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Time to JUMP! you drowning Motion rats! ;)

Random05 said:
Would the LG Optimus L9 (I think this is the model) be a good replacement?
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Although the L9 has a larger screen, if you look in detail at all the specs it's an inferior phone to the F3. Older/slower CPU, smaller battery, and no LTE. And it costs more than the F3, probably just because of the screen size.
Unless you absolutely must have the larger screen, the F3 is a much better deal.
 
My Motion runs the stock F firmware, and is rooted, modded, the works. No GPS drop-out, no random reboots; I'll be keeping it long past it's CDMA death as it does so much more than just be a phone.

And are we positive there won't be VoLTE service at the switch-over? The LTE network here is very strong, and I always have LTE signal. If VoLTE makes it, Motion isn't going anywhere.
 
But it WILL be a Wifi only paperweight after the end of next year when they turn off CDMA...

As I first said, if you plan on keeping a Motion running past the beginning of '14, you then get the best deal on it if you use it as long as you can before there are sufficient incentives given to get you to switch to GSM.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
TheAmazingDave said:
My Motion runs the stock F firmware, and is rooted, modded, the works. No GPS drop-out, no random reboots; I'll be keeping it long past it's CDMA death as it does so much more than just be a phone.
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I feel the same way with my Motion. I plan on keeping it as long I can; it is a great little device for WiFi and media.

With my luck though it will probably work fine right up until I stop using it as a phone then it will die! :p
 
OcalaFlGuy said:
But it WILL be a Wifi only paperweight after the end of next year when they turn off CDMA...

As I first said, if you plan on keeping a Motion running past the beginning of '14, you then get the best deal on it if you use it as long as you can before there are sufficient incentives given to get you to switch to GSM.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
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So then, it seems you know for certain that there will be no VoLTE coverage. Mind sharing your data source?

I haven't seen anything solid either way, just a lot of speculation and hearsay.
 
VoLTE is voice over LTE.

Your (and everyone's Metro CDMA) LTE goes away Around the beginning of 2015.

You won't have any LTE to Voice over on then.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
TheAmazingDave said:
So then, it seems you know for certain that there will be no VoLTE coverage. Mind sharing your data source?

I haven't seen anything solid either way, just a lot of speculation and hearsay.
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it will still need cdma/gsm (gsm in this case for the future) for the phone parts to work correctly. ;)
 
So t mobile has absolutely no way of migrating us over? The people who bought expensive metro 4g phones will have them stop working on them? For god sakes, why are they still selling the spirit and anthem?
 
OcalaFlGuy said:
VoLTE is voice over LTE.

Your (and everyone's Metro CDMA) LTE goes away Around the beginning of 2015.

You won't have any LTE to Voice over on then.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
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That doesn't make sense to me. LTE is LTE, it doesn't have anything to do with GSM or CDMA. Unless the LTE spectrum the phone is tuned for is changing frequency... Then I understand.

PlayfulGod said:
it will still need cdma/gsm (gsm in this case for the future) for the phone parts to work correctly. ;)
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So that makes more sense. I would think that, using VoLTE, the control signals would still be sent over the LTE radio. I guess not...
 
TheAmazingDave said:
That doesn't make sense to me. LTE is LTE, it doesn't have anything to do with GSM or CDMA. Unless the LTE spectrum the phone is tuned for is changing frequency... Then I understand.


So that makes more sense. I would think that, using VoLTE, the control signals would still be sent over the LTE radio. I guess not...
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It states LTE is backwards compatible with GSM, also, the S4 chip has world phone capabilities I've heard, and! Metro is still selling galaxy s3, anthem and spirit. So maybe they might find a way to migrate us over?
 
Isn't Metro's LTE CDMA? If not then what is it? The CDMA radio on the Metro phones won'work when they flip the DIE switch on CDMA the beginning of '15. That date for that has been well publicized.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
LTE is its own technology.

It, in and of itself, is not dependent on any CDMA or GSM network backbone.

It is its own entity. AFAIK.

The LTE radio, unless tuned to a specific frequency which will dissappear (or at least no longer broadcast LTE signal) when the "switch is flipped," will continue to operate when CDMA signal is not available.

I don't see why LTE can't transmit the control signals as well, but VoLTE is very new to me.
 
Fox Mulder said:
Although the L9 has a larger screen, if you look in detail at all the specs it's an inferior phone to the F3. Older/slower CPU, smaller battery, and no LTE. And it costs more than the F3, probably just because of the screen size.
Unless you absolutely must have the larger screen, the F3 is a much better deal.
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According to Metro, it has 4G. EDIT: Nevermind. It says "4G" not "4G LTE." Whatever that means.

The F3 also just says "4G."
 
The L9 also has an unlocked BL and Bob developing CM for the phone as he owns one. I bought mine for $119.
 
2 way different techs, CDMA for metro is 1x and EvDO and then LTE is based off tech thats like on the other side of the phone transmition tech realm, a distant cousin of HSPA and such

Long story short when they say theyre turning off CDMA it would only be 1x & EvDO unless said otherwise
Like if you put your phone into LTE mode only you still get a LTE signal with full data but force CDMA only no LTE for you
 
koolsk8ter111 said:
So bottom line. If they decide to roll out VoLTE, then we can hold on to our motions?
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It depends, I don't know enough about Voice over LTE to answer that confidently.

1. The Motion 4g posesses the hardware capability to transmit voice calls over LTE signal.

2. Metro PCS has already dabbled with VoLTE in some markets

3. If controlling Voice over LTE requires a separate underlying network (which seems asinine but entirely possible; this is where my knowledge lacks) such as using the CDMA radio for control signals, then we will still be dead in the water since we only have LTE and CDMA radios. I see no reason, however, that the phone would not be able to transmit control signals over LTE.

4. Finally, actually implementing VoLTE requires T-Mo/Metro to enable the protocols on the network, and will likely require a firmware update/mod to the device to tell it which radio to send its control signals over, which by default, is probably set to CDMA

Dave's two cents...
 
Peep:

Voice-over-LTE won't take off until 2015, will have to compete with telephony apps - Computerworld

"Voice-over-LTE won't take off until 2015, will have to compete with telephony apps"

Time line fitting, no?...

More interesting is this small line;

"CSFB allows smartphones to turn off their GSM or 3G radios to save battery while the 4G network is in use for Internet browsing, turning them on again to receive an incoming call when notification is received over the 4G network."

Which says, quite clearly, that LTE can transmit control signals.

There is hope, no need to Jump! ship yet unless you're only concerned about resale.
 
Gman9831 said:
Long story short when they say theyre turning off CDMA it would only be 1x & EvDO unless said otherwise
Like if you put your phone into LTE mode only you still get a LTE signal with full data but force CDMA only no LTE for you
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The way you have this worded makes it so confusing as to be nearly incomprehensible.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
Can someone tell me how I can enable VoLTE right now? If I turn off my CDMA, all I get is this stupid blinking triangle and it says I lost all bars. However, it shows 4g icon and the data works.
 
Here's some further pertinent data:

Ask TmoNews: What Does The MetroPCS Merger Mean For Me? | TmoNewsTmoNews

"The deal will begin with T-Mobile and MetroPCS continuing with a “business as usual” approach, By the end of this year, T-Mobile expects to have 200 million pops covered with their LTE network. Once T-Mobile and MetroPCS join and remain two separate entities, both the T-Mobile name and MetroPCS name will still exist. It has been suggested that they make take a Sprint/Virgin Mobile approach with T-Mobile becoming the contract and B2B focused branch, with no-contract subscribers under the MetroPCS brand. Neither company has commented on whether or not something like this is a real possibility."

"Once we move into 2014 and 2015, the deal becomes a little more fruitful as the combined company begins to join networks. T-Mobile can use MetroPCS spectrum to expand their LTE footprint as both companies have released their LTE network on the AWS 1700MHz band. With MetroPCS spectrum in various cities, T-Mobile can expand their LTE capacity allowing for more speed and better coverage by building on Metro’s existing LTE network."

"It’s when we get to 2015 that we see the really great spectrum play with T-Mobile and MetroPCS as both companies highlighted some 20
 
OcalaFlGuy said:
The way you have this worded makes it so confusing as to be nearly incomprehensible.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
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When they turn off CDMA they'll only be turning off 1x & EvDO unless they say otherwise that theyre shutting down metro LTE

And just to show theyre not dependent on each other if you force turn off CDMA you'll still get full working LTE
 
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