%@#%@ the unions!

[bigbadwulff]

No one has a RIGHT to work. Unions are ruining this country. Look at their behavior. Do you think for one minute if the Tea Party crowd acted like the union types the media would give them a fair shake?
I didn't see the union people out when others were losing their jobs.


Screw the ^#$%#unions!

 

[byteware]

No one has a RIGHT to work. Unions are ruining this country. Look at their behavior. Do you think for one minute if the Tea Party crowd acted like the union types the media would give them a fair shake?
I didn't see the union people out when others were losing their jobs.


Screw the ^#$%#unions!

My personal opinion, if they made unions optional, instead of a requirement for many fields, if they made paying union dues optional, then the unions would lose enough power to balance out their power with that of the company.

When it becomes law that if you want to do something, you have to be a part of the union, then the union becomes to powerful EVERY worker in a company is union, by law, and that union has the company by the balls.

If you make it optional, then they will lose a LOT of power, but it will more balance out. The company still won't be ALL powerful, but neither will the union. They will make reasonable concessions, but not outrageous concessions.

That's my opinion.

 

[JimmyRayBob]

i'm as conservative as anyone, but i think private company unions aren't necessarily bad. At least the company has a vested interest in negotiations. Yes, the union can become TOO powerful, and it's a fine line, but unions have served their purpose - especially 50 - 100 years ago.

Public unions, on the other hand, are a very bad idea. Heck, even FDR opposed public sector unions.

 

[mdram]

i'm as conservative as anyone, but i think private company unions aren't necessarily bad. At least the company has a vested interest in negotiations. Yes, the union can become TOO powerful, and it's a fine line, but unions have served their purpose - especially 50 - 100 years ago.

Public unions, on the other hand, are a very bad idea. Heck, even FDR opposed public sector unions.

the vested interest the private company has is cave to their demands or face massive losses when they strike.
the only real option is having an option to join/pay dues.
why should i pay them when they will give it to the dems come election time? maybe im a republican and dont want that support there

 

[byteware]

the only real option is having an option to join/pay dues.
why should i pay them when they will give it to the dems come election time? maybe im a republican and dont want that support there

actually, no. Many states have made it illegal to work at unionized companies without being part of the union.

So, no... it isn't really an option, but it should be.

It should be an option.

If that WAS an option, then the unions would be far less powerful. They would be unable to FORCE companies to submit to crazy demands.

This is the way things SHOULD be.

 

[AustinTech]

Unions are GREAT! I love unions because they take all the work from the Northern states and move it to where I live, in the South. We now have car plants that manufacture BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, and Kia cars. NONE of which are union shops and still manage to treat their workers very well. Yeah unions! Thanks for driving companies to the South!

Seriously though, we don't need unions anymore. Safety concerns are addressed by other government bodies (OSHA & workers comp) and worker pay is a private matter. Now when workers have problems, they can sue their employer if things get serious. That wasn't always the case. Unions bully employers and employees and ultimately cannibalize an organization.

 

[byteware]

Unions are GREAT! I love unions because they take all the work from the Northern states and move it to where I live, in the South. We now have car plants that manufacture BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, and Kia cars. NONE of which are union shops and still manage to treat their workers very well. Yeah unions! Thanks for driving companies to the South!

Seriously. We are getting car companies all over the place down here.

Another thing... Toyota is consistently staying away from Unions by treating their employees well... you will also notice that they don't pay people they don't have a job for.

Seriously though, we don't need unions anymore. Safety concerns are addressed by other government bodies (OSHA & workers comp) and worker pay is a private matter. Now when workers have problems, they can sue their employer if things get serious. That wasn't always the case. Unions bully employers and employees and ultimately cannibalize an organization.

I think Unions can still serve a purpose... but not with as much power as they have now. Making paying union dues optional, will remove a lot of the power that Unions have, but still allow them to remain around to promote worker wellbeing.

 

[Crude]

Seriously. We are getting car companies all over the place down here.

Another thing... Toyota is consistently staying away from Unions by treating their employees well... you will also notice that they don't pay people they don't have a job for.



I think Unions can still serve a purpose... but not with as much power as they have now. Making paying union dues optional, will remove a lot of the power that Unions have, but still allow them to remain around to promote worker wellbeing.

That's where unions came from. When the company makes record earning each year and the entire board of directors gets raises and huge bonuses each year and the workers are given less then %2 cost of living raises in an economy where inflation is well above %2...you get unions.

By the way, I'm pushing for unions for my company. Not because I like unions...but because there's a chance it will improve my job...and if not I can always leave, sticking my employer with a life long problem....all for not treating the employees like humans.

 

[mdram]

That's where unions came from. When the company makes record earning each year and the entire board of directors gets raises and huge bonuses each year and the workers are given less then %2 cost of living raises in an economy where inflation is well above %2...you get unions.

By the way, I'm pushing for unions for my company. Not because I like unions...but because there's a chance it will improve my job...and if not I can always leave, sticking my employer with a life long problem....all for not treating the employees like humans.

push for it, get it, get laid off due to high cost of workers

 

[Bob Maxey]

i'm as conservative as anyone, but i think private company unions aren't necessarily bad. At least the company has a vested interest in negotiations. Yes, the union can become TOO powerful, and it's a fine line, but unions have served their purpose - especially 50 - 100 years ago.

Public unions, on the other hand, are a very bad idea. Heck, even FDR opposed public sector unions.

There is another way to look at it.

Say I own a company that builds Widgets. We have well paid employees, a management that is friendly toward the union, and a fair union that wants what is best for all. Or as fair as it can be.

What's to say that at some point, unions get greedy and start making demands we/I simply cannot or will not consider? If I make thirty million per year and my workers make 15.00 per hour, some would see that as unfair, so a strike is possible at some point.

And if I make thirty million per year, it is the business of nobody except me, my family, and the IRS. If a worker thinks he or she should make more money, well, they can make the case. If they have a good employment record, and provide value to me and my company, then a raise is always possible.

If a worker is lazy and could care less about growing the company, they can pound sand in the unemployment line.

I think it is time for unions to go away. They are not required because we have laws to protect workers, and a minimum wage required by the government.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

actually, no. Many states have made it illegal to work at unionized companies without being part of the union.

So, no... it isn't really an option, but it should be.

It should be an option.

If that WAS an option, then the unions would be far less powerful. They would be unable to FORCE companies to submit to crazy demands.

This is the way things SHOULD be.

Fortunately, Utah is a right to work state, so us scabs can take that $56.50 per hour wage out of the mouths of the guy that sweeps the floor.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

That's where unions came from. When the company makes record earning each year and the entire board of directors gets raises and huge bonuses each year and the workers are given less then %2 cost of living raises in an economy where inflation is well above %2...you get unions.

By the way, I'm pushing for unions for my company. Not because I like unions...but because there's a chance it will improve my job...and if not I can always leave, sticking my employer with a life long problem....all for not treating the employees like humans.

I think workers should get a cost of living increase. And I think many do but we do not know the financials of most corporations, so we can only guess at who gets what. I do know that even being paid $30.00 or $50.00 per hour with great benefits, some workers will complain that they can't make it.

But I also think a great worker that cares about the company should get more money than a person that does not really care or try.

As for what the Board/CEO/COO gets, that is their business, not yours or mine. I have often thought that many workers get the wage they deserve and a few should actually PAY the company to work there because their performance is none too grand.

Bob Maxey

 

[mdram]

I think workers should get a cost of living increase. And I think many do but we do not know the financials of most corporations, so we can only guess at who gets what. I do know that even being paid $30.00 or $50.00 per hour with great benefits, some workers will complain that they can't make it.

But I also think a great worker that cares about the company should get more money than a person that does not really care or try.

As for what the Board/CEO/COO gets, that is their business, not yours or mine. I have often thought that many workers get the wage they deserve and a few should actually PAY the company to work there because their performance is none too grand.

Bob Maxey

i dont agree with the cost of living increase. many companies dont do this as a norm. raises are based on worker and company performance.
if the economy is down and things are tight raises are often put on hold

 

[byteware]

That's where unions came from. When the company makes record earning each year and the entire board of directors gets raises and huge bonuses each year and the workers are given less then %2 cost of living raises in an economy where inflation is well above %2...you get unions.

By the way, I'm pushing for unions for my company. Not because I like unions...but because there's a chance it will improve my job...and if not I can always leave, sticking my employer with a life long problem....all for not treating the employees like humans.

Sounds like your company can use a good union... hopefully you won't allow your union to suck your company dry and force them to ship your job overseas.

 

[mdram]

Sounds like your company can use a good union... hopefully you won't allow your union to suck your company dry and force them to ship your job overseas.

i forsee them unionizing, striking, and the company moving. at the very least jobs will be cut to make up for the increases in benefits for those they keep.
and all the union cares about is getting the dues. if 25% of the workers get canned they dont care

 

[byteware]

i forsee them unionizing, striking, and the company moving. at the very least jobs will be cut to make up for the increases in benefits for those they keep.
and all the union cares about is getting the dues. if 25% of the workers get canned they dont care

Not all unions are bloodsucking organizations. The problem is the ability of unions to hold more power than the companies they work with, which puts the companies in a bad spot. If you make paying union dues optional, then you can nip that power and allow them to represent their employees, but not have a death grip on the company.

 

[AngryHatter]

No one has a RIGHT to work. Unions are ruining this country. Look at their behavior. Do you think for one minute if the Tea Party crowd acted like the union types the media would give them a fair shake?
I didn't see the union people out when others were losing their jobs.


Screw the ^#$%#unions!

Unions protect workers from crummy management.
Are you an owner?
Then don't complain about an organization trying to protect YOU.

 

[mdram]

who protects good management from crummy unions?

 

[byteware]

Unions protect workers from crummy management.
Are you an owner?
Then don't complain about an organization trying to protect YOU.

Yep... don't complain that UAW protected you so much that if they closed your plant, you could sit in a room and still get paid for another 5 to 10 years.

Don't complain that you may be forced to pay them money.

Don't complain that they may drive your company out of business and "protect" you out of a job.

 

[Crude]

who protects good management from crummy unions?

Employees. Though I don't know if you can describe management as being good. Seems to me that from an employee stand point there is neutral to bad. Neutral being optimal.

My current job cannot go overseas. Perishable goods. I will always have a job. But I don't intend to stay there. At the rate our benefits are being stripped no union will make it a viable place for employment.

Again, I'm not pro union. I am pro fair wages. If there is no profit why should there be raises? If there is profit why should only the top 10% of a company get raises if everyone contributes to the profit? ( and I'm not implying that raises should be equal either ) Which is why public union should not exist....there is never going to be a profit.

 

[byteware]

Employees. Though I don't know if you can describe management as being good. Seems to me that from an employee stand point there is neutral to bad. Neutral being optimal.

My current job cannot go overseas. Perishable goods. I will always have a job. But I don't intend to stay there. At the rate our benefits are being stripped no union will make it a viable place for employment.

Again, I'm not pro union. I am pro fair wages. If there is no profit why should there be raises? If there is profit why should only the top 10% of a company get raises if everyone contributes to the profit? ( and I'm not implying that raises should be equal either ) Which is why public union should not exist....there is never going to be a profit.

I have absolutely GREAT management. My wife will tell you.

So, management can absolutely be good, neutral, or bad.

That being said, Employees don't have the ability to protect management from unions, if the employees are required by law to be part of the union regardless of whether or not the union represents their interests.

If the employees have a choice whether or not to be part of the union, then they CAN protect management.

Employees should have a choice whether or not to join the union.

 

[mdram]

Employees. Though I don't know if you can describe management as being good. Seems to me that from an employee stand point there is neutral to bad. Neutral being optimal.

My current job cannot go overseas. Perishable goods. I will always have a job. But I don't intend to stay there. At the rate our benefits are being stripped no union will make it a viable place for employment.

Again, I'm not pro union. I am pro fair wages. If there is no profit why should there be raises? If there is profit why should only the top 10% of a company get raises if everyone contributes to the profit? ( and I'm not implying that raises should be equal either ) Which is why public union should not exist....there is never going to be a profit.

i would say my management is good
we are not union, yet we have great benefits, decent wages, ect.
there is another company that does what we do in town, they went union a while back, well then they had layoffs, and still trail us in benefits

 

[ElasticNinja]

That's where unions came from. When the company makes record earning each year and the entire board of directors gets raises and huge bonuses each year and the workers are given less then %2 cost of living raises in an economy where inflation is well above %2...you get unions.

By the way, I'm pushing for unions for my company. Not because I like unions...but because there's a chance it will improve my job...and if not I can always leave, sticking my employer with a life long problem....all for not treating the employees like humans.

Crudes account has been hacked!!!!1

 

[Crude]

i would say my management is good
we are not union, yet we have great benefits, decent wages, ect.
there is another company that does what we do in town, they went union a while back, well then they had layoffs, and still trail us in benefits

Long term that seems to be the most typical outcome. My company has 2 other site with my job that are already union. They both have better wages and equal benefits. And both are in areas where cost of living is lower. You should know that I live in a right to work state.


Also regardless of what happens I will not loose my job. I'm #1 in productivity in my position. Any company would love to have me.

 

[Tom Ace]

It's amazing to me how easy it is to get average Americans to turn against things that benefit average Americans.