. The funny thing is that he simply worked the state religion into already existing bodies and practices (where do you think the dates for several feasts, some customs and the basic organization of the church come from?). the funny thing is that today so many make the fallacy of not questioning whose ideas were what, or who created what book (or how). Instead they take books like the bible and read them literally without taking into account the very real history that led to their creation, or the intention behind those who originally espoused the philosophy.
If anything Christianity should really be called Paulism. But don't get me started on that.
WAdude
Android Enthusiast
Your right, he did look to reform his (Judaism). He wasnt called "King of the Jews" for nothin'.
But remember, Paul was one of Christs disciples, thus, it was Christ who taught him. He just spreaded it.
Isthmus
Android Expert
Dude, Please, PLEASE go open a book and try learning a little before making such ludicrous statements.
1. Jesus didn't reform anything. He sought to reform the practices of the jewish religious establishment (not the political one) of the time and ultimately got killed for his troubles. he was not the only reformist rabbi that experienced the same fate, though he is the most remembered one. After his death the religious establishment continued much as it always had, at least until the next time the jews revolted and the romans destroyed them as an independent political/religious entity.
2. First Jesus was never called the king of the Jews. the king of the Jews was Herod. Jesus was technically a descendant of David on jospeh's side, but that didn't make him royal or king (and if you believe in the virgin birth, it technically didn't make him a descendant at all). According to the gospel, those who followed the star to Bethlehem, believed that the star announced the birth of the king of the jews (something Herod didn't care for as he was already king). The only part that I can remember in the bible where anyone refers to him by that title (and then it was king of israel) was when he entered jerusalem during palm sunday and some in the crowd referred to him as the king of israel. that is more allegorical (kind of like someone in a concert yelling "Sing Freebird"), than an actual claim. He certainly never referred to himself as such and nowhere in the scriptures of christianity or islam does it say that he ever attempted or sought out such a title or office.
3. As for Paul, please open the bible you pretend to know so well and read it. Paul never met jesus, let alone be taught by him (though he did claim that the dead jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus - but that was his claim). He made himself an apostle after he decided to follow the teachings of jesus, AFTER JESUS WAS ALREADY DEAD. Even then the apostles did not take kindly to his doing so or coopting their message. It was a while before they came around to his way of doing things and his interpretations.
Before you keep arguing, make sure you research what you're talking about first. Ignorance is not a virtue and knowledge is not a disease.
bigbadwulff
Android Expert
Moral:
Behave yourself !
God created right and wrong so you would have FREE WILL. He gave you the freedom to do what you wish. You have the choice.
He also gives you unlimited love and grace. He will forgive you for what you do IF you acknowledge you have done wrong.
Come clean and ask him for help. But, be prepared for what he sends your way
You may not like it at first but it is in your best interest what he sends. Just stick with it and remember........ I told you so
I have a good friend that sold and did drugs. He didn't get the message until he was sitting in a jail cell. He is now a man of God and is happy for the first time in his life. He has no money but he now has faith and couldn't be happier. He has decided to help young men that are doing what he did in hopes they will get the message before everything caves in around them(which is what it usually takes for us humans to get the message).
Just ask for help and you will get it.
I know it's tough to see that God seems to be a 'bad ass' and doesn't give us a life of luxury. But that is just 'free will' at work. It is what it is.
Behave yourself !
God created right and wrong so you would have FREE WILL. He gave you the freedom to do what you wish. You have the choice.
He also gives you unlimited love and grace. He will forgive you for what you do IF you acknowledge you have done wrong.
Come clean and ask him for help. But, be prepared for what he sends your way
You may not like it at first but it is in your best interest what he sends. Just stick with it and remember........ I told you so I have a good friend that sold and did drugs. He didn't get the message until he was sitting in a jail cell. He is now a man of God and is happy for the first time in his life. He has no money but he now has faith and couldn't be happier. He has decided to help young men that are doing what he did in hopes they will get the message before everything caves in around them(which is what it usually takes for us humans to get the message).
Just ask for help and you will get it.
I know it's tough to see that God seems to be a 'bad ass' and doesn't give us a life of luxury. But that is just 'free will' at work. It is what it is.
ZDroid1
Android Enthusiast
If a voice asks me to kill my own child, I would never do it even if I thought he'd be resurrected because of the remote theoretical possibility that I might be wrong. Furthermore, I would not subject my own child to the fear and pain of the action itself.
I see that that makes me a bad "disobedient" person in the Christian worldview. But I choose hell over a god that tests me by asking me to kill my son.
The story of Abraham reveals that Christians are deep inside a murderous bunch, willing to obey the "voice" to rape and kill, if they believed it was from "God". Do they have a clue how extremist this makes them look like? They're devoid of logic and morals. Whatever the Bible says, as morally bankrupt or scientifically wrong as it may be, they follow.
ZDroid1
Android Enthusiast
ZDroid...you're my new favorite person
Hey thanks. I actually have your blog bookmarked.
WAdude
Android Enthusiast
OK. WOW, what you have just said is the most fuking stupid shit on earth. Do you know what, SHITDAMNASSFUK, means? I dont either, but your stupidity has just tempted me into saying that, cause SHITDAMNASSFUK, you make no sense. So you are saying that if God came to you you would totally think you are right, and he is wrong, AND, the words "remote theoretical possibility" would go through your mind.
Didnt I say that maybe there is a greater reason for him to ask you this? Like, are you just such a little rebel that if god told you to do something you would not do it, because you think your evolved and developed mind is greater than an infinite and all knowing one. Seriously, Im not saying or trying to imply my religion into what you believe, but uhhh.....youve left me with the words What, the, and fuk in my head.
momoceio
Android Expert
I thought the bible was the most "fuking stupid shit on earth"? I agree with ZDroid...yeah if some douche asked me to kill my own son I'd question him without a second thought. I don't care who or what you are...however I'm 100% certain that a god doesn't exist because when I was in grade school I learned that fiction means it's not real.
Isthmus
Android Expert
Interesting how you are so eager to insult and put down others, yet when presented with factual information correcting your own "SHITDAMNASSFUK", you conveniently ignore it.
Try learning a little humility.
BTW, if you are arguing for the bible, then remember that in eating from the tree, man gained the capacity for knowledge. God kicked adam and eve out lest they eat from the tree of life, become immortal and ultimately become like god. That, at least to me, implies that humans have the capacity to learn a great deal, perhaps even as much as god some day. at least god seemed to be concerned by the possibility or at least the potential of what man could or would do with such knowledge coupled with an eternity of life. Knowing what we tend to do with the little knowledge we have and our short time spans, I have to agree that kicking us out was probably a good idea.
there were still no friendly lions or dinosaurs in the garden. that's just silly.
Isthmus
Android Expert
That can of worms was opened a few days ago in the following thread:
Liberals are...smarter!
Enjoy the read.
hakr100
Android Expert
If god came to me, I'd figure it was because of a bit of pot smoke I inhaled second-hand.
I suppose if someone came to me, looked like George Burns, and said he was god, well, I'd probably believe that before i'd believe any of the b,s, pumped out by organized religion.
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